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By posting this kennel in Historical Perspectives--It could give some the impression it was a good place to go--I'm Glad Steve posted the name of the kennel, because now Ken and I have the opportunity to share our stories.  I don't understand why anyone is taking offense to this horrible position Ken was put in.  Why do you feel compelled to have any defense towards this very dangerous situation these people were put in?

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Ken and Deborah, I think it's time for you to tell us what happened.


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From my stand point I have told you all you need to know from me.  Ken has also as far as I am concerned.  Would it change your mind or only titillate it? 

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It's the first time on this site, that I've seen Ken this upset, that's all.


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"By posting this kennel in Historical Perspectives--It could give some the impression it was a good place to go--I'm Glad Steve posted the name of the kennel, because now Ken and I have the opportunity to share our stories.  I don't understand why anyone is taking offense to this horrible position Ken was put in.  Why do you feel compelled to have any defense towards this very dangerous situation these people were put in?"

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You are misunderstanding me...I am just finding it hard to see people being made to feel they can't post a link they think pertains to the discussion. If I had been in your or Ken's shoes I would not have been happy with that person AT ALL either. I am not defending THAT PERSON..whew...Just the right to not have any pressure or "censorship" of posts. Although there is no formal censorhip or moderation of this site, the pressure from people who are prominent and post often is here unless someone speaks up...I used to be one of those that would sit back and not post for fear of being made to feel wrong. I'm not that way anymore and don't want others to feel that either.



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<< used to be one of those that would sit back and not post for fear of being made to feel wrong. I'm not that way anymore and don't want others to feel that either. >>

 

You go girl!!~!!

 

 


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Thanks Linda.  I'm a--->reformed doormat and survivor of a miserable marriage. So, if I go overboard in this particular area that is why.  I am not trying to make anyone miserable.


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Ken - that really was an awful way for those involved to treat someone visiting a fellow breeder in a foreign country. Luckly she was staying with you and you were there for her. The English Mastiff Club is not so different from MCOA though -Clubs are clubs - and you never know what to believe from any of them.


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with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
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representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Ken,

 

I have amended my original post. If you scroll back up to it you will see my *notation.

 

It's my sincere hope that you recognize my post was totally innocent and I did not know of any issues regarding the kennel, or the breeders. It was about the dogs and ONLY the dogs. I'm sorry if your personal experiences with this kennel has caused you grief in the past.

 

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Ken, i understand...unfortunately being smart and having common sense both seems to be lacking in some of our members....



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I am the proud owner of a Kumormai boy, and I can only speak of the relationship I have had with this breeder and it has been a very pleasant one. I corresponded with her 18 months prior to importing our boy. He is now 3 years old and we are very happy with him. He is beautiful, sound and loves everyone especially children. His breeder keeps updated with him and shares pics of the littermates she kept and the ones that were placed around the world. I have not encountered any problems at all.  

 

 

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Ken - you are absolutely right. I had forgotten about them being in such a small geographical area. I stand corrected!


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the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Don,

 

I can ALWAYS count on YOU to be in the rock pile, when the stones come my way!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
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Small geographic area or not, the OEMC still are not perfect. I have little belief in that point. Idolize an organization all you want-the beast just does not function like that.


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Professor, i was just making a general statement, but know thy self...Don

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I corresponded with Elaine Knight about 4 years ago in regards to importing a puppy. When it got down to the wire, & I asked about a guarantee regarding the puppy, I was told " there was no guarantee." Not even for a year !

I told Elaine that I did not expect a monetary refund, but I would indeed expect at least a puppy replacement if anything congenital developed. And I would of course been responsible for shipping. But again, was told no guarantee. So I told her sorry, I could not purchase from her under those terms.

Now, I know for a fact that there has been at least 3 people who bought dogs from her, that the dogs turned out aggressive to the point of attacking people & other dogs. In two of the cases, the owners tried extensive work to change the dogs behavior, but to no avail. So at least 3 of her dogs that were sent to the USA had to be put down before, or by age 2 yrs.

This is why information should be shared. Because it can "hopefully" save other people from making mistakes, or going through financial losses & grief. It also

let's one see the "whole picture," instead of just BIG dogs & lots of bragging about show wins & titles!


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HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES--This tread if you go back and look has many OLD therefore HISTORICAL pictures and very few sites--For what reason is that site in this Area to begin with--If DNA then why not put it in a DNA thread?  If DNA is the subject--I would suggest you think about what I wrote about Wallon and why they started all those test in that Kennel.

