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LindaGreesonRice

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I sell - almost two years now - ALL of my puppies on Limited Registration, including show prospects. If, after they are twelve months old, they have testing done and they still appear to have potential, I will upgrade ( more $$ also )

I would never have let this litter all go on full registration, but because Lorie already registered them with full registration, and some of them have been shown, they left the registration as full. AT this point that is fine with me, as they are beautiful youngsters. Problem is they can no longer be shown, as they are no longer owned by the original owners. ..Of course, Lorie can show the ones she kept , and Dragon, under her and my name, as long as she has not been sanctioned by AKC. If she gets sanctioned, her show days are over.  She can also breed Dragon ( as she has been able to in the past ) without my signature. ( only one signature is required on a stud dog ) -- again, until she gets sanctioned. They she can not sign for anything.

I wish I knew who the people are that have purchased these puppies - if AKC has not already informed them - which may take a week or more - I would like them to know. Could save them from paying entry fees at shows, because they will not get any refunds


I have not heard from any of the original puppy buyers yet - I hope they see this because it will save them a lot of wasted entry fees if they decide to show. Also, if they decide to breed, they will be up the creek without a paddle. They will have to hash this out with Lorie, as she sold them puppies she did not completely own. It is going to be a mess. ..

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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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So now that I co-own all of these puppies, how do I find out who they were sold to? I only know of where three of them are.. two with Lorie ( because she has been showing them ) and one is with Demolition, but how do I find out where the other four dogs are?  Any suggestions?? ( Forget Lorie - she would not tell me anything - )
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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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Consider it a default and assume you are the full owner. If a co owner shows up, you can refund their half, or make some other arrangements. You can ask an attorney, or get a response from AKC, but possession is 9/10ths of the law, as they say!
Not in stone, but how else can you go forward under these circumstances?

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Well, it just never ends. I just received a litter registration aplication for a litter whelped by one of the "puppies"... Aparently 15 months old at the time of breeding, completely untested (according to OFA) to her beautiful half brother, Dragon. I am the co-owner of both of the dogs.. I signed the litter aplication.. I had to according to AKC, so I did. There are nine puppies in the litter, so I will be co-owning 9 more pupppies. I do not have to sign off on the puppies.. I just wonder how Lorie is going to explain to the new owners that they will be co-owned with me?

With the last litter of puppies -7 - and this littter of 9, that makes 16 puppies and two adults that I co-own with Lorie. All I ask is for her to honor our original agreement.....

So for those who may be interested in a Dragon X Danica puppy, please note that you will be co-owning your puppy with me.

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Linda Greeson Rice
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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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The puppy buyers don't care that they have to co own with you and this is another example of why they don't care......a litter was just registered. So anyone who co owns a puppy with you can still breed their dogs because AKC allows them to and forces you to sign the litter registration every time.

This is why I don't co own. All pups remain in my name until all of the provisions in my contract are met. So if someone goes to register a litter with a dog they bought from me they will have a tough time doing so because they won't have the issue date from the registration certificate.

I have had friends have similar situations to yours lately and in every case the person in the right lost because it meant money would go into the AKC's pocket.

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I signed the litter aplication.. I had to according to AKC, so I did. 


What happens if you don't/won't ?

15 months is a real shame.

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AKC does force us to sign the litter registratiion, but they do not force us to sign over our ownership of the resulting puppies. Lorie has bred some beautiful dogs, out of al my bloodlines, and I am proud to be their co breeder and co owner. Of course, I would much rather be done with this mes.. Which is entireally up to Lorie to just live up to our agreement.

I have learned a valualable leson from this .. iF you co owne with someone, and that is a big IF, get everything in writing, no matter how much you trust that person. I will
In the future do what Breanne does.. Get it in writing and keep full ownership until after the contract is fulfilled.. I seriously doubt that I will ever co own again..after all, I already co own a ton of dogs with Lorie

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Linda Greeson Rice
AKC Breeder of Merit

The Mastiff Sweet Spot
http://www.bluequaker.com/Mastiffs.htm



We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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How can they force you to sign ? Can't you simply say no ? What happens if you say no you won't sign ?
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