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Pallone, you can't get at him so you come after me, I get it....


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Holiday can be added to the list.

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Joan your in business with a liar and a cheater, since he didn't deliver the papers to me and knew what I wanted and what I thought I was getting because it was posted and he agreed way back 6 years ago in October

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                No Joan we get it.....YOU are a Broker for his Mastiffs

Denny forgets to tell that don told her that she only had to pay half and come get her dog.......then he would give her the papers when she finished paying...........guess what she PAID and he did not send the papers........Who tell me Who lets a pet go and think the people will pay them if there are no papers involved...........You hang onto the pup until it is paid for unless you are using the
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 No one trusts a stranger to pay for a dog and let it go..........with money owed........ if there are no papers involved.

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Joan is a Dog Broker Denny, there is no dog club on this earth or a Breeder that condones a Broker............she is just like him Denny......and maybe worst being a Mastiff Broker and doing it in part to cheat GH and this Countries' Court System.  Look around people........these birds flock together and yes Angie and Joan and Don were all cheating each other also..........so welcome to the sewer of Mastiffs and the people involved.
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LOL, Pallone, anyone is welcome to come to mastiffchat.com and read under angie fish....


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Yes Joan and EVERYONE can read about you, don, and T birds of a feather

 Teresa can You tell us all the Great mentors that told You it was for the Betterment of this Breed to breed your Bitch- Marley who has a C Positive Father, and Marley's Mom had 2 brothers that were C positive--2 litter-mates with Wobblers a carrier of the fluff gene and a carrier of CMR eye issue............Who are these Great mentors in this Breed of ours Teresa that told you this was OK and teach you ?????????? 
 
Is there one Breeder out there that would have ever done this if they owned this bitch?  What an absolute disgrace this is when you were on every board yelling about C and lying about my kennel and dogs and me, and you do this where C is coming in on every side possible........Your Bitch is not that good or even slightly mandatory to this Breed to do this.  I mean honestly you are disgraceful on doing this........You gave no thought to these pups, the owners, this breed..........You wanted something and you did it..............Want over Need.  No One I know or associate with would have ever bred your Bitch.........Did you even tell the Stud owners all this??????????  I do not know a Stud owner that would have ever bred to a Bitch that had all of these issue...........There is no way you are being honest here about this.......because no one would have done this or bred to this bitch knowing this...........and PLEASE tell us you are not going to Breed her a 3rd time!  Be honest we yourself for once..........you can not think this can make any Mastiff owner--Pet or Breeder Proud of what you have done.

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Okay, just to be sure Pallone gets the message:
Actually, I've been completely honest about everything with my girl in regards to both stud dog owners and puppy buyers. The pups are wonderful and doing great in the ring and are healthy!!! NOT ONE person has been misled in ANY WAY. I supply ALL the health testing data AND all the history I know of when I request to use someone's stud dog. As for breeding her a third time, it's highly probable and you can rest assure it will be to a boy who was Cystinuria clear to a ripe old age and was a great example of the breed just as the other two breedings were. I really think the two things that piss you off the most are that I have produced some really nice pups over the few years in the breed and that I won't back down from your incessant bullying. I have never had to stoop to lying which feels very good. So, you can keep up the badgering and the putting down of good people, but as for me, I'm done with you.

Now, hopefully, we can leave this thread for its intended purpose.


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The fact that Don didn't even know where his puppy was since he was less than 2 yo pretty much should speak for itself for 6 years that dog was not in Don's mind at all.  He was with me for 8 years and I had him left at my house, abandonded.  I spent on him more than the cost of another dog just keeping him alive and then his allergies were impossible to control and he had no fur on over 1/2 his body the entire time he lived with me.  He was not a beautiful dog by the time I got him at that young age.  I had proven my intentions, honesty and love for the breed before I ever heard the name Don Motz or Mill Creek.  Had been proving it day in and day out for a bald dog that everyone wondered why I loved him so much and spent so much on him when another dog would have been preferred by just about anyone and not one person hesitated to tell me either.  But I continued to love Doc and take care of him until I held him in my arms and he took his last breath.  Don knew I was a honest person who love the breed more than my money way before I ever knew Don was on this earth.  Don didn't even care enough to keep up.  Just like Joan saying Titus was Holiday's sire.  She doesn't know where her puppies are and doesn't keep up. 

