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Posted 07/03/10 at 11:53 AMReply with quote #1701 
Awesome post Jennifer!!  I find Cali's remarks to be way out of line with the entire subject at hand, that is Glorias dogs were starved and shot, we don't know where Gloria is and who was involved.  The endless comments about ones own beauty and material things is vain, and only shows you to be a very small person who believes your outer beauty to be your only asset. we don't care what you wore, we don't care how you look, we only care about our dogs, and those dogs who need our help. 
 If you cannot stay on the subject of the mastiffs perhaps the blog about toddlers and Taira's would be a better place for you.
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Posted 07/03/10 at 12:00 PMReply with quote #1702 
Huge kudos to Jennifer!  Well said! 
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Posted 07/03/10 at 12:52 PMReply with quote #1703 

Since this thread has gone so far off topic I think it is time to LOCK this thread. No further posts will be allowed to be made on this thread.
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Posted 03/22/11 at 07:43 PMReply with quote #1704 
Has anyone heard anything about the Davis case?
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We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Posted 08/07/11 at 07:17 PMReply with quote #1705 
Bump, for Laurie's beautiful post, and Linda's family, and the families caring for her surviving dogs
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Posted 08/07/11 at 07:35 PMReply with quote #1706 
*Gloria's*
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Posted 09/30/11 at 09:16 AMReply with quote #1707 
What a sad, tragic story for everyone involved but especially those poor animals. I've looked online but can't find any updates on this, people don't just disappear like that. I don't understand how nothing has come of this investigation.
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Posted 10/05/11 at 12:12 PMReply with quote #1708 

Utterly Heartbreaking! 

                                                                      Rainbow Bridge.

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....


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Posted 10/24/11 at 11:29 AMReply with quote #1709 
Someone on one of the freelance writing sites uses Brindles as their call and it made me think of this thread.
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Posted 10/26/11 at 07:26 PMReply with quote #1710 

  there is still an ongoing investigation--leads are still being developed and investigated. All we can do is wait.

 

I do have one request--I believe in the power of positive thinking and in prayer.  I would like to ask that each of you to please ask for strength, guidance, and wisdom for Officer Mills and all the others involved.  I place this simple prayer every morning.

 

You don't have to like Gloria--you don't have to even approve of her in anyway--just ask for justice.  Justice for her sons--her grandsons-and her dogs.

 

Please if you can--do it for one week.  I believe in the power of the mind and in God.  It's time to call in the big guns.

 

 
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Posted 10/26/11 at 11:41 PMReply with quote #1711 
I think about her often, just bring her home her family deserves to know where she is

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Will do Catie!
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Posted 10/27/11 at 11:36 AMReply with quote #1713 
I hope for justice and retribution for any and all living things harmed in this horrible incident. 
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Please look at the letter that Ron wrote to the Sherrif.. under Womanconfidentialworld..thread
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Posted 07/16/12 at 12:13 PMReply with quote #1715 
still wonder about Gloria
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Posted 07/17/12 at 01:25 AMReply with quote #1716 
good lord..... Im on vaca and still would need time to figure and catch up on this thread! I hope all the dogs are doing well. Is there an update about Gloria? Didnt know her but often saw her posts.. What's up with the butterfly chick????     Uhmmmm...Think she has a twisted obsession with you Steve !!!  and really! WAITING posting every few minutes for kazia to respond to her? is this someone using a false logon or is she not all there? (sorry couldnt resist after seeing her post as if she was a psychotherapist )

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Believing that you're better than others

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  • Exaggerating your achievements or talents
  • Expecting constant praise and admiration
  • Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings

All that know me for several years know im not one to bash or be nasty but what the hell! Ive seen drama out here but this tops the battles, Besides, anyone who comes on a dog site and goes on and on about how beautiful they are and how they are mad about their gucci stain has it coming.  Had you said your mastiff swung a slinger on your new gucci - Well - then your talkin honey LOL!  had to get that out, thanks.
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Posted 07/18/12 at 10:37 PMReply with quote #1717 
Is this Gloria Davis still missing? Are the police not interested in finding her? 

What about Kazia? She hasn't been on since the end of 2011, is she still alive?

