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The bulldog is a monstrosity of canine flesh

The bulldog is a great example of what the dog fancy does to dogs.

This animal didn’t always look like a toad.

It was once a fairly nice animal that could move efficiently and cool itself properly in all kinds of weather.

I have run into a bout of trolls on this blog who seem to have taken offense to the simple fact that I’ve written that this breed is unbelievably fucked up.

Most of these commentators are poorly educated British people. In Britain, it doesn’t get hot and humid for extended periods of time like it does over here, and when it does, the bulldogs drop like flies.

Normal dogs can put up with some heat. They have good cooling mechanisms because they have normal muzzles and proper amounts of soft palate tissue. They also don’t a have scrunched up airways.

Dogs cool themselves through the airways. That’s what panting is.

Making it so a dog can’t properly cool itself in this fashion would be like creating a person who cannot sweat.

I guarantee you if you couldn’t sweat, you’d be quite miserable whenever the temperature got above 75 degrees.

But it’s okay to make dogs miserable. They are so cute with their flat-faces, eh?

Never mind that brachycephalic dogs are further encumbered with increased risk of a certain tumors called chemodectomas.  These tumors are caused by bracycephaly.  They are caused because the dogs have what has been termed “chronic asphyxiation.” They never properly oxygenate their bodies, and this causes damage to their chemoreceptors, which then results in the formation of tumors.

Ah, but none of you people care about this.

You’ll throw out the old bromide that say “My dog’s fine. Your wrong.”

To be honest with you, that’s not an argument.

At all.

It’s a stupid argument by stupid people who don’t understand I’m not talking about your single dog or your limited breeding program.

I am talking about the breed as a whole.

It is a definite, scientifically proven, absolute fact that the bulldog’s conformation is the main cause of almost all of its health problems.

And yes, these dogs do require C-sections to whelp, rape wracks or AI to mate, and special care to keep alive.

I don’t really care about the British bulldog fancy and what it’s doing. It might be doing some positive things to reduce exaggeration.

But I hate to tell you this:

Most bulldogs don’t live in your country.

Most actually live in mine.

And in my country, the standard has not been changed and will not be changed.

The dogs still almost always require a C-section to whelp.

They can’t mate naturally.

And they die like flies whenever they are left out in temperatures above 65 degrees.

Is this an animal we should be celebrating?

Are these breeders we should laud as ethical?

If you do, then you’re too batshit even attempt to comment here.

And I’m going to call you out on it, whether you cluck like a bunch of hens or not.

You people make me sick to my stomach.

I feel the same way about you as I do about Michael Vick.

Actually, you’re worse than Michael Vick because he never claimed to be the savior and guardian of a breed.

He just fought them for money.

You claim this title for yourself, and you continue to produce a defective, miserable animal that really shouldn’t be allowed to exist as it does.

If you can’t see that, then you’re delusional fools, and there is not a snowball’s chance in hell for your breed.

You sadistic pieces of shit.

Shame on you!


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I have to say being pretty involved with bulldogs thru rescue, and owning a few, they are a pretty messed up breed. Wayy  prone to respitory issues, crappy immune systems, blow out knees easily, and about half have crappy temperaments. At dog shows they are always on first thing, cooled by fans, cool coats, and sprays right from getting out of the car. And you do see a few drop over at shows, pretty sad.
That being said, I have one here now that can and will stay out in 100 degree weather chasing lizards in the yard, never seems to tire or overheat, but blessed with a terrible disposition. one dog show and he was neutered right after, has to be put away when people come over because of it.  The reason he has so much stamina? because he is not what would win in the ring, his nose is longer, he lacks that bulldog head peice.  he reminds me more of the old english bulldogge.

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just as another note, another breed close to the bulldog the french bulldog also suffers for breeding pleasures. The french bulldog in england and france was a larger hardier dog. The frenchies now seening the ring are so short, that you see alot of spinal issues in the breed, as a matter of fact, the spines should be xrayed for ofa, the spines on some dont come together ending up like a canine spina bifida, many many cleft pallets ect.
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You all know how I feel about this whole topic and I couldn't agree more!!!!!
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I don't think anyone on this board breeds Bulldogs. I only know of one mastiff
person who occasionally has a litter of Bulldogs. So, is this a topic of discussion you want raised here?

If so, why?


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I echo Dixie's questions.
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There are many mastiff owners on this board that also own bulldogs - I personally know of quite a few. Anyhows, the discussion helps us to understand why we should now breed mastiffs with super short noses.
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It never hurts to understand why a breed has gone down a particular path conformation wise, it can affect our breed when certian trends are followed, ie to tall height, overdone heads ect, and what effect it will have on the breed down the line. There are more than a few mastiff people with bulldogs, and frenchies also


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The posted blog is, for the most part, factually correct in terms of the consequences of breeding for exaggerated features (i.e. extreme brachiocephalic heads) in English Bull dogs -- and I do see the relevance/potential dangers  for our mastiffs, which is certainly worthy of discussion.

However, I must say that I found the personalised, emotional invective directed toward the British people quite offensive and unnecessary to an objective conversation about a truly valid issue.


 

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 You people make me sick to my stomach.

I feel the same way about you as I do about Michael Vick.

Actually, you’re worse than Michael Vick because he never claimed to be the savior and guardian of a breed.

He just fought them for money.

You sadistic pieces of shit.

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REALLY?!!!

 

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But I hate to tell you this:

Most bulldogs don’t live in your country.

Most actually live in mine.

And in my country, the standard has not been changed and will not be changed

 






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The fact is that following several studies done in England and the BBC documentary    saved.html?pagewanted=allp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/, as well as a great deal of public debate the (UK) Kennel Club HAS changed its standards to emphasise/recognise a longer muzzle. Crufts has also implemented a veterinary check for issues created by extreme features before a dog can be awarded a ribbon/points.

The AKC thus far has done nothing! How is this the British breeders' fault?

Here is an article -- quite objective and not laden with emotion, that does shed some light on WHY there is a preference for extremely flat faced dogs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/magazine/can-the-bulldog-be-

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PS: This same sensitive blogger posted a subsequent blog in which he declared he would henceforth call the English Bulldog the 'Toaddog'. He also posted a lovely video of trapping and killing a  silver fox,
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Oops, I stand corrected by Retrieverman...it was a GREY fox, not a silver fox. Huge apologies!

And here is a response to our discussion from Retrieverman:

 

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I should note that no one has refuted a thing I’ve written about toaddogs.

Not a word.

They can’t.

So what they do is throw nice little tantrums and hope someone gives a flying fig.

They are so caught up in my foul mouth, which I readily admit that I have, that they’ve refused to address any of the cogent points I’ve made in any posts about the breed.

And if you want to compare cruelty between bulldog faddists and fox trappers, well, the bulldog faddists are much more cruel.

The only human-inflicted discomfort a fox feels is the few hours it’s caught in the trap.  The dispatch, in this case with .22, is humane and quick.

A bulldog suffers its entire life because it’s been bred to be so deformed.

That’s years of not being able to breathe or cool itself properly. Years of hip dysplasia. Years of poor oxygenation. Years of skin infections.

I could go on.

But if you think you’re going to destroy my arguments by suggesting some hypocrisy in my impassioned defense of hunting, fishing, and trapping and my passionate attacks on dog breeder stupidity, you’re sorely mistaken.

I’ve got my arguments lined out.

They are logical.

Yours aren’t.

That’s why you must come on  here act like a bunch of nattering nabobs of negativity on my blog.

You don’t have any arguments.

 


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