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Careful Teresa - maybe you should go back to your board where you can hide your head in the sand and sing that you had never heard of wobblers - it is not breed or even dog specific.  You can not claim ignorance again.  It's been around too long.  I knew about it 10 years ago, before you as a breeder with how many litters on the ground?  It's in quite alot of animals and a form of it in humans. Do not force someone to call you out, and that's what you are doing. 

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Ummm, Denny, I didn't say I've never heard of Wobblers or that I didn't know what it was. I believe anyone in the breed for five minutes has heard of it. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, so I will clarify. I didn't know that Blu HAD Wobbler's until recently. Big difference, and again, I'm not wanting to fight with you. You are an excellent home for your "furkids" and I will not take that away from you.


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Wow Teresa, there's not much you can say bad about me or my dogs because you don't really know me well enough and I do own up to my mistakes and forgive others for theirs quickly and take more care for my dogs than most - but Teresa I knew and I don't even have that line.  Can't say exactly when I knew but it wasn't like they tried to hide it because he was a stud.  Yes I wanted part of Marley's dam because she is awesome and I still have a pic of her from when she was a puppy - but you had to have known about some of those things because I did and haven't even been keeping up really and when was it we had the big blow up over fluffies?  And I don't breed.  Nope no litters ever on the ground and everyone has always wrung their hands that I have intact males and OMG what do I do with them.  And then I want a show dog - what could I have up my sleeve.  Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  I want to show a dog is all.  I've shown cats and had a great time and think it would be fun to try dogs.  No nefarious intentions at all.  And you didn't know the bad parts of fluffies or eye issues and now Wobblers?  Makes one have to wonder what else you haven't paid attention to?  And yes, I'm as blunt and as direct as I've always been.  Want to continue?  I can prove who I am with my past record.  There are many others who can only prove they have had so many issues in the past.  If you do not align yourself with people who are questionable then you do not have to defend yourself and others so vigoriously because the story will have already been told for anyone who wants to know to find.  My story should be a lesson for anyone to see and learn . . . but your still typing instead of reading.  And breeding instead of reading.

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And you didn't know the bad parts of fluffies or eye issues and now Wobblers? Makes one have to wonder what else you haven't paid attention to? 

Well, let's see, I now have four fluffies in the world. They are all doing great. Each has blown most of their "fluff" and just has a bit of fringe around the ears and tails. Wow, that's some scary stuff!  snicker snicker Honestly, the fluffs I have out there are absolutely stunning and all very very healthy. None have "eye" issues as none have entropion, CMR or PRA. Quick lesson, you must have have two carrier to get an affected CMR dog. We have no CMR affected pups. ALL of our pups are PRA clear by Dna test. As for Wobblers, no one really has a clue of the mode of inheritance on it. Seems to me it can crop up just about anywhere, so I find it important to have a working relationship with breeders that would TELL me if that is something they've dealt with. Then, we simply don't double up. As for Cystinuria, UPENN says it take two carriers and that they are close to the DNA test for carriers. Until that test comes out, it's just smart to breed to older boys that are clear. So sweety, apparently not only have I been paying close attention to things, but I've actually gone a step further and actually learned about which issue involves. Yes, I've rated what issues I should really hone in on and what ones are less important to me. You will not find a single Mastiff that is perfect so you have to try to match one the doesn't have the same flaws/health concerns yours has. Then, that dog has to actually be a nice Mastiffs. If you can put all that together and the worst you come up with is a couple of fluffs and a litter full of healthy happy pups that fit the standare, then you've done a good job. Oh, btw, none of my pups are exhibiting any sign of wobblers at 18 months. Hopefully, they will never show symptoms of it and it will be something I've successfully bred away from. I can tell you Marley still rules the roost around here and gets around JUST FINE.

