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Quote: A true revolutionary, would invite the exploration!It's "tasteless" only because you fear the possibilities!
A "true" revolutionary LOL
Steve humans can be very vile - you know that and I know that.
What did I think of the video? As if I would share these thoughts in public LOL
I spent my juvenile years ruining rich ladies fur coats and gluing locks to fur stores. picketing fur trade shows and postering gruesome images all over town.....
What I don't understand is why we don't use those millions of dogs and cats that we kill each year to feed and clothe the homeless?
(that was a bad joke BTW) See I know how to be tasteless too - just trying to make a point.
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Good on you Angie, I applaud what you did. Should be more of it
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Angie,
The point is in finding out the facts, so that we don't have to behave as though we believe one thing and yet say another!
I don't believe that the domesticated dog can still change because of hormonal influences due to temperament passivity.
That's why they are called "domesticated", it's been already changed!
Carl's earlier premise discussed the idea that it is impossible to control type, because of the video you showed.
My counterpoint, was that feral dogs and domesticated dogs breed differently and although the feral animal may exhibit radical changes, once man intervenes in breeding only the passive ones, the domesticated dog will not have that kind of hormonal expression changing type.
That is why I introduced the affect in humans as an example. Using your premise, it would reason that people with more melanin would be more aggressive than those with lesser amounts.
If this is not the case, then your fox example cannot be valid for domesticated dogs, or humans!
On the other hand, domesticated honey bees do have different behaviors compared to their Africanized cousins. Is that behavior based on hormones, genes, or something else?
The main point being, if we don't ask questions, no matter how sensitive to some, we only fool ourselves!
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Quote: I don't believe that the domesticated dog can still change because of hormonal influences due to temperament passivity.
It's really too bad I couldn't find the recent research article about color and temperament traits ... passivity is just one single temperament trait - research has shown us that color can and does play a role in canine temperament.
If you breed for particular temperament and the results alter color why not presume that breeding for color might very well alter temperament? Not discounting nurture of course and it's role in temperament as well.
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Janine said that Dozer was just like her other Mastiffs in temperament but what I'm hypothesizing on is that perhaps if pieds were selectively bred consistently and consecutively over a period of 10 gens or so that we might witness an alteration in temperament with these "specimens" - this is not the Mastiff fancier in me speaking but the curious "mad" scientist.
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Awwww i saw that lil baby and she/he is adorable. almost reminds you of a St Bernard.
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We have a litter of 10, 8 weeks old on Valentines Day. They are CKC registered. Are these "Pied"? http://www.kathlyn.me We have the mom & dad.
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They are adorable. If I had one I would name it Piper. My pied Piper. Sweet puppy breath.
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nope, you have a dane in the woodpile somehere, the coloring on them is merle which is found in danes and never in mastiffs. The pieds are red/white, or brown white, and brindle/white. Look at the nose on the one, the color is grey/spots ect, that is merle. You can have as many fathers as you have puppies if you do not have the girl isolated for the entire breeding period
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I have never seen a pied Mastiff before and to me it looks very much like it has a link to the St Bernard? I have worded this as carefully as I could as I don't wish to offend any one. Susie 
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That looks like Kathy Babbins handeling. He was a pretty good dog for his time - Mastiffs have changed a lot since then. Not to start a war, but I would bet $$$ that Ezekiel was not the true sire of many of the dogs that were accredited to him.
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As far as pieds go - I wish I had one!
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We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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I have read this whole thread and I can hardly believe my eyes. I had no idea, in this day and age, that breeders would actually kill puppies on the basis of their COLOUR! It's hardly a "fault" or "incorrect" if everything else about the puppy conforms to the Mastiff standard. And it's even more incredulous that some of you even attempt to justify this by repeatedly citing "the Mastiff standard" or "conformation" or "betterment" of the breed. Someone at some point decided pied wasn't popular enough and eliminated it (or at least tried to). I'm sorry, but that is just too ridiculous. There is no rational excuse for killing puppies or even sterilizing them because of a slight cosmetic difference. A wider variety of colours is not going to affect the Mastiff breed, other than forcing breeders to concentrate on far more important factors in breeding, such as health, bone structure and temperament. No one person here appears to have even expressed a huge amount of surprise at one breeder's admission of aesthetic euthanasia on this forum, let alone the abhorrence and disgust a normal person would likely feel.
