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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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**Please note the various types which existed early on!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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the topline on Minting would make an interesting example! of what exactly...I'm not sure

Steve, I have an idea...what would you say to starting a webpage....Mastiffs Then and Now....something that a person could go to, type in a mastiff's name and they would get a picture, pedigree, testing, progeny, whatever info is available....kind of like an online scrapbook. I know it would be a lot of work, but you have such a good start


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Great idea Mitzi!

How bout I keep putting up the pictures and then you can collate them and re-post them in that new site you mentioned?...LOL

 

Seriously, there are lots of things I'd like to see done, but time is a commodity that is in short supply!

 

I'd like to see that mastiff pedigree site back up and running again. I don't understand why it went down. Does anyone know why?

 

 


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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haha Steve...I'm an art major! If I collated...it would be by color!

It drives my sons crazy when they're talking about a football team, and I say 'Well, I like the color of their jerseys, so I pick them to win! LOL


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Mitzi,

 

My daughter has her masters in art from SVA and I also am involved in 19th & 20th century American art.

 

"Small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it!"......Steven Wright


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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CH.Gulf Mills Mulcher

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Mulcher has always been one of my favorites! I would like to own one excatly like him..


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Angie feels that he has a "shoebox" head!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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(exactly two hundred years before I was born!) This helps with my jumbled thoughts on acceptable outcrossing to save the mastiff and why I don't mind the bull in the mix but find the dane irksome.
bulldogs and mastiffs have been in the same geographical space, even better yet AN ISLAND!!! together for ever and the English crossing of the two breeds came naturally I am sure and produced the bull and mastiff long before the bullmastiff and probably the Mastiff was recognized as it's own breed and the 60/40 ratio worked out for the bullmastiff. A dogue is a french bull and mastiff, maybe with a different ratio but I don’t know.
So here we see the obvious influence of the bulldog in today’s mastiffs (bulldogs were very much taller then today, more like american bulldogs of today).
SO!!!!! Can you help a guy out Mr. Bulldog? I think I’ve been bred with too many skinny dames – they’ve used me to build themselves and look what it has done to me in exchange. Sure said the Mr. Bulldog or maybe even Mr. Bull and Mastiff dog ‘take my blood to make yourself better, after all I must already have some of your old blood in me still and if in a hundred years or so I can redo the favor just let me know and I'm there for you?

****like I said my thoughts are jumbled and not too academic at the moment***


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The Dogue de Bordeaux was known in France as early as the fourteenth century. Dog fighting was popular in the nineteenth century, particularly in southern France in the region around Bordeaux. Hence, the city lent its name to these large fighting dogs.

A uniform breed type of the Bordeaux Dog did not exist before about 1920. The French placed emphasis on keeping the old breeding line pure. Black masks were considered an indication of the crossing in of the Mastiff. As an important indication of purity of the breed, attention was paid to the leather-coloured nose, light eyes, and red mask. Originally bred with huge anatomically incorrect heads; a pioneer for the breed in Germany, Werner Preugschat once wrote:

"What am I supposed to do with a dog that has a monstrous skull and is at most able to carry it from the food dish to its bed."

The Dogue de Bordeaux comes in two varieties, Dogues and Doguins, the former being a considerably larger dog than the latter. Breeding of the Doguins has been seriously neglected in recent years and the variety has dwindled to near nonexistence.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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The Dogue is a french mastiff and you can't tell me he doesn't have one drop of bull/I'm pretty bull headed myself.


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I had this really good bullmastiff, mastiff history book once - my bullmastiff ate it
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Hours later you had a "bullshit" story!...LOL

 

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, have you seen this site? The book he likes so much is the one turned into a bullshit story by my Garmor. Just wanted to make sure you knew about this site. I guess you and Deborah can share it though

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" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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 She is my  favorite too! In fact when they did my breeder interview, I chose her as the mastiff bitch I would have loved to own!


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Status of affairs in 1982..........

 

 

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Breeding fair mastiffs back then was a task unto itself!

 

The majority was lacking "type", soundness, substance and size ( not to mention a dozen other things as well ). Judge Joe Tacker once excused the whole lot at one show and withheld ribbons!

 

That's how bad things were!

 

Today, we are fortunate to have "frozen" and a diverse choice of fine dogs to choose from.

 

At times, I feel like telling some present day breeders, who get too full of themselves, that it's easy being a good captain on a calm sea!

 

In the 70s & 80s the waters were churning PRETTY good!

 

S.O.

 

 


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/EnglishMastiff/rockland1.html

 

 

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1975 Rockland County KC

 

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/EnglishMastiff/garden1.html

 

 

http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/EnglishMastiff/rawfood.html


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Interesting site.............

