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I left Benson this morning at 7AM. He ate his breakfast and seemed completely normal. I came home at lunch to feed him and let him out. The room he stays in was filled with vomit, stool and blood. I rushed him to his vet. His temp was normal, normal hydration and seemed ok. I could tell he was a little "off" but to them he seemed in good spirits. No visible tenderness of the belly and the X-ray showed no blockage. I left him at the vet for 2 hours to see how he progressed. He did ok at the vet, drinking and awake and alert. They sent off some bloodwork that will be back at 10AM and sent him home with some bland food. Once home, he continued to produce bloody stool as soon as we got home. There isn't much in his system so his stools have been mostly blood and mucous. Of course, my first thought was a blockage of some sort. I did pull a used fabric softner sheet out of his mouth this morning but he got about 3/4 of it swallowed. The Vet didn't seem to think that would cause a blockage and not that quick. Benson is 4 months old and was perfectly fine yesterday, last night and this morning. Any ideas? The vet mentioned that she hopes its not an infection like parvovirus. |
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Did the vet prescribe any drugs like metronidazole? Has Benson been vaccinated for Lepto ? I just took a look at your profile and see you are located in a Lepto outbreak area. The symptoms are similar to a lighter case of parvo. If left untreated deadly
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My old vet has relocated to your area. Dr Scott Dieter working at Advanced in Holiday I think. The phone is 727-938-6879. He knows the breed and is great at diagnosing freaky diseases. You might want to consult with him
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He had his 1st of 2 Lepto Vaccines on 3/24. The only medication she prescribed was for nausea and an antiobotic injection. |
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Won't the CBC w/differential - T330 reveal that or at least determine if there is an infection of some sort? |
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He was vaccinated against Parvo at 8,11 and 14 weeks. Can he still contract the disease? |
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could be gastroenteritis - a bacterial infection in the gut. Just went through this = no temp, vomiting, bloody diarrhea, soon very dehydrated. We had just had a new batch of elk antlers from a new source. Vet who treated experienced it from a collection of bones her dog had been gathering for some years. Bacterial mimics symptoms of parvo - which of course should be eliminated as a possibility as well as corona virus. __________________ http://www.kyniska.com |
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If the vaccine was valid and not recalled there shouldn't be a prob. Take the shot record to the vet with the batch #'s - they can look up the recalls. Do you know if the puppy shot were given by a vet or purchased at like a tractor supply or farm supply - never a good idea. They could have been over heated or frozen while someone wasn't paying attention.
Bacterial infections of any kind are very serious that young. Have him checked for parvo and corona specifically. quick action makes all the difference. Watch his gums for dehydration. That is the biggest thing I've found to watch for just everything that can go wrong. Some of these guys don't run a temp until they are in very serious condition - do pay attention tonight. And best of luck - someone used to be on this board at all hours. |
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I would also have a titer done to make sure all his vaccines are currently working if you don't find anything else. It could give you some peace of mind for some of the more serious things. |
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His breeders vet did the 1st parvo vaccine at 8 weeks, then my vet did the 11 and 14 week vaccines. I should mention that Benson is a house dog and we live in a residential area. He is never outside alone as he is a stick / wood chip vaccum |
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mmmmm, I'll have to lean toward somekind of bacterial infection then and it could be anything anywhere. The boys not as much as girls and of course these guys won't show any sign of where they hurt even if you poke on them. Just keep a watch on his gums and make sure they stay pink. If he won't drink you can give him water thru a syringe if you have one. Before I knew what to keep on hand I've used a turkey baster. Dehydration is the worst thing - he'll make it a day or so with no food but not with no water. Your vet will have a better idea in the morning with the test for bacteria. Oh and they do get 24 hr viruses too and then I always feel like an idiot . . . you'll do fine. Just check him every couple of hours and keep him plumped up with water. You didn't find any holes in him anywhere did you? Between toes maybe? Watch for a rash too. Staph causes vomiting and the runs - I'm not sure about bloody runs, but he'll get a rash too - generally starts on the lower belly but it can be anywhere even inside their ears or eyes on the other end.