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The critical word here is pups.  They are still puppies.  And I am not on a witch hunt but you obviously have not read what I have suggested over and over and over or you would not so quickly stand up and act so defensive.  Again I have to say if you have to so strongly defend yourself with nothing to back yourself up then you have something that is not quite sitting right.  You want to continue with an argument where you have indicated you have changed your mind about the decision and was not the correct thing to have done?  You can not have it both ways - breeding fluffies is either the right thing to do or not.  There is no middle ground.  Just like you can't be kinda pregnant.  How exactly do you tell your buyers that you have C and Wobblers in your line but there's no test for it and you can just take your chances because there are no perfect dogs anywhere.  There sure as hell are dogs out there that have no indication for 10 or 12 generations of Wobbers or C, so save the no perfect dog for someone that knows there are very surely degrees of issues and wobbers and C make dead dogs that are very expensive and heartbreaking to watch them go.  But go back and find a defense for breeding this mess with the cliche that there is no test for it so you will just have to deal with the mess and you didn't know and you won't do it again.  You won't listen and address the issue you have and that is that you are not breeding correct standard or to the standard of Mastiffs.  The standard is there for breeders to follow despite their personal preference and that should be part of your ethics.  It is not.  You breed fluffies because you can always find a good home for them.  That is not what you are breeding to.  That is not the measurement for a good ethical breeder.  You are not breeding dogs that have a little bit of a low tail set or maybe a bit too much haw in the face and are working to correct it.  You are breeding dogs that would be very difficult to find anything except an inexperienced mastiff owner with this knowledge prior to the breeding and you didn't listen to me when I told you this on this board before so don't try to lie to people who know.  People who breed good dogs don't have to defend their actions.  I learned that with Holiday.  Good breeders are backed up by their successes with their dogs - not their failures and I've never once seen a good dog breeder on any board have to defend their dogs - they are generally quiet spoken and they offer their dogs for free to people who were once stupid like me.  They know a good knowledgeable home when they see one and they know the heartbreak that bad breeders cause and do their very best to make up for those breeders and you never once hear them brag about it or even tell anyone.  But like I keep telling you - your position is becoming worse with every stroke you type - you continue to defend something that is just so wrong on so many levels it leaves good breeders shaking their heads.  Your owners have to wonder every day if the other shoe will fall and their dog will be dead soon.  What kind of breeder will continue with that kind of attitude.  Will you be there with your checkbook?  And you are going to breed again with the same mentors you used before?  If you breed to standard then you are respected and when accidents and disease take the dogs way too early it is understandable.  But when you do not breed to standard on purpose so when accidents and disease take the dogs way to early it is more than a little suspicious because the breeder didn't even try to breed to standard in the first place.  Teresa, you can not be a good breeder when you don't start with the basics and at least try to breed to standard or not make that breeding at all.  You can count all the champions you want but when you have no consistency in the litter and just breed for more numbers of champions of course you will have alot of champions but how many broken hearted owners could be found.  The best breeders have consistent litters with many puppies that are fabulous and not lots of good and lots of bad.  If the litter with 4 fluffs was a litter of 10 - you had a 40% failure rate before the litter was ever on the ground because they were intentionally made not to standard and that is before they puppies are grown and other issues come into play the unknowns - as you put it.  The standard is the success - the puppies that do not and never would meet the standard are failures.  You could probably get a better success rate by putting a couple in the back yard and having them make puppies.  No planning necessary.  I'd think a good breeder would want a better success rate than 40%.  I know I would.  But dig the hole deeper Teresa.  Defend you position with the fluffs that you found good homes for them even though they should be thought of as not to standard on purpose and you have already admitted it.

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Deb can you take this to another thread, it has nothing to do with what this particular thread is about and I would appreciate it if you do not divert it.
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Oh and UPENN has been saying they are so close for how many years?   Please count these years for us?  Maybe 10 more?  Maybe only 5?  How close is close?  I've been counting for at least 5 years now that they have been so close.

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I'm not Deb and she's has gone to bed.  I realize you believe this is the only time this has happened that a buyer has been cheated or lied to or stolen from.  But it is not.  Many times there are 5 or 6 threads on it at the same time.  I realize this issue is very close to you.  But when a buyer is being cheated it affects all mastiff owners.  You are not the first unfortunately and will not be the last.  These threads are everywhere on all the boards.  Joan tried to continue to keep this subject going to make herself look better and was called on it.  It was a good effort but I will say it again - Linda owns the board and when she wants Deb or I to stop she will let us both know.  Knowing what I know I would have to agree with Deb's point of view - Joan, Don and Linda were all cheating each other and Joan is wanting to claim to also be a victim.  It is very much on topic whether you can see it or not.  It is not being diverted at all it is very much on topic just not the particular direction you would like for it to go which is unfortunate but also unfortunate, is the fact the only way to stop it is let everyone know the entire story even if it is not exactly what you want.  You made it public and you reap the rewards both good and bad.  But again no one wants to study the history of the mastiff or the groups of individuals that entails.  I was told this same thing so many years ago.  Some lessons are difficult to swollow.  Most good reputable breeders have been there and been cheated and that is why they are so good now.  You don't know someone's pain until you've been in their place and then when you see the entire story it is so much more painful.  The one's you've thought were so good and honest and nice to you are the very one's