 

http://www.kumormaimastiffs.btinternet.co.uk/

 

***** Please note:

 

The posting of this site is not a recommendation of the kennel/kennels listed on this site. It is here ONLY to serve as a source of information on mastiffs and any other points which may be of interest!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Are we allowed to Post here?  One of your interesting sites don't please or interest me.

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Ken,

 

Thank you for the info!

 

Please remember, I have been out of the "loop" for a number of years!

 

I don't know of "the inside" issues and I'm just searching and posting the dogs of interest, which I discover!

 

Good, bad, or indifferent!

 

I have no bones to pick with anyone here!

 

Sorry if those sites hurt, or offended anyone!

 

The dogs were interesting and I posted those dogs on behalf of the viewers!

 

S.O.

 

 


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Ken,

An advocation of what exactly?

 

Pictures of dogs?

 

I pulled this off the thread as well, it explains DNA testing and I can't see the harm caused by this info!

 

Not wanting to be confrontational, but I'm sincerely curious!

 

E.G.

 

What is DNA Profiling? 


Buried within the DNA of each and every individual is a special DNA signature that can be used to uniquely identify that individual. DNA profiling is the name given to the technique that has been developed to reveal this DNA signature. Initially, DNA-based approaches to identifying individuals were pioneered in humans, but the same technology has easily been transposed to the dog. Nowadays, special sequences found in DNA called microsatellites are used to build up this DNA signature. Microsatellites have become the system of choice for DNA profiling and genetic testing in humans. The US Armed Forces, FBI, Scotland Yard, The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and multiple forensic laboratories use microsatellites for their forensic, paternity and individual identification tests. The reasons that have made them come to the fore in humans are the very reasons that currently make them the system of choice for dogs.

The technique essentially involves preparing a DNA sample from an individual dog. For this we need to obtain some tissue from the dog in order to prepare the DNA. The ideal source of material would be a blood sample which will permit us to isolate DNA from the white cells; this however requires a vet to take the sample of blood before passing it onto the laboratory for testing. Less invasive techniques which don't require veterinary intervention have therefore been sought to make the procedure more convenient. One alternative source of tissue are the cells that can be easily removed from the inside of a dog's cheek, called buccal cells.

In this case all that is required is to gently rub a small plastic brush against the inside of the cheek to remove the buccal cells. The brush, containing the cells can then be returned to the laboratory for analysis. DNA can be made from both tissue sources, although considerably less DNA is provided by the buccal cells because they are considerably fewer in number.

Once isolated, the DNA can then be treated to reveal the individual-specific DNA signature. Several laboratories throughout the world have been using this technique successfully for a number of years. Many of you will have read in the dog press of the American Kennel Club's pilot study on DNA profiling which has recently been concluded. This particular study used the microsatellite-based DNA profiling that we intend to use on the Staffordshire Bull Terrier pilot study.

What can DNA profiling offer? Well, as I have explained, the DNA signature that is revealed can uniquely identify an individual dog. However, the profile is not just a means of identification because it also carries within it information on the parents of the dog. This is because a puppy inherits half of its DNA from its mother and the remaining half from its father. This essentially means that half of the components that make up the profile are maternal in origin and the other half paternal. So it is in these two areas that profiling has impact: individual identification and parentage verification.

IDENTIFICATION:  

The DNA profile is the ultimate in individual identification and offers a 'tamper-proof' means of identity. The profile need only be produced once and the DNA sample used to produce it can be stored as a permanent DNA record throughout the dog's life. Identification could be essential in a number of instances. For example, the availability of a profile could be used to identify an animal that may have been lost or stolen, and subsequently recovered. The profile could also be used to check the authenticity of a DNA sample being used to screen for the presence of disease-causing genes. Many such tests are being developed and it would be invaluable to be able to verify that the correct dog's DNA is being tested for the presence of the deleterious gene. Repeating the DNA profile on the same sample of DNA being used to carry out the gene test would be straightforward and prove conclusively that the correct animal is being tested.

PARENTAGE/PEDIGREE ANALYSIS:  

Provided that the DNA profiles of both parents are available, pups in a litter can be profiled and their profiles checked with their parents' profile to verify that the correct parents have been registered. This will ultimately have commercial value in that it puts a premium on those litters that have been analysed by DNA profiling.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Ken, I commend you for having the guts to speak up. Too many times, things like this gets kept quiet.

People should have their eyes wide open in cases like the one you described.