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sorry - or the other end. I know - I didn't even think to check there until the vet showed me . . . lol |
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. . . and it's probably not him eating a fabric softener sheet. All mine would be goners from them in that case. They act like they are delicaties from the dryer - I have to be quick and I'm not good at chasing them anymore. I can normally only get a piece of them back now days. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by HalHe was vaccinated against Parvo at 8,11 and 14 weeks. Can he still contract the disease? Yes __________________ Terri Perkins
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He would eat a full meal if I offered it to him and he's drinking as well. I'm giving him a couple tablspoons of the bland diet from the vet every couple hours and he loves it - begging for more, so I'm not worried about dehydration at this point. It's just crazy how quickly this came on and to not have an appetite / drinking problem is very strange to me, considering how sick he is. |
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Hal

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He went thru the night without any bowl movements. He is getting 2 Tablespoons of the bland food every 2-3 hours and he loves it. Wahtever it is, his appetite is completely unaffected. He does seem to be drinking less than usual. He is not himself, he's very mopey and reserved. We get the blood results at about 10AM and we'll go from there. Thanks for asking and I'll post what I find out later today. |
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Bloodwork showed an elevated white cell count so they are going to put him on an antibiotics to treat some sort of bacterial infection. |
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almost sounds like garbage gut, when they have eaten something rotten, like dead frog lizard ect.( white count elevated would supoort this) I normally withhold food for 24 hours, anti's and pedialyte in the water bowl, start back with a bland food, boiled hamburger and rice works well, then slowly incorporate the kibble back in. __________________ Ranchlands Mastiffs
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I am hoping that it's only his tummy that is upset. I did not know that there was a Lepto outbreak in the area. Do you know where the cases have been found? I know that there is a great dog park in Clearwater that wonders thru the woods and the one in Tampa on Occident has lots of squirrels. I've been using dryer balls and just using downy in the wash. The balls have been easier to get from their mouths and they work great with getting more hair off of the clothes. |
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That could be it Tracy. We definitely have a lot of lizards and frogs. The only time he is out by himself is on our pool deck which is attached to a covered porch and the house but our screen enclsoure has many breaches in it with easy access for Lizards, frogs, butterfly, etc.... We're renovating our entire pool area with a new screen enslosure as well so eventually that won't be a problem. But for now, when he is out there, which is not too much, he has his nose to the ground eating whatever is on the deck. |
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They put him on 500mg of Amoxicillin twice a day for 7 days. Hopefully that, along with the anti nausea and anti diarhea, will do the trick. I'm surprised Amoxicillin was the drug of choice but maybe I shouldn't be. |
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Benson seems to be perking up just a little. Weird thing is his appetite is huge and I feel terrible keeping him to a few tablespoons of food every 3-4 hours. He is really craving more. He just keeps licking his bowl, but he wont drink. I'm putting water in his food and he eats / drinks it all but won't drink any staright water. Has anyone experienced a situation like this where the appetite is completely unaffected but unwilling to drink water? By the way, I want to thank everyone for their input and advice. |
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None of mine will drink when they don't feel good - that's why I do the syringe thing. Glad they think it's just bacterial. And you could probably feed if him you want to clean up the mess - it's probably more of a convenience thing for me I've always thought, kinda like little kids. Most of us start them back on either a hamburger/rice gruel or chicken/rice gruel because they need the liquid so bad and are so hungry. I've done the crackers/toast chicken soup in a can thing too . . . when I didn't have time to cook anything or they just needed such a little bit until it wasn't worth cooking anything quite yet. Just make sure it's not real solid and not very much at a time or pay the price in the clean up. So glad he's doing better. Was so worried about him - mine eat gecko's and the bigger one's cause so much trouble . . . ick!!!! But the puppies do grow out of it or all of mine have anyway. Again, so glad he is on the mend.
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We had an American bulldog that did that for his whole life ( 5 years) , did so many tests on him, the vet could never find anything wrong with him. Just had to deal with it. He did end up losing weight, no matter what we fed him, came out running and bloody and mucusy ( sp ). Maybe something like IBS in humans __________________ Sue Havelka |
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Benson is doing better today. He's back to moving around a little more. I've been sleeping on the couch with Benson on the floor next to me. I woke my son, who is 8 yrs old, this mornng for school and he told me he woke up last night to see Benson with his head on the bed just staring at him. He's still not himself of course but I can see an improvement for sure. I just wish I new exactly what the problem is and what caused it. I don't have to offer flavored ice cubes or anything like that because he's getting enough water by what I mix with his food. I put enough water in to make it like soup and he drinks every last drop, but he won't bother with his water bowl. This from a puppy who tradtionally has taken a drink almost every time he would pass by the water bowl. Once again, thank you to everyone. |
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try the pedialyte mixed in the water half and half. my dogs love the fruit flavor. You can start dribbling water in his mouth by syringe, but hold the syringe to the side, and make sure he is swallowing. take two fingers and pick up his coat from the body, if it doesnt "snap back" into pace he is dehydrated, ( ie if it stays tented up after you bring it up) and you need to get more fluid into him. __________________ Ranchlands Mastiffs
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I've been watching him closely for dehydation and he's doing ok. I just picked his skin up this morning and it didn't tent at all. He hasn't vomited since Monday morning and he's only had 3 small pudding style poops since Monday night so he's not losing any hydration that way. I'll try the pedialyte today and let you know how it goes. |
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Benson really seems to have turned the corner today. He had his first formed stool. I know the anti diarrhea medication is probably the reason, but still.... He is chasing his tail, playing with the kids and really perking up. He actually took a couple sips of straight water. He is skinny and looking to eat whatever I can give him, but we'll take it slow. |
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Thanx for sharing your story Hal. I learned a few things. Glad to hear Benson is feeling better! __________________ Christin
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Hey Hal ~
Just read thru the whole history and Sooooo Very happy of your last post! It is good to always keep some pedialyte on hand for dehydration issues. Please keep me posted as I worry about the Handsome guy!
