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It's a Facebook discussion on a post I shared:



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Person A:  poor baby :-(

Person B:  Yeah poor kid when that pit gets hold of him one of these days!

Me:  Person B, it's not the breed that makes them dangerous, it's the idiots that raise them.

Person B:   Yeah that's what they all say. How do u explain the fact that some dogs like to swim some dogs like to fetch etc. The fact is pit bulls are very aggressive and like to fight so why take a chance on letting your kid get bit?

Me:  Person B, there are more bites by other breeds such as the Golden Retriever than Pit Bulls, however, Pit Bulls do more physical damage to the body because of the way they bite. You know what other dogs are at the top of the bite list, Chihuahua's, yes, Chihuahua's. Also, the Press mis-identifies the breed in almost every "dog attack" story. They typically jump right to Pit Bull or Mastiff while dog people see the dog on TV and go WTF?!?!?! That's not a (whatever the press identified it as). You don't have to like Pitties and I know I'm not going to change your perception of them, however, I think if you really learn about the breed you might understand where I'm coming from. ANY dog can be a great dog, AND, any dog can be an aggressive one. Humans are the perfect example, pedophiles get released from Prison out into the public having committed a heinous crime that will most likely be repeated, but a dog who has never bit anyone or hurt a fly will be euthanized simply because of its breed. How fair is that?

I'm still waiting to hear from Person B.

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I told my family last night that I have come to the conclusion that all convicted pedophiles should NEVER get out of prison. I would even
entertain the death penalty for rapists and pedophiles. You cannot
rehabilitate Pedophiles. So why send them back out into society to hurt
or kill someone else?  I know this is a blanket statement but I don't care.

As for the pit bulls, I have all ready stated how I feel about them and their
owners. But, I know to many "do-gooders" that are well intentioned and loving dog owners that adopts pits. A friend adopted a pit puppy and socialized it daily. It did not turn out well.

I personally know another family that had a pit from the time it was born. It
played with their children daily. It was assumed that everything was great
because after all...everyone loved each other. Everyone was kind to the dog
including the children. Unprovoked, the dog jumped at the daughter and bit her on the eyelid causing a puncture wound..narrowly missing the eye. This
family was filled with angst trying to figure out if it was a one time thing and "why" it happened...it would take me a nano-second to put that dog to
sleep. Something had changed in the dogs health or the dynamic in the household...but our first priority is to take care of our children and their health.

We could all go on with stories but the real villains are the gangstas breeding these dogs. The idiot teenagers who want to make a buck. It
is the dogs who pay with their lives. I say for a start neuter all of them!



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I used to feel the same. All of the negative media hype really gives them a bad name. They are actually one of the top 10 breeds you can't own on a homeowners policy...mine included. :S
In my opinion, it really depends on the lines & what they've been used for. The Mastiffs were also used to fight at one point in their lives also, as well as many other breeds. 
I think if they come from someone you can trust & there have been no history of aggression & the buyer raises the puppy right, there aren't many problems. 
I got a pitbull puppy many years ago from a girl that just kept letting her dogs get together pretty much. You could tell he was the most submissive from the rest of the litter though because he ate when the others were done, he got trampled on, etc. 
He was one of the sweetest dogs ever! I would trust him in a room with any child! He LOVED my kiddos! He was afraid of his own shadow! lol  
Once, the cat was taunting him. I knew what the cat was doing. He was daring him to walk past him to get to his dish. The cat was sitting up on a chair. Well, he decided to be brave & went for it! The cat chased him all the way up the steps & under the bed! It was a sight to see for sure! lol 