What a sad story about the dogs being shot and neglected/starved. Terrible! This is a very long thread and I have to say I'm a little shocked by the viciousness of some of the people posting here. All the hate. I understand the rage at the horrible deaths of the poor dogs, but none of the ones posting even know what really happened but they're so sure to condemn people. This is sad. Sometimes it is the humans that behave like animals.  I'm also surprised about all the slanderous statements made by many on here, in writing nonetheless.  Is no one afraid of being sued? 

I joined this forum to meet other Mastiff breeders, but after reading posts from many of you, I don't think I will stay.  That problem is, this seems like a site without moderators... or is this the norm in forums these days where moderators allow flaming and slander and violent talk?
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Posted 07/18/12 at 11:01 PMReply with quote #1718 
I do agree and wonder if one of these posters is a false id.. this conversation is not the norm waiting and posting every few minutes for someone to respond and the remarks about "wanting" her sexually??? attacking extremely knowledgable posters and going on about yourself having nothing to do with dogs?? my post above was in regards to a post quoting mental disorders in an attack on Kazia as if that person is a licensed psychiatrist or something???? Im not defending kazia, I really only know the view presented here and I am not one to judge based on lack of info but do whole heartedly agree with the remorse for the condition and outcome of her dogs. I also commend all those who went out of their way to act in the best interest of the mastiffs affected.
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Posted 07/18/12 at 11:02 PMReply with quote #1719 
abve that was gloria's dogs i meant
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Posted 07/18/12 at 11:27 PMReply with quote #1720 
Pilgrimsmom, I'm sorry, I didn't mean for you to think my last comment was directed at you...  I was referring to the posts long before. Just shocking... I mean someone wrote something about hoping this woman would be sent to prison and gang-raped..  what kind of person even imagines such a thing and wishes for it to happen to them?? That to me is more psycho than the women involved in this mess.  And the poster that talks about gucci clothes and a new bmw yet she's a waitress? Lol.  Really. 
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Posted 07/18/12 at 11:30 PMReply with quote #1721 
I didnt think you meant me but would hate to see someone leave over a few posters arrogance.. I was referring to same posts..
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Posted 07/18/12 at 11:37 PMReply with quote #1722 
Thanks   I'll have a look around.   I don't know what happened to my other comment, it's going vertical rather than horizontal... strange.  Or is it only on my computer?
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Posted 07/21/12 at 02:28 AMReply with quote #1723 
This board is moderated, but read the forum rules you are responsible for what you post, we are all grown ups here, if you choose not to act like one then you bear the responsibility for your own actions. This thread went wayy of course early in the game, but no threads or posts can be deleted any more because of this particular thread and its legal ramifications. its been over two years and we still dont have any information on the where abouts ofGloria Davis.
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Posted 07/28/12 at 10:23 PMReply with quote #1724 
Tracy, has anyone heard any update at all? she went missing and no family or anyone knows if she is ok or not??  the whole story is bizarre
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Posted 07/29/12 at 05:13 PMReply with quote #1725 
No, Gloria is still missing--so the theory by some that "claimed" to know her so well-- that she was hiding out was discarded some time ago. There is an on going homicide investigation--leads are still being investigated.  Gloria's oldest son, Matt, is now involved and follows his mother's case very closely.

 I follow this case very closely--any information given to me is forwarded immediately to Officer Wayne Mills of the Anderson Sheriff's department--I do not post about it any more because I caught enough hell from the haters to consume several lifetimes. If news is released to the public by the investigation--I will copy it here .

No, they are not worried about being sued--a dead person can not  sue the living.  So, basically they can state whatever they wish--any way they wish without fear of recourse--unless someone speaks up for the person in question--the public is left with a distorted view.

I was friends with Gloria for many years--I often felt like she should have been my sister--and we talked and communicated often--right up to her dissapearence--so My opinions and views were based on more recent interactions and a lifetime of association.  Not the hearsay rumor mill of 20+ years ago.  Sadly, too many people only want to hear and believe the worst--and it's those "tales" they spread.

People went out of their way to tarnish my reputation on this forum, with the animal control officials in Anderson,  and with in the mastiff community Because I spoke up--and because I was friends with Gloria.  Well, you were all wrong and I was right--and yes, I will rub it in a few faces because some of you damn well deserve to answer for your actions.