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I'm gald to report that Benson is 100% back. He will finish his antibiotics on Monday, but he is eating, drinking and pooping on a regular schedule now. I can't imagine what caused this, but I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that I'll never know and move on. I want to thank everyone for their advice and concern. |
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| Here we go again. I came home from work on Tuesday to find vomit and diarhea from Benson. He has not vomited since but the runny stools remain. I dropped off a stool sample at the vet earlier this afternoon, so we'll see. As with the last time, he is eating and acting ok. This time there has been no blood in his stool. |
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Has he been outside much? With all of this rain we've been getting, he may have drank a sample of puddle water. That can make their tummies upset depending on what's in that water. Your Vet may prescribe a round of Flagyl if they find anything in the poop. If the vomitting has stopped but you still have runny stool. Try PLAIN pumpkin from a can first (NOT the pie mix). Just a couple of spoonfulls per meal added to the dog food (too much will cause more runny stool, but just a little should firm him up). If he continues to vomit as well let his system rest (NO food- just water) for 24 hours, then start a bland diet. (rice with a bit of boiled chicken) and see how he fairs. Then slowly bring the dog food back in after a couple of days if he's doing better. If not, check back in with your Vet. __________________ - Nikki
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You think he got ahold of another frog? Maybe no blood this time cuz hes older now. Hope he's OK! __________________ Christin
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| Thanks Nikki. The only time Benson is outside is on walks and I take him to a baseball field to run and retrieve baseballs every Saturday and Sunday. His nose is always to the ground so who knows what may get in there. He's acting totally fine with regards to activity level, eating and drinking. The last time this happened he turned out to have an elevated white count resulting from a bacterial infection of some sort. But that time he was not drinking and he was lethargic for a couple days - but eating fine. Right now, he is acting like he's 100% and would love to run laps around the yard if he could. |
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Iwould go with garbage gut again, it happens
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Hal - I've read through your posts with interest and know what it is like to have a chronic illness in my dog. Might I suggest probiotics for the puppy added to his food. I assume he has been completely worked up for parasites? Since you've had him on antibiotics, adding the probiotics sacchromyces and acidopholis capsules in his diet can make a huge difference. This is not the same as feeding yogurt. You need high concentrations of probiotics to repopulate his gut. Too many months with stomach issues can wipe out the good bugs necessary for food absorption. c.difficele is difficult to have and can really wreak havoc with how you feel. Imagine a puppy who can't tell you what's going on? Clostridia is the most common cause of bloody stool and causes a desire to stop fluid intake because the bowl cramps. Have the vet check for anemia as well at this point. It's too long for Benson to feel this way. He may need a course of something like flagyl (metronidazole) too.
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| Thanks Jeanine. To be clear, Benson receovered from his prior episode. This latest just started Tuesday. I will say that I have not been able to achieve a firm stool for any extended amount of time. It's been a battle since day one. He had just completed a 10 day course of antibiotics for diarrhea when we picked him up from the breeder at 8.5 weeks old. When we got him home, after a couple weeks, I initially targeted his food as the cuplrit and switched from Biljac ( breeders food ) to Cannidae, then to his current food, Precise Holistic Complete. He's been on the Precise for about 3 months now. He seemed to be doing a bit better on the Precise until a few weeks ago. It's very frustrating because he is only 7 months old, a complete house dog, and he's been sick 3 times now in 5 months ( not including the sickness at the breeder ). He's been worked up for parasites a few times now. I'm definitely going to go with some probiotics. Thanks again. |
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Quote: | Thanks Jeanine. To be clear, Benson receovered from his prior episode. This latest just started Tuesday. I will say that I have not been able to achieve a firm stool for any extended amount of time. It's been a battle since day one. He had just completed a 10 day course of antibiotics for diarrhea when we picked him up from the breeder at 8.5 weeks old. When we got him home, after a couple weeks, I initially targeted his food as the cuplrit and switched from Biljac ( breeders food ) to Cannidae, then to his current food, Precise Holistic Complete. He's been on the Precise for about 3 months now. He seemed to be doing a bit better on the Precise until a few weeks ago. It's very frustrating because he is only 7 months old, a complete house dog, and he's been sick 3 times now in 5 months ( not including the sickness at the breeder ). He's been worked up for parasites a few times now. I'm definitely going to go with some probiotics. Thanks again. | | Loading... |
Have you thought about trying a raw food diet? You can find a lot of info here and there are several good web groups on teh subject. You can pm me and I will tell you the long story of my Blu and his consistent loose stools until we got him on raw food. Or pm Revecca (USMCita) she too does raw and she does it well. Loose stools means bottom line the nutrition your dog needs is not there whether they are food related or a bout of parasites then end is still the same. and your dog is young an needs the nutrients. __________________ Theresa  |
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| To be honest, I don't think I could devote the time and knowledge needed to commit to feeding a raw diet, but thank you for the suggestion. I will PM you because I'm interested in hearing Blu's story. |
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