I doubt whether I will visit or post on this forum again after reading what I read, so feel free to direct vitriolic comments my way. It's just that I won't give a shit. It's probable I shall be too busy hugging my imperfect Mastiff and "mutts".
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It would be helpful if you could point out the post that advocates killing pieds. I don't believe I saw that and would be interested in seeing what was said.
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Gosh, I hate to say this but I agree with Steve. I didn't see that either. It's a fault plain and simple. I personally see nothing wrong with fluffs either and I certainly wouldn't dream of "culling" them no matter what. Same with Pieds.
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There was one person who said they had culled pied pups simply because of their colour. I do not believe anyone at all condoned it and said so.
This culling also happened a long time ago, the breeder stated that if she had more pied pups born she would not do it again.
It was certainly not something that was applauded by anyone.
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if you look at post 41 it alludes to past practises in mastiffs and present ongoing practises in dalmations also post 146 australian breeder hunzeal destroyed 3 pied pups so helene is correct in her observation of this thread
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Quote: Registered: Member deleted Posts: N/A | Posted 07/26/06 at 02:25 AM | #41 |
| Jake, if you want to toy with Linda feel free---You know why she will not be able to find a picture and so do I. The breeders of the past were much more responsible. They were put down at birth. Many breeds are put down at birth when they are not correct. I don't like designer dogs. I have never had a pied and never want it to happen. Breeders today are too soft in the heart, they want to save everything. Talk to the Dalmatian people and others, they have to cull all the time. You all won't like to hear this, but the old breeders before us did what they needed to do. Too great a chance that the "pet" would be breed and of course the embarrassment. In fact,, in reality all of the pups would have been removed from the face of this earth and that breeding would never been done again. So Jake your right she won't find the pic. Congratulations you won. |
First off, this member has been deleted. Next, it's just one poster's point of view. Culling does not involve killing in today's world. It still may go on, but that's immoral in my view, especially when it's based on fashion.
In a free society, free thoughts can be expressed. We don't have to agree with them, but no reason to condemn an entire forum for posting opinions & truths that are being expressed by a few posters, whom many would disagree with.
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No Dave, Helene is incorrect in her observation. Yes, the culling of the three pups happened, but it was NOT ignored and it was NOT condoned. Hunzeal said she would not do it again.
If Helene chooses not to be part of the forum due to misreading or understanding what was written on this thread that is her decision, we cannot be responsible for what happens with dalmations nor white GSD's for that matter, I only hope that in THIS day and age people are more open minded and this practice is in the past. No puppy deserves to die because of some cosmetic fault.
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Because they were lying. Big difference.
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Darn, I went off topic on this one. Back to Pieds...no, I'd never "cull" a puppy unless it had a quality of life issue (cleft palate for example). I've heard of breeders doing this years ago, but hopefully humanity has advanced to the point that we know better now.
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since this thread is about pied mastiffs you two need to take your issue somewhere else. I will speak to Linda in the am about deleting the posts that are wayyyyy off track on this thread.
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Done Tracy! Thanks.
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Thank you Steve!
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| Quote: "Color-Fawn with black ears and muzzle or good brindles equal PIEDS are admissible and EQUAL FOR PURITY"
"Color-Fawn with black ears and muzzle or good brindles equal; pieds are admissible and equal for purity- award no points for color."
The above is a bit different than what you posted!
In my excerpt, there is a semicolon after equal. It also claims no points for color. In the 1886 version, Wynn's scale of points was added to the standard and color does get 5 points. The 1890 standard added apricot, silver fawn, or dark fawn brindle and removed pieds.
One can argue, that the way Wynn structured the original sentence, meant that fawns & good brindles were equal, but pieds were not as equal in color, yet considered equal in purity. Stating that pieds were admissible, gives permission of acceptance, but it is not an endorsement. His exclusion of points for color, early on, shows his personal indifference to it's value, even though there seems to be preferences in color by his wording.