When you speak up and tell them truth--you will always be right--maybe a few of you learned that from this horrible situation.  IF you don't have first hand knowledge--it's just gossip, don't repeat it.  Gossip, hate, and the actions of over zealous busy bodies hindered this investigation. Officer Mills hate to sort through all of this shit to get to the facts he needed.

Gloria was a hard person to know--she did not open up to many--people she thought were her friends has turned on her and  caused her much pain in the past, so she closed up herself and kept to herself.  Often she was direct and blunt with people--she pulled no punches--look at some of her posts on here and you can see how direct she was.  She had no problem calling like she saw it--and that made her many enemies.  In time of crisis--it's the haters who rise to the top to spew forth their opinions to the world.

I spoke up and stated what I believed after I had the opportunity to go and see for myself--and I was right.  So, to hell with all of you who condemned me for speaking up, accused me of lying , and trying to "cover-up" , and  "trying to hide" Gloria.   The story was even spread that I raised a litter of puppies for Gloria and sold them to give her money-- Sadly, people bought it hook, line and sinker --Why?  Because they want to believe and repeat the worst about someone. A few of you still owe me apologies--but I will not hold my breath and wait.

Once I stepped into that death camp--I knew in my heart Gloria was dead--and I have never wavered in my belief since that day. There were others who believed the same, but chose to stand back and not speak up--because they just did not want to become the object of the same type of venom that was directed at me because I DID speak up for Gloria.

I spoke what I knew to be true--and I have and never will regret it. I did what I knew to be right--I stood up for a friend who could not speak for herself.  I saw and learned a different side of many in the Mastiff community--and I will not forget it.  Some of them--I will never be associated with again.  I do not have time in my life for those type of people.

FYI--A female body was found last fall in the area--but the DNA did not match Gloria.  That had been the best lead so far.  The investigation is  focused on finding Gloria's remains--where ever they may be.

Kazia' comes out of hiding ever so often and shows up at a dog show--she has also tried to venture into getting other dog breeds.  Same song and dance--and she soon burns her bridges with her new found friends.  I refer people here and to my blog to read for themselves what was discovered at the Anderson house--they can make their own decisions.

I will never stop looking and searching for new information on this case. I wear a bracelet ever day to remind me Gloria is still missing--and I will continue to wear it until she comes home to her family and friends.

That's what friendship means to me. No response needed.
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Posted 07/29/12 at 07:03 PMReply with quote #1726 
You rock gal ...always did and still do!
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Posted 07/29/12 at 11:14 PMReply with quote #1727 
Can this thread be unpenned?

Is this really the first thing we want new people to read?

The whole thread is very sad.
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Posted 07/30/12 at 12:17 AMReply with quote #1728 
I wouldn't un pin this, some one is missing and more than likely dead, her dogs were left to die by someone living on the property and no answers yet, it's important to those of us who care. 
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Posted 07/30/12 at 12:37 AMReply with quote #1729 
I'm not implying its unimportant at all. It's very important. My thoughts were more along the lines of how new members may perceive old members on this board.
There are a lot of unsavory posts on this thread due to its emotional nature. Some of wich my not be a good impression on a newcomer.
Even the topic of this thread is questionable.
How about a new pinned thread with some photos of Gloria and who to contact if any info is available on her whereabouts?
Just a thought. Not meaning to step on any toes...
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Posted 07/30/12 at 04:04 AMReply with quote #1730 
Cristin, you are really late for this dance.  Too late for the haters to even try and act like decent humans.

Nope--new folks need to know just how some people act toward others. It's the actions people take when some one is down that shows their true nature.  I think  this topic's entire body speaks volumes about a  select few whose ugly side needs to be known by all.

As long as this topic is up--people who google Kazia's name--will find it.  Those who Google Gloria's name will find it--so it serves a purpose.  It keeps this story up to be found by others.

If it offends you--then don't read it.  However, it's a true story and you can see it's ugly evolution right here.  If not for a few who demanded and pushed for the truth--it would have had took a much different direction.
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Posted 07/30/12 at 11:54 AMReply with quote #1731 
There are some threads of glorias dogs.  I still would not unpin the thread, this is life the good the bad and the ugly.
again, gloria is gone her dogs died, and no one has been held accountable.  I know that in my mind she has left this world, and someone is responsible for it. let everyone read it, maybe something from this thread will trigger a result of finding gloria and bring her home to her mother and son
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Posted 07/30/12 at 12:24 PMReply with quote #1732 
I don't think this should ever be unpinned.  Did not know Gloria personally but my heart breaks for her family, the fate of her beloved dogs and her apparent loss of life at the hands of God knows who.