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Angie,

 

I have no reason to doubt Ken at his word. I believe him.

 

On the other hand, I don't want to be in a position to be judge & jury for every poster who may have had a problem with any other breeder.

 

Tobin had his share of problems at Deer Run and I don't think that the majority of members here would want to see Deer Run banned from ever being mentioned, or DR dogs becoming unwelcomed either!

 

If I were interested in learning about Hitler's German Shepard, it doesn't mean that I also condoned Hitler and the Nazis!

 

I don't know who those people are at that kennel mentioned in the site. They very well might be horrible people. That's not the issue! Their dogs are mastiffs and have interesting pedigrees and that's information which could be valuable for some, regardless of the kennel owner's political leanings, or prior shenanigans.

 

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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KEN, I SEE THAT YOUR DISPLEASURE OVER MY OPINION IS COMING OUT IN INSULTS AND DEROGATORY INNUENDOS. THAT SHOWS ME A LOT ABOUT YOUR OWN LACK OF CHARACTER. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO I AM FOR GOOD REASON, MY OWN REASON THAT RELATES TO MY OWN SAFETY. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I DO OR DO NOT KNOW AND FOR YOU TO STATE THAT SHOWS YOUR OWN IGNORANCE AND GRASPING AT STRAWS TO WIN YOUR OWN POINT BY SLAMMING ANOTHER. IT IS CHILDISH BEHAVIOR-AND IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY MANY DO NOT POST AN OPPOSING OPINION-FOR FEAR OF RETALIATION. 


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Deborah,

 

Just the other day, someone complained, that new threads were knocking out the older threads and that I/we shouldn't be starting new threads, if we could consolodate them under existing threads.

 

Therefore, I reluctantly posted those sites under this header!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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I think the use an alias in these posting limits the credibility of the poster. It is a form of deception I find distasteful.I think people should know where a person stands and that is impossible if you don't know who they are.In addition the use of alias create a situation for great mischief.

 

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"I think the use an alias in these posting limits the credibility of the poster. It is a form of deception I find distasteful.I think people should know where a person stands and that is impossible if you don't know who they are.In addition the use of alias create a situation for great mischief.

 

Darrel"

 

Think what you like Darrel. I've stated my reason for using a nickname on several occasions. If you choose not to accept or believe that explanation, that is your choice. I find other forms of speech used in this forum distasteful and that is when I speak up so you are certainly entitled to your opinion just as I am.



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You may see displeasure in the tone of someones post--but NEVER QUESTION THE CHARACTOR OF THIS PARTICULAR MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Steve the number of threads or the size of the threads really should not make a difference. When the files reach a certain size the oldest file get purged.That going to happen if you have, for example, a bunch of small files or few of large file. When the purge number is reached the oldest file get purged.

 

Besides the what we write is not great prose and it shelf life get used up pretty quick.So if you want to save your writings for posterity write a book, find a vanity press and have at it.

 

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"You may see displeasure in the tone of someones post--but NEVER QUESTION THE CHARACTOR OF THIS PARTICULAR MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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WHEN THAT PARTICULAR MAN DISPARAGES AND INSULTS ME FOR STATING MY OWN OPINION I CERTAINLY DO QUESTION HIS CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Deborah, I can't agree more!!! He's earned right to state his opinion, it wasn't handed to him.....

 

Darrel, i agree about the people and having a creditability problem in most case's, but not here....The lady has a valid point if true, and she's not new to the site......Now if this was CJ, it be a different stroy...

 

 

Professor, I agree with you also....How dare anyone think you could be  wrong!!!



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You may not like the "insult" he gave you but again you know not enough on the subject of which you speak.  I give you all the credit to have a voice just use it wisely.

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Darryl - the size of the files does not matter at this point in time. We have plenty of file space and band width. It is simply the magic number of 700 on the threads. When we get to 701 the oldest thread is removed. Not a perfect system but it is how it works right now..


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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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OK , never mind disregard my last.

 

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Sorry about that Darryl - you are my hero!


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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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Don,

 

Anyone has the right to think anything they please, even you!

 

Fortunately, the "thought police" have not yet organized in force!

 

 


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"You may not like the "insult" he gave you but again you know not enough on the subject of which you speak.  I give you all the credit to have a voice just use it wisely.


