I think he's a gorgeous boy and it's a shame the pieds and fluffies aren't acceptable to the standard. Thanks for posting the pic, I always enjoy seeing the pieds and the fluffies.

Emily was a CH.Meriwether Mojo Man daughter. Mojo was known to through pieds, or excessive white. He was apricot.

Dozer's sire River Bull also had thrown pieds. So unknowingly, when I bred Emily to Dozer, I doubled up on the pied gene.

But, I do not regret that it happened. I learned something new, & the pieds were placed in pet homes. Kodiak was a sweet awesome boy, & was even featured in a newspaper article. He was very good with kids, & all people.

He is also pictured in the Molosser site under rare colors.

1. He's beautiful!

2. OMG now you guys are just taunting S.O. and if he jumps in and starts loading up the site with photos of St. Bernards again I'm not stepping in this time (not that you asked me to...)

OMG what a beauty!!  I personally would JUMP at the chance to get a pied....

THAT is a gorgeous puppy!! Whatever color it is or is not!  What a sweetheart...

CH DEER RUN EZEKIEL  is in the background!

and Wycliff!

Linda

I think you used too much of your Bleach/Dreft/Blueing formula on that puppy!!!!

Tell us about him/her? I would never be able to walk away from a pup like that - what an awesome head.

So Steve, you are saying that a Deer Run dog 6 generations back on one side of the pedigree caused that coloration?

. NM

ugh my fave discussion...DEER RUN!

So Im going to do just that...RUN! lol

Mitzi your heart is in the right place, but your history is flawed!

The mastiff was introduced along with the Newf into the Alpine dogs at the hospice, not the other way around!

The existing Alpine dogs were "piebald" ( see photos of Barry )

DR ( strongly rumored ) used Saints and perhaps Great Danes in their breeding programs to increase size. 

Any expression today of pies, especially coming from pedigrees filled with DR background, should raise flags!

You're new and need to do lots of research. Good that you question!

S.O.

Linda those pups are outstanding. You are so right I would own one that looks like that in a heart beat. Hear is a question. If you take a mastiff with the bone head and structure that pass all health test and the dogs only flaw is the color of the coat why not keep it. There are dogs that have correct coats but many other lacks and flaws and yet their color is excepted so they can be bred. some people look past the other flaws. Why not look past the color flaw. I feel they are very uneak and very eye ketching.And if there is no written proof there coloring came from another breed how do we know that they were not meant to have that coloring in them.

Linda, Is the first picture Gwenstones Dior??  I love her head and her bone in that picture.  If ir is her she has puppies on the ground now, nice structure on them as well.

That is so interesting that she has puppies on the ground.  She is unbelievably beautiful.  Tell us about them...what colors are they?

Jennifer

You are right about loving her Linda!!  She has the nicest head.  i tried to Talk carl into sending the boy  puppy to me, but it was a big no go! LOL!!!

Hey Linda, thought they had no Deer Run? This is to funny, or was it the 1st. pic with no DR. who is the 1st pup out of? or can you tell us?

OMG, that pup was BEAUTIFUL!!!! I would want one in a heartbeat!!! A friend of mine had mentioned the pied to me and I hadn't seen one, they are really beautiful.

Hey Jake, since you are so interested in that pied pup's pedigree, why not contact her breeder ? Carl in Belgium.

I'm sure he will be happy to give you all the details regarding Dior as well as her background.

Why if you new she had Deer Run, why did you say she didn't, when I think you already new she did, so why didn't you just say so, take's 2 pied gene's too make a pied not 1, how much do you sell your pied's for? I would find a good home for them and give them away.    Jake

Jake, if you want to toy with Linda feel free---You know why she will not be able to find a picture and so do I.  The breeders of the past were much more responsible.  They were put down at birth.  Many breeds are put down at birth when they are not correct.  I don't like designer dogs.  I have never had a pied and never want it to happen.  Breeders today are too soft in the heart, they want to save everything.  Talk to the Dalmatian people and others, they have to cull all the time.  You all won't like to hear this, but the old breeders before us did what they needed to do.  Too great a chance that the "pet" would be breed and of course the embarrassment.  In fact,, in reality all of the pups would have been removed from the face of this earth and that breeding would never been done again.  So Jake your right she won't find the pic.  Congratulations you won. 

Jake,

   As in my post above to you, I stated, she thought there was no DR, she never said there was not. It is not her dog. So she spent some time on the computer last night looking up the answer.  It is a dog from out of this country and was not easy to do. So the baiting continues. Either you have trouble retaining what you read or you hear what you want to hear or you don't care and just want to keep taking shots at Linda. 

Jake - I was sincerely not trying to mislead anyone. I did not think the beautiful pied puppy that I posted had any DR in her pedigree. I researched for you since you wanted to know for sure (so did I) and found the information on the link I posted. There was more posted as I remember reading several years ago but I could not find it. If I can find more in the future I will post the links so you can read it.

The very young picture of the pied puppy was one born to my Sam. She was a beautiful puppy. She was not put down but she was sold with no papers and to be spayed, which she was. She is loved and adored by her human family and is sound and healthy. She is a big, beautiful girl and her owners are very proud of her.

Based on my understanding of pied genetics ( and I'm not a geneticist ) the "true" piebald recessive, if aligned to certain polymorphic alleles with positive modifiers, could produce the piebald pup, even though one parent possessed the "true" piebald gene.

If this is possible, then if the DR dog was the carrier of the pied gene, it could have produced the pied pup, even though bred to a non piebald recessive.

Either:

(i) The non DR dog carried the polymorphic alleles plus the pos. modifiers.

(ii) The non DR dog had a true piebald recessive unrelated to DR lineage.

(iii) The non DR dog had a flawed pedigree.

(iv) Or none of the above.

It depends on what one wishes to conclude or believe!

S.O.

Steve, check that link again