The person responsible for her dog's care is not well in multiple ways and should not have animals and at the very least this thread should pop up when she is googled by the next person.

I lok every time there are updated posts to this thread hoping for some type of closure for Gloria's Family.
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Posted 07/30/12 at 01:44 PMReply with quote #1733 
I've read the entire thread and still couldn't tell you what Gloria or Kazia look like. Either one of them could be my next door neighbor ....
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Then search the Gloria Davis lion hearted dogs thread Gloria's pictsnare on there, google Kaia Marty, there are videos of her out there also
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Posted 07/30/12 at 05:02 PMReply with quote #1735 
I first joined the forum in 2010, so I've been around to watch some of this play out. Parts of it are shocking, sickening and horrifying -- particularly the fates of many of her dogs.  My own personal opinion is that Gloria is dead -- probably murdered -- and from accounts of people such as Catie who did know her best, could not conceivably be responsible for shooting and starving her dogs to death.

I do not think this thread should ever be unpinned -- at the very least not until the mystery is solved and those responsible held accountable. Catie maintains a vigil of sorts for Gloria in her blogs, and I think this thread can and should serve a similar purpose.

In addition to the viciousness and horrifying events and behaviour that were documented in this thread, it also highlighted the actions of people who responded with integrity, compassion and by getting involved -- in saving the remaining dogs, and participating in the heartbreaking task of removing bodies of beloved pets and seeing they were treated and cremated with dignity.

I think we should preserve those actions as well. None of this should be forgotten.
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Posted 07/30/12 at 10:49 PMReply with quote #1736 
I agree, it should NOT be unpinned!
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Posted 08/06/12 at 11:28 PMReply with quote #1737 
I was off this board for about maybe 2 yrs but remember the similar fights between blog site members involving another breeder issue and their website, it was a lot to take in getting through the posts. It got ugly too - legal ugly and most "newbies" which I was back then really had no place to comment.  I DIDNT KNOW THESE PEOPLE...SO Just like Catie said - spreading or adding to rumors, hearsay or what have you..wasnt my place.  I agree with Catie, and I commend you for your devotion to your beloved friend. We all should be thankful if we have our own version of Catie Arnie in our lives. I think all would agree friends like her to Gloria are far and few and a blessing in life.  

I met Gloria at Bucks one year and interacted via this site with her in the past and kazia when she use to do some dog internet show, she interviewed us with Pilgrim at Bucks.  that is the extent of my knowledge of both of them on a personal note. Allot of the comments were shocking and my PERSONAL feelings, very unwarranted.  To remove this thread as if to clean up dirty laundry because you find it discouraging for a newcomer when there is a woman missing that many here knew for years, in many forms - friend, advisor - breeder etc - I can't find the reasoning to justify that.  
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Posted 08/07/12 at 01:24 AMReply with quote #1738 
It's still my opinion that the garbage should be taken out.

People say things that are uncharacteristic of them when in an emotional state. Unfortunately sometimes in written form.

I think if my best friend were missing I would plaster a ton of photos and information anywhere possible.

The dogs are all taken care of now so the focus should be searching for this missing person. Exactly why I suggested a new thread to pinpoint the pertinent information instead of drowning a potential witness in the muck.

Just the opinion of a newb that hasn't met anyone involved ... carry on.
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Posted 08/07/12 at 03:26 PMReply with quote #1739 
Christian, there are legal issues with removing anything about this thread, so here it stays. The focus is still on finding what happened to Gloriaknow for for myself and many others it's always in the back of our minds. Sometimes it comes to the front and we post about it some more. There is someone who knows what happened, and they are not saying anything truthful
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Posted 08/07/12 at 04:59 PMReply with quote #1740 
You know what, I'm going to say my piece and let the chips fall as they may!

Most of us don't associate ourselves with types that might murder us!

Sure, it's possible that Gloria was an innocent victim of a heinous crime and the police sure do need to investigate. But I've found, over a long amount of living, that many hardships are self made!

