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Tanisha

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Hello Everyone,
My name is Tanisha and I am a new Mastiff mom. My puppy is almost 7 months and I am wondering when is the best time to spay her. I have heard different answers so I figured I would ask some experienced Mastiff people (hopefully breeders can give me some advice). I have been told that they need to be spayed at a later age because they need the hormones to regulate growth? My girl has been having some discharge (I'm talking to the point that it is hanging on her private after she goes potty). This has happened twice. Is this normal? We are considering getting her spayed at around 8 months? Is this too soon? I have also heard of female mastiffs having problems with bladder control after being spayed too soon. I'm just a little concerned. Any advice will help!

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Im going to give you my opinion. I would wait till after the first heat. My girl was 14 months as her first heat.

I am seeing A LOT of dogs not just mastiffs with spay incontinence from early spays. Mastiffs sometimes tend to have an inverted vulva too..my girl did. And it "popped" out after her first spay. But inverted leads to freq UTIs..just something else to check for.

But the discharge...what color is it? Is it a foul smell? Is her "area" swollen? It does swell during a heat. But if the discharge is a pus color and smelly...Id be having her checked by a vet about it just to be sure its not some other infection like vaginitis.

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About 1/3 of folks say it doesn't matter~ 2/3 say wait til her 2nd heat. Many breeders (with health guarantees) stipulate that you may not spay/neuter til 18 months. Sometimes if they are bigger at a younger age it may be O.K. to do it a little younger. JMO


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If she is not going to be shown or bred why wait?  All my female pups who go on pet contracts are to be spayed at six months.  By waiting you are taking the chance of pyo, or even her being bred by an unknown or unwanted suitor!  

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I am not ready to spay anyone here (showing and possibly breeding) so I have no real input for you, I just wanted to say that you are a breath of fresh air asking about when to spay as opposed to when to breed!

Best of luck to you with your girl!

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Tanisha

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Mindee-The discharge didn't have an odor. The first time it was a litte yellow and looked a little bit like the mucous that comes out of your nose when you have a cold. The second time it was white. Each time it was a long string hanging from her private. (Don't mean to be too graphic just trying to be clear about the symptoms). Her private does not seem to be swollen but the area below her bottom does look a little puffy. My husband said he thought it was normal because she is such a big dog. Do you know how old the dogs were that had issues from being spayed too early?

Lisa-She is a house dog full-time and never outside without supervision so we're not really concerned her getting pregnant! LOL We are just concerned about her health. We just don't want to spay her too soon.

Sunstone-We have no intentions of breeding and adopted her to be a family companion. She is the sweetest thing!

I see there are just different opinions all around on when to spay so I guess my  husband and I will just talk it over and decide what to do.

Thanks everyone!

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  I instruct my puppy buyers to wait at least until after  one heat--2 heat cycles is better.

Yes, IMO they do need those hormones for correct organ (bladder) and bone growth.   We do see a lot of bladder incontience in Giant breeds with early (less than 6 months) spays.  Sadly some of these girls end up in Rescue because their owners do not wnat to deal with the incontience issue.  Urine leakage can also contribute to frequent urinary infections.

I have never had an incontience problem with my females that I spayed at a later date (after breeding or heat cycles)--with some of them living to 12, 13 and almost 14 years of age. I also have not had issues with frequent UTIs.

As long as you keep her properly supervised--waiting on a spay should not be an issue.  Give her body some time to mature.



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Hey Guys,
My puppy was sleeping in her crate on her back. When she got up there was a puddle of urine under her. Isn't this a sign of a UTI?
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Tanisha,
That could be a sign of a UTI. She would do well to see the vet. Think about holding out on her spay until her 2nd heat. Mens underwear upside down/backwards with adult incontinence pads work well for "britches". You may want to dress her until she is over her peepee problems.
good luck-keep us posted

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  Sometimes girls have an inverted vulva which can cause UTIs--as she grows--she will grow out of it--i.e. as her body matures.  My Reba did the very same thing--one heat cyccle and she was fine. 


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Thanks again guys! I will keep you posted!


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Id see a vet asap. I waited with my girl thought it was a puppy accident ( when she was already house trained..and didnt realize she had a UTI till I saw blood in her urine

Easiest way to collect urine for sample...get the container from the vet...and buy a dollar store soup ladel. Easy to catch the urine with the ladel. And you can toss it after lol

Ususally 10 days on clavamox and within 24hrs you see improvement.


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Go to the "Really Good Ideas"  thread ( on top half of page ) and look at post 126.


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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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I recognize a lot of people say to wait till after their first heat. I didn't though; I will NOT treaty with a female dog in heat. I spayed Piper at 5 1/2 months. When they're lesser, they recover A LOT quicker. She's never had any incontinence issues that I know some people say can happy after an early spays.

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