The girl that I got him from, her dogs were very big & very scary looking! The first time I went around them I was a little intimidated & I'm not afraid of dogs at all. But my first encounter was my puppy's sire. The girl yelled, "come in" & I did reluctantly. All of a sudden at least 3-4 of them came charging at me...one of which was the sire. He was enormous! He came full speed & for the first time in my life I thought I was gonna have to physically hurt a dog if it started to attack! Well, he came charging, staring straight at me, once he got to me, he flung his body sideways & knocked my knees backwards to where I lost my balance....he wanted me to scratch his butt!!! LOL  He flipped his body around hitting my knees just so I would scratch him, then he laid down for a belly rub! lol  I actually seen this dog about 2 weeks ago. He's getting to be an old man now.
The husband & wife went through a divorce, he ended up with 2 of the dogs. Both are still big marshmallows! 
So, each dog, regardless of the breed are individuals. Their personalities are based on genetics & upbringing. 
About 4 years ago maybe (?), I rescued a chocolate lab from being euthanized. He was scheduled next in line. He was advertised as, "would make a great therapy dog". Um yeah...I felt like *I* needed therapy after having this dog! He was both aggressive & dominant! NOT a good combination with kids or a family life at all! I did not trust him not only around my kids unsupervised, but didn't trust him with me standing right there!
I worked extremely hard with him for 2 years & got him to where I felt in the right hands, he would make a good dog for someone. I was recommended by rescues to put him down.
I screened many people before the perfect home came along. I told them about ALL of his issues & the ones he had improved on, etc.  I didn't want anyone adopting him blindly & something devastating happen!
We kept in contact for a while & he transitioned right in fine! It was the best place he could've went!
Pitbulls have a high pain tolerance also. So if you have kids or your dogs gets under your feet a lot & it's tail gets stepped on or something, if it's a good natured dog, you wont be looking at a bite. My pitbull never once offered to growl or give any signs that he would even think about hurting anyone. The lab...yep, he went for my daughters face when she bent down to pet him! :S
It's all about the dog...not the breed.  

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I have seen more aggressive pit bulls than some other breeds, but I have seen many aggressive German Shepherds. The most dangerous dogs are the ones that attack without warning. If this trait could be eliminated, then most serious dog bites would not happen. People being as they are, there will never be a widespread effort to do this.
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I simply cannot find it in myself to believe that a dog would attack without *some* warning, unless there was an underlying organic condition that could not be helped.  I just can't.

When I lived in Houston, one of my food customers was the sire of the winningest mother/daughter combo in APBTs (at the time, I don't know if still is.)  Maybe it was his show career and having been around the block, but I don't think I've ever met a more stable, constant dog.  While yorkies were jerking to the ends of their leashes trying to get at him, he acted as though nothing was there.  In tact males nearby posturing?  He wasn't phased.

Yes, genetics can play a component in temperament, and I believe this because I do see it in my Reyna.  But I think we should be more fearful of dogs that were bred for aggression intentionally and gaining popularity.  I can't even begin to count how often recently I've seen Filas on Craigslist.  That, to me, is a scary breed because the aggression is basically spelled out in their standard.  Pit bulls aren't supposed to be people aggressive... But crappy breeding and uninformed owners have led to a bad rap, IMO.

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Also, Caesar Milan's dog. "Daddy" that died.   In the right hands, they are wonderful dogs!
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You can't change a whole breed or idiot owners mindset. We can only hope that more damage isn't done and more folks (children especially) don't suffer with dangerous dogs no matter what breed. I agree with Dixie and see the pitbull as a status dog and one that has been exploited and maligned at the same time. I would never own one, nor would I recommend them to anyone. They are time bombs and in the wrong hands go off...
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P.S. Just saw yet ANOTHER pitbull story on Judge Milian ..the pit came running after another leashed dog and owner. Needles to say it was a horrible situation. How come you never hear of a poodle doing that?..hmmm..
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perhaps we're not looking Gina, hummm ?

Girl, 7, Hospitalized After Poodle Attack

Posted: Jul 22, 2009 10:20 AM EDT Updated: Aug 06, 2009 12:50 PM EDT
 
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GRASONVILLE, Md.- The Queen Anne's County Sheriff's Office says a 7-year-old Grasonville girl had to be taken to the hospital after being attacked and bitten by a large poodle.

The incident occurred shortly after 6 p.m. July 18. According to police, the girl was walking in the rear yard of a home on the 400 block of Main Street in Grasonville when she bitten by a large poodle that was kept at that address. The child sustained bite wounds to her upper body and was treated EMS personnel before being transported to the Anne Arundel Medical Center in Annapolis where she was listed in stable condition.