That also needs to be investigated!

If we associate ourselves with certain types, that may cause us harm, we shouldn't be shocked by the inevitable outcome.

We blame Kazia and others for her disappearance, and perhaps there will be evidence that there is an alleged connection. But this connection did not materialize from the sky. There were prior involvements and Gloria was not a passive persona! 

So as not to be seen as blaming the victim for the alleged crime, I will add that whatever was her undoing, it cannot be justified by anything she had done, no matter how bizarre.

But it might also be wrong to paint a picture of Gloria, as an innocent bystander waiting for a bus, who then disappeared at the bus stop.

Gloria was involved with the very people we now target as alleged suspects.

These relationships did not form overnight and therefore we should not judge this unfortunate conundrum, until all the facts are delivered, if ever!
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Posted 08/08/12 at 01:09 AMReply with quote #1741 
Yes, Steve--lots of women are familiar with the same mind think--i.e. raped women who are accused of "asking " for it because they were in the "wrong place" or wearing" provocative clothing".

Often, victims of crimes don't realize  those close to them are dangerous  or have the potential to harm them--until too late.  We can't answer that because Gloria will never be able to tell   her side of the story or  what happened.

So, quit blaming the victim for the crime.  Any response you have  to me--act like an adult and take it private.
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Posted 08/08/12 at 03:32 AMReply with quote #1742 

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Posted 08/08/12 at 12:38 PMReply with quote #1743 
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So, quit blaming the victim for the crime. Any response you have to me--act like an adult and take it private.


Cathy, I clearly stated............"So as not to be seen as blaming the victim for the alleged crime, I will add that whatever was her undoing, it cannot be justified by anything she had done, no matter how bizarre."

Cathy, you certainly don't set the rules on posting. If you publicly respond to me, why is it that I'm supposed to respond to you only in private!
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Posted 08/08/12 at 12:44 PMReply with quote #1744 
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raped women who are accused of "asking " for it because they were in the "wrong place" or wearing" provocative clothing".


The freedom to do as you please, if legal, is not in question.

Good judgment is at issue, and although you have the right to walk through lion country carrying a piece of raw meat, it doesn't mean it's advisable, or prudent!
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Posted 08/08/12 at 02:50 PMReply with quote #1745 
as always--you're right Steve. How did any of us ever manage before without your thoughtful insight?  
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Posted 08/08/12 at 03:34 PMReply with quote #1746 
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong!

People say I've got no taste, but I like you!
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Posted 08/08/12 at 03:44 PMReply with quote #1747 
Many people go through life with poor judgement, some don't know any better, some Learn it at their parents knees, some are just oblivious to the right choice, but they never deserve to die for the choices of friends that they made. Those friends probably didn't start out being at their worst, it's how everyone gets sucked into bad relationships. 
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Posted 08/08/12 at 04:58 PMReply with quote #1748 
I agree! The key is in knowing when to remove yourself from such toxic relationships.

In some instances, a lifestyle may complicate the ability to easily extract oneself from their surroundings, or from close co-dependent relationships.
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
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Posted 08/09/12 at 01:43 AMReply with quote #1749 
If it were only that easy Steve, that kind of talk sounds good on paper, but bad marriages, abusive relationships, child abusers, and bad buisiness relationships all start out with good intentions,and people get in deep, sometimes fatally before anything happens to make them walk away, some never do, because there is an entire science involved in those thast stay in those relationships, decling self worth, isolation, blame assigning by the abuser ect. Sometimes logic and affairs of the heart and buisiness do not follow the same path, no matter how much those of us on the outside beieve they should.
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Posted 08/09/12 at 11:37 AMReply with quote #1750 
Once again, I agree!

But at some point, responsibility cannot be shifted to another, no matter how deep one gets into the co-dependency.

Difficult relationships do not exonerate culpability. Certainly in child abuse situations, we rarely sympathize with the guardian, who has neglected to protect the child under their care. We can understand the forces that may have led up to the abuse and the co-dependent nature of the relationship, which inhibited protective action on the part of the caregiver, yet we should not become blinded by the weakness that existed in the caregiver and the subsequent failure in protecting the child.

In other words, whether it be children, or pets, guardians must be held accountable, to a degree, for their actions, lack of actions, or relationships, which may lead to disasters!
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" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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