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the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.
We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Some speculation being brought to the table.
Domestication gives rise to piebald coloring and perhaps it may account for the pieds showing up occasionally in Mastiffs. If hormonal influences can trigger mutations, then one can speculate, that continued domestication can alter set color values and give rise to the pied phenomenon. If we could extend this speculation even further, it might supplant the recessive theories, broadly viewed at present, as the sole contributory factor in the pied expression. Many foxes became undershot as well.
One can counter this speculation by stating that the Mastiff has already been domesticated and therefore, the pied must be coming in through other means. This may indeed be valid, but one can counter that counter, by recognizing that man has inhibited the expression of color by manual controls, due to selective breeding. If allowed to fully express, perhaps the pied would not be the exception, but the rule!
Still just pure speculation, but needed to be said.
This is said in lieu of the studies done from the following source, with excerpts attached.
http://hum.utah.edu/~bbenham/2510%20Spring%2009/Behavior%20Genetics/Farm-Fox%20Experiment.pdf
Quote: Figure 3. Piebald coat color is one of the most striking
mutations among domestic animals. The pattern is
seen frequently in dogs (border collie, top right), pigs,
horses and cows. Belyaev’s hypothesis predicted that
a similar mutation he called Star, seen occasionally in
farmed foxes, would occur with increasing frequency
in foxes selected for tamability. The photograph
above shows a fox in the selected population with the
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The normal pattern
of coat color that had evolved as camouflage in
the wild altered as well. Many domesticated
animals are piebald
Quote: Figure 7. Changes in the foxes’ coat color were the
first novel traits noted, appearing in the eighth to
tenth selected generations. The expression of the
traits varied, following classical rules of genetics. In
a fox homozygous for the Star gene, large areas of
depigmentation similar to those in some dog breeds
are seen (top). In addition some foxes displayed the
brown mottling seen in some dogs, which appeared
as a semirecessive trait.
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**it might supplant the recessive theories through crosses
corrected in the above*
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Or perhaps (again just speculation), 'domestication-related' pied colouring manifested in much earlier generations of common fore-bearers of the modern mastiff and other closely related breeds such as St. Bernards. I notice some people on this and other threads have used the terms, "Alpine mastiff' and 'St. Bernard' interchangeably. However, from reading the known history of the St. Bernard, it appears that the Alpine Mastiff is a key ancestor. These dogs (and the current extant albeit rare Cane Garouf off shout) expresses coat colours definitely including pied.
The Alpine Mastiff or Cane Garouf was introduced into Mastiff lines through Couchez, amongst others
From what I have read, the monks of St. Bernard Hospice originally brought Alpine Mastiffs to provide companionship through the brutal winters, and eventually the monks observed that the dogs seemed to have a great ability to follow tracks and give early warning of avalanches. Hence their use as rescue dogs. However another salient point (although conjecture) is that these dogs became increasingly inbred, which no doubt produced the phenotype which became known as the St. Bernard.
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Quote: The Alpine Mastiff or Cane Garouf was introduced into Mastiff lines through Couchez, amongst others
These introductions must be used com grano salis, as the origin of foundations are built on sand.
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cum grano salis...typo
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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kcornel4
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Sorry, actually meant to say 'some believe', but this is all speculative conjecture (if there can be any non-speculative conjecture lol), in any case. If playing in sand, why not try out some sand castles or sculpures.
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SteveOifer
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Short term gratifications, but we all know what happens to sand castles, when the reality of the tide comes in.
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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SteveOifer
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Pied German Shepherd
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Well, as sand castles are exercises in creativity, the immediate gratification can be quite satisfying and recapturable, however ephemeral it is. In the meanwhile, one can continue to seek other components (new findings, facts) to begin rendering the sand castle and its foundation in concrete.
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Some plans for foundations just are what they are, until new technologies are developed to determine better methods in securing stronger footings.
Better to occupy one's time with more achievable goals, as photographing the sandcastle is only two dimensional.
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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