An investigation into the incident is being conducted by the Queen Anne's County Department of Animal Services and Environmental Health.  


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too good ! Connecticut no less !! 

http://articles.courant.com/2012-05-29/news/hc-springfield-poodle-vs-pit-bull-0530-20120529_1_pit-bull-poodle-owner-knife

Poodle Attacks Pit Bull

  • Police charged a local man after his poodle attacked a pit bull. Luis Velez, 42, of Benton Street in Springfield, the poodle owner, was charged after he threatened two boys with a knife.
Police charged a local man after his poodle attacked a pit bull. Luis Velez,… (Courtesy of Springfield&hellip
May 29, 2012|By DAVID OWENS, dowens@courant.com, The Hartford Courant

SPRINGFIELD —

A local man was charged after his poodle attacked a pit bull and he allegedly threatened two boys with a knife, police said.

Luis Velez, 42, of Benton Street in Springfield, was identified as the poodle owner.

The boys, 14 and 15, were walking their pit bull along Benton Street around 8:20 p.m. Monday when Velez's poodle attacked, police said. The boys tried to get the poodle away from their pit bull but couldn't.


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see it's  COMICAL when it is a poodle attacking a pit bull "deeper doo-doo" SMIRK), let's all play act and imagine the article if the boys pit bull had attacked the poodle...
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/springfield_poodle_with_taste.html

SPRINGFIELD – A poodle with an apparent taste for trouble got its owner into even deeper doo-doo with the law Monday night after it allegedly attacked a pitbull on Benton Street

Sgt. John M. Delaney said the incident began shortly before 8:30 p.m. as a15-year-old male walked his leashed pitbull near 48 Benton St.

“During their evening walk the pitbull was suddenly attacked by a poodle,” Delaney, aide to Commissioner William J. Fitchet, said.

The 15-year-old, along with his 14-year-old friend, tried, but couldn’t separate the two fighting dogs.

The owner of the poodle looked out his window and didn’t like what he saw,” Delaney said, adding that the poodle owner then went after the two boys with a knife.

The boys, fearing they were about to get stabbed, dropped the leash and ran, Delaney said, adding that responding Police Officers John Corey and Howard Lockwood then spoke with the youths, their parents and witnesses.

Police then went to the poodle-owner’s home at 48 Benton St. and placed him under arrest. The suspect, Luis Velez, still had the knife in his pocket, Delaney said.

Velez, 42, was charged with assault by means of a dangerous weapon.

At his arraignment Tuesday in Springfield District Court, he denied the charges. He was ordered held in lieu of $100 bail and was ordered to have no contact with the victims. He is due back in court on June 26 for a pre-trial hearing.

Delaney said the dogs weren’t seriously injured and did not require treatment. The pitbull was returned to the owner, he said.

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More Comedy !
Poodle Attacks Pitbull
Posted By: UFO on 1/12/2001  in MISCELLANEOUS    
Stockholm, Sweden (Reuters):

A poodle attacked a pitbull near Gothenburg in southern Sweden and then bit the pitbull's owner in the leg when she tried to protect her dog, the Swedish TT news agency said Tuesday.

The poodle's owner said her dog had greeted the pitbull in a friendly way but turned into a fighting canine because the pitbull disliked it, TT said.

Poodles are normally regarded as docile dogs while pitbull terriers have a reputation for being aggressive. ( WhiteBoard News/1/10/01)

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When Standard Poodles attack!

I was just walking Rocky and we're strolling about our usual route for our evening walk, when all of a sudden this big Standard Poodle comes charging off the porch of an older couple whose house I pass almost every night. I don't know if they've always had the dog or if it belongs to a relative or what because I've never seen it before, but the thing wasn't on a chain or anything and it scared the hell out of me. I know Rocky wouldn't fight with it, but it came out at us with a dominant posture and was growling. I just said "NO!" really firmly several times and kept trying to get Rocky to keep walking because he sort of wanted to go at it (maybe he's getting some guts now that he is getting older). I was kind of pissed, but I just kept walking and didn't say anything. How rude of them. They might not worry about their dog, but it's really not fair to those of us with our dog on a leash who are trying to have a pleasant walk. I also think it's funny because people see a Boxer and think "ooh, it's intimidating looking" while they think Poodles are just some "foo foo" dog. Riiiight.