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Here comes the sound of the other shoe dropping.  I got a dog from Elaine,  the people at the airport thought it was a bloodhound mix.  I told Ken it looked as if this women was on the way to her airport and saw some mutt in a ditch and picked it up and sent it.  Oh I keep it for two LONG years before giving it to a nice home, trying to see if anything changed.  People that came to my house that knew nothing about Mastiffs thought it was a rescue mix.  This was so serious, contacts were made in the UK for DNA testing from the litter before and litter mates on this dog.  I even had to send a letter to the OEMC there in defense of Julia.  Now I dropped the pursuit of DNA because why throw good money after bad.  I can tell you Ken speaks the truth.  I also know they live in a remote area.  I can also tell you that it caused a big stink over there when ever they showed up with their Faintly plates on the car with KKK.  Now their excuses were their initials were KKK and they had no idea why anyone was upset.  I guess they never heard of a History book.  I don't think a skin head is a fashion statement.  So when their skinhead friends stand in front of you with baseball bats and tell you it means nothing --I have the feeling it does.

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Oh myyy...so, just because some people don't like certain kennels and individuals they should never be mentioned?? I have no knowledge of those kennels or individuals, but for another person to be chastised for posting a link seems pretty ridiculous. I'm sorry you all have not had good experiences with this particular person, but darn, there are tons of rotten stories and kennels out there and in all countries! Does there now need to be an "approved list of links" we can post??

 

From what I have heard, the UK's OEMC is just as chaotic and "cliquish" as any other breed club around the world. I know of others treated very shabbily by the OEMC for very inane reasons. I certainly would not take their endorsement or lack of too seriously. Certain UK judges have also had their breeding's questioned and not that long ago.


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I did not blame Steve for anything --I posted my experience and hopefully you won't have the same.

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My point was more directed to Ken being upset over the links being posted...There are many unscrupulous people around and I think we've all had some kind of experience with them whether it relates to dogs or other topics. I certainly have also. As I said, I don't know the individuals mentioned previously but, I do know people that are sold puppies that have heart problems, obvious conformation problems yet sold as "show quality," etc., etc...No malice intended towards anyone, just venting out loud here!


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I understand what you are saying and no kennel goes with out a problem here and there.  When we can be honest about what has happened to us and others can apply it to their quest for a dog, maybe it will help.  When you spend the time and extraordinary amount of money it takes to import -- you need to be careful.



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OEMC action rarely happens and only in the most severe situations--A general meeting is called, a couple of months later a hearing is held for members to attend.  Information provided and a vote is taken.  If the accused are found guilty of the accusations--Suspension is immediate.  the vote for suspension of the Knights was 96 percent.



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It is 96 percent and it was very important for all to see--when the OMEC gives this time frame it gives ALL the members a chance to come and accused a chance to bring as many as they can.

 

The Threats were very serious to all!!!!!!!!!! 

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I agree Deborah, there are no perfect dogs in any kennel and the reputable breeders are honest about this and if applicable will remedy the situation. I would think it is extremely difficult to reliably import dogs unless you are closely acquainted with the breeder. I have said I have no knowledge of that particular breeder but I sure don't take the OEMC as the all-knowing, absolutely honest organization.  I know of their method of suspension and it can be used unjustly also in SOME incidences.

Ken, yes, unfortunately I am forced by circumstances not to be safe in using my actual name. So, I certainly understand your concerns about safety. I think the posting of these particular links definitely struck an extremely sensitive chord in you, but even so, to chastise another who has unknowingly brought your unpleasant experience to mind is not necessary. I certainly don't consider myself naive, ignorant or asleep, just differing in opinion. My comments were not made to inflict any discomfort, I was expressing my surprise at your vehemence and insistence on these links not being posted. I would agree that being suspended from a club such as the OEMC COULD POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS IN SOME CASES-CERTAINLY NOT ALL OF THEM. I think our own MCOA and some of the suspensions they have handed out have certainly not been with merit in some cases. That being said, I appreciate your willingness to forgive something you find distasteful in my statement even though I don't happen to agree with your feeling about being able to post links freely. I am sorry you had such an unpleasant experience but am glad to hear it did not progress any further. Once again, I am not saying you are wrong in your opinion of this breeder, Ken, as I have no knowledge of that person or situation.


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It seems to me that there is a huge difference between unreputable breeding practices and threatening someone's family.


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You can not compare the two clubs--MCOA is only the board members voting--and only 5 people required I believe.



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They did both

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Well, I am saying is people should not be criticized for posting links that might be distasteful to others. I have already stated multiple times I know nothing about the situation that is being spoken of. 

 

The MCOA and the OEMC have different methods of handling their own disputes but that does not make either of them perfect or right all the time.


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