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*sigh...*  I feel like a broken record here. I keep saying I don't know the particulars of the situation Ken is so upset over. I don't know him or those people. I do recognize that how one treats others in private or public shows parts of their character. I do not like feeling like I am censored and/or bullied into being quiet. As long as that continues I will not be quiet.


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What is so irritating and puts Women in a subservient position in life is their need to have the last word on everything--Sometimes the Final word is the important statement that is made.  You know not of what you speak when you speak of Ken's character--I give you the right to have a voice and always enjoy you and don't care but understand why you use a "handle", but Know the difference on an insult and the Character of a Man.

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Homebody,

 

Cliques will form in most forums on the internet.

 

It makes the members of the clique feel empowered.

 

Those cliques will rally about a fellow member, when they feel that member is under attack.  During the "feeding frenzy" lots of objectivity is lost and the goal is to put down the perceived attacker, or their contradictory views.

 

Ultimately, it hurts the larger body, because the silent majority does not want to be attacked by posting any controversial issue which may then be "gang banged" by the members of "the clique"! 

 

An open forum should be able to discuss ALL topics in a civil fashion, even when those topics are "hot"!

 

Personalizing issues, name calling etc. only creates enemies and adds nothing to the forums original "raison d'etre"!

 

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Angie,

 

I'm not going to judge you, or anyone else here.

 

This is not the Supreme Court!

 

Anecdotal references can be damaging and I don't want to take sides for the lynching!

 

The facts will remain facts, no matter what opinion states. If they have been found guilty as charged, the facts will remain there for ALL to see.

 

Once we start evaluating and then judging others, how long will it take before someone somewhere comes out against you?

 

 


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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If that remark is made to me Steve--Then let me say this a little plainer--I am not putting Homebody down for anything--I am only saying this is the one and only man that I will ever come in and defend his Character.  That alone should say something!!!!

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Deborah, I appreciate your comments. I don't feel the need to have the last word on any subject. I do understand that those of stellar character have no need to insult or be unkind. I was fortunate enough to have parents that were extremely kind and found no need to be this way. Points can be made and disagreements discussed without negative comments. I can sure understand that nobody is perfect and things can be said that one would in retrospect not say. Perhaps that is the case in this situation. My beliefs should be evident to everyone by now.

 

 


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It is not directed at you Deborah. It is meant for all!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve--that French thing you said--sounded when I pronounced it--Raise on Debra--so use plain English for me!!!!!!!!

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Homebody,

 

Apparently, this is a very sensitive issue for Ken.

 

I understood that in his original response to me, because it was not Ken's normal way of responding. If Ken reacted emotionally because of his bad experience, lets just leave it at that. I don't want to speak for Ken, but I'm certain that he didn't mean to hurt anyone and was just reacting to an old wound!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Deborah, it's understandable that you mistook Steve's meaning, he didn't use the special ALT to add the accent. It's "raison d’être"


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Thanks for clearing that up for me--here I thought Steve had just lost All his Magical Powers---eeeekkkk



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Well Professor your in big trouble if they ever do!!!! Your's comes from books an other peoples experiences, and books are full of half truths, besides the fact that some people lie...Just some of my thoughts!!!

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Don,

 

When posting pictures and articles, I'm just the messenger!

 

My personal views, which I post, are my own, based in part of what I've read and experienced.

 

Besides, if they ever do come for me, no doubt you'll be grinning from ear to ear!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Darrell wrote:

 

"Besides the what we write is not great prose and it shelf life get used up pretty quick."

 

Darrell, I couldn't agree with you more!


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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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Sorry, Ken, I'm done responding to you on this. It's going nowhere.


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Ken,...You trying to take my crown away?. I'm the one that's suppose to be crazy, and going off half cocked!!...I have enough respect for you to think you may not like yourself tomorrow......You too smart of a person not to realize not everything is black & white....I'm staying out of the fight, other then to say i don't think she should be attacked on the fact she can't show her name....Think about the TV film that shows a husband running up to his wife at a graveyard and shooting her....No one should have to live in fear!!!



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Ken, i tried to treat you with respect, an i get your asshole reply....I could give a flying @$^* about the main issue...OR YOUR PROBLEMS....The lady didn't need you attacking her reason for not posting her name, and if it has to do with this site, then it's not domestic like you implied...It would be between Linda & Her unless you run it now!!!. Cheers, Don

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Thanks very much for that Don, but I am fine. I'm finished trying to get my point across on this.


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http://www.mastiff.no/tmis/history/uk.html

 

Back to the thread!


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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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