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QUESTION: Keisha,  I have a Boston Terrier (9 mth old).  She is great with all animals ..very sweet.  Loves to run with the big dogs.  Question: in the dog park, we have had 3 incidents with different Standard Poodles.  THey attack her biting at her neck..over and over again.  Not a fun a playful manner but almost a fixation on her.  Yesterday, a 1 year old Standard Poodle really went crazy.  I picked up my dog and the poodle circled me and jumped at me to get at the dog.  I grew up with a Standard Poodle and we never experienced this behavior.  But I have experienced 3 diffferent times with different poodles.  Is this typical behavior?  Should I run from the park when I see a Poodle coming?

ANSWER: I fyou grew up with a standard poodle then you already know the answer to that question.  Ofcourse its not typical behavior.  My standards live with toy poodles and all get along just fine.  The love meeting other dogs and playing with them.  What you are seeing is poorly socialized animals with bad behavior with even worse owners that do nothing to stop the behavior.  I would find out what the rules are there at your dog park and report those dogs and their owners.  Talk to the owners.  Tell them they need to get their dogs under control or else you will be reporting each and every one of them.  It should be a safe place for all dogs!

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QUESTION: Thank you for your prompt answer.  I think it is a valid question to ask...even if my family had a standard poodle growing up.  If three different dogs of the same breed are displaying the same behavior.. that may indicate something.  I was 12 years old and we only had experience with our one poodle.  Have you had your dogs around terriers or any other breed of small dogs.  My dog trainer had her maltese killed by a standard poodle and she said they display a hunt and kill type behavior around small dogs.  She worked with only one poodle that could control her behavior from consistent correction and daily training.  Is this true?  I have always loved standard poodles from my experience as a child growing up with one and I am not writing to bad mouth the breed..but I do not like what I am seeing in the dog park..and it is the standard poodle that seems fixated on my small dog.  THey scare me more than a pit bull..as of late.  Are they originally hunting dogs and did they hunt small animals?  I fear that my sister's dog ( a golden doodle) may have it in her too.  She bites at the neck of my dog over and over again.  Even when Daisy is lying on her back in a submissive position.  Please do not take offence at these questions and you do not have to publically post them.  I figure you are the better person to ask..since you are an expert on poodles.  I will also follow up with my veterinarian.  Regards, Kelly

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My standard poodle just agressively attacked my husband What

 
 
 

My standard poodle just agressively attacked my husband? What should we do? He is 7 yrs old.

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Puppy attacks baby sleeping with mother

Infant has surgery; pet is euthanized

A 1-month-old was attacked and seriously injured by a puppy while he slept with his mother Saturday.

The baby suffered “substantial damage” to his genitals while he lay in bed with his mother from an attack by the family’s 6-month-old Cairn terrier and poodle mix, police said.

The mother told police she went to bed with the child after returning from work about 6 a.m. and was awoken about 1 p.m. by her 5-year-old. When she awoke, she noticed the baby had been moved and his diaper was missing. She then saw he had blood on him and rushed him to St. Joseph Hospital, the report said.

The baby’s injuries required transfer to Lutheran Hospital, where he underwent corrective surgery. He is expected to survive, but police did not know whether the injuries caused permanent damage. An updated condition from the hospital was not available Monday, police spokesman Michael Joyner said.

Investigators believe nothing from the attack suggests neglect was to blame for the child’s injuries and no charges are likely, Joyner said.

The dog was relinquished by its owner and was euthanized, said Belinda Lewis, director of Fort Wayne Animal Care & Control. Its remains are being sent to Indianapolis for rabies testing in the hopes that the baby will not have to go through rabies treatment, she said.

Peggy Bender, community relations and education specialist for Animal Care & Control, said it is important for families with young children to always supervise animals.

“As soon as you are aware a baby is going to join the family, you need to be thinking in terms of preparation and supervision,” Bender said.

She recommends preparing dogs with obedience training, not only so the animal learns to obey but also so a professional can evaluate its behavior.

They should also be “crate trained” so dogs become accustomed to being in a crate when they cannot be actively supervised, Bender said.

“It is just critical to always supervise young children around pets,” she said. “Never leave an infant baby in a room where a dog has access to it if you are not actively supervising.”

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OK OK..but you still don't see poodles guarding junk yards, being owned by druggie dealers or so popular in the biting dept. I know every dog can have the potential to bite, but it just seems the pitbull (or mixes) are at the crux of the problem. Any dog can bite, but some breeds have a much, much higher incidence. Why is that? In fact there was a terrible GR in my daughter's neighborhood that was a wacko...given the chance yes he could do some serious damage, they had so many citations that they put him to sleep. If that dog or any dog bit my grandkids I would be the first to do the same. I love dogs (animals in general) but people come first. 
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And I know you, some little pit bull could wheedle it's way into your heart in seconds, because you would see the dog not the myth.
We have temperament problems with dogs bred and raised under OPTIMAL circumstances -  selective breeding for health and temperament, prenatal conditions including environment and nutrition,
proper socialization, vet checks, training, living conditions, healthy and free from parasites and properly fed and watered. AND WE STILL HAVE TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS - is it any wonder that dogs that get shorted and neglected on MOST of these critical inputs turn out to be fearful, reactive, aggressive, defensive ? Dogs raised in totally unpredictable circumstances, where life has ABSOLUTELY no predictability, where a dogs action may be met with extreme punishment one day, and total indifference the next  - gee, is it any wonder these dogs react..unpredictably ? 

We think life has changed for us in the last 100-200 years, gawd, think how it has changed for the dog ! The requirements on dogs today are simply amazing - is it any wonder at all that they fail ? Is it any wonder that America's dog, the pit bull terrier, Petey of Our Gang is now the mad wild unpredictable killer of babies?

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Mutual Kristie !
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I see your point Erika, but I still don't see how the pitbull became the poster boy for biting, aggression and overall nastiness. Why are THeY owned by folks who enhance the aggressive temperment ...you never see Golden Retriever fighting rings exposed..why didn't Micheal Vick use them instead? What is it about this breed that makes it a biting machine.
I remember back in rescue some breeds were actually bought as bait for fighting breeds it was all we could do to save them. Tobin Jackson was breeding Tosas and such and needed small dogs for baiting purposes.
I understand all dogs can bite someone, hell I was attacked a couple of times on rescue calls by Mastiffs...but I still maintain that pitbulls have a long road ahead if they are to be subdued like our breed. some do make wonderful pets, but trust is an issue...I'm not sold.
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I still don't see how the pitbull became the poster boy for biting, aggression and overall nastiness. Why are THeY owned by folks who enhance the aggressive temperment .


Well it used to be Dobermans, and then rotties. Then bull mastiffs, now pits, suspect it will move to Corsos, or boerboels. A lot of it is driven by what people want - when they want a breed, the crap breeders produce it - people want a bad-ass dog, people are going to produce it.  Dog fighting is, I think, a fairly recent phenom (perhaps should say the "return" of dog fighting...) in urban areas - they are cheap, easy, bragging rights, and betting.  But blood sports in this country have always been around, cock fights, bear baiting (yes, bear baiting still happens here and it is LEGAL in some states/counties). 
I will say I find it hard to believe your claim about small dogs - it does not mesh with anything I have read about Tobin Jackson, who was himself a small dog breeder, quite well know with Affinpinschers and actually wrote a breed book about them. I fear that kind of reckless statement is how stories are started, much like the myths perpetuated about pit bulls.

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Correcting please "affenpinschers"
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Sadly when I was busy in rescue the President at that time of the Pekinese club was informed that Tobin was in N.M. training fighting dogs and using small dogs for baiting purposes. It was investigated by their club (I don't remember the outcome) ...we had to bow out because it WAS heresay. ..you are right Erika, rumors are just that, but we had to check certain things out. You wouldn't believe some of the things I saw firsthand and witnesses about some so called reputable Mastiff breeders...but that's another subject...
Many breeds have had their day, right again, when it comes to aggressive behavior, remember when Saints in the 70's went through a bad rap? To tell you the truth Akitas and Chows scare me more...LOL..I was attacked twice by Mastiffs while on a rescue, and I know of a couple of biting incidents too..It's just a shame any breed has to had this happen.
thanks for the debate and take good care...
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Sadly when I was busy in rescue the President at that time of the Pekinese club was informed that Tobin was in N.M. training fighting dogs and using small dogs for baiting purposes. It was investigated by their club (I don't remember the outcome) ...we had to bow out because it WAS heresay. ..you are right Erika, rumors are just that, but we had to check certain things out. You wouldn't believe some of the things I saw firsthand and witnesses about some so called reputable Mastiff breeders...but that's another subject...
Many breeds have had their day, right again, when it comes to aggressive behavior, remember when Saints in the 70's went through a bad rap? To tell you the truth Akitas and Chows scare me more...LOL..I was attacked twice by Mastiffs while on a rescue, and I know of a couple of biting incidents too..It's just a shame any breed has to had this happen.
thanks for the debate and take good care...
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I'm surprised they don't still have some sort of bad rap... I've been meeting A LOT of aggressive/reactive saints lately.  Supposed it was from all the overbreeding from the Beethoven years.  Knew someone whose Saint went after her once and she was able to get behind a door... The second time he did it, he chewed her up pretty good and she had him put down. 

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I think it was KUJO that gave them the rap more than anything else. In reality I think it was just the movie made the public more aware of the breed and thus more reports got attention not that there was an sudden rise in reports. Movies could be a blessing or a curse.
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I think it was before Cujo ..I was not "into" dogs as much but I remember Kathy Babbins talking about it (the late Kathy B) she was a Saint breeder. But you are right, the stupid movies have a lot to do with it. After Turner and Hooch, Bordeaux became extremely popular too. Fickle people, they don't realize what harm they are causing.
I can't even watch the first episode of Lassie...the war one...
I'm a baby..LOL..
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Tobin Jackson was breeding Tosas and such and needed small dogs for baiting purposes.


This is new!

I've never heard this!

Can you site sources?

I knew Tobin and I don't believe he bred Tosa's, or would have used small breeds at bait!

Just saying!

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If we reflect to post #1, we can certainly feel for the images in question.

I could post baby lion photos and attach similar wording to make it seem as though it's all the way they're raised!

The bottom line is what we deny!

The fox aggressive program, clearly shows that aggression is genetic.

There are other species that show similar genetic factors.

Yet, when it comes to dogs, we close our collective minds and deny the reality!

Given a few generations, I could breed a race of killer Chihuahuas!

Why would we ignore the Pit types, that were bred for their tenacity, power, impulsive aggression, pain suppression, red zoned reactive responses, non conveyance of intent, and now present a danger to the general population?

Is it all about nurture?

I think not! The studies clearly show, that aggressive behaviors are hereditary.

Sorry to have to break this news, but certain breeds can be bred to be more aggressive, impulsive and deadly to children, other dogs & adults!

Listing other breeds, that may have similar tendencies, or higher than average attacks & maulings, only reinforce the genetic claims made, which show this aggressive element in certain breeds. A concentrated amount, in any one breed type, is what creates the daily headlines we see!

Municipalities, won't try to manage & segregate the wheat from the chaff, they will utilize broad stroke action and simply ban any phenotype that fits their prerogative!

So we can decide if we wish to be right, or smart!

Protecting our breed is paramount and good intentions will only delay the inevitable. Protecting the Mastiff should be our priority. Protecting other breed types must take a secondary place.

Reality sucks!




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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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The only source I have about him breeding Tosa's was the Peke club. they were in such a terrible state and I doubted it. I think there was panic when he moved to NM and rumors just started flying about his intentions with other breeds. He did breed Presa Canario's right? I remember something about the Diane Whipple case that he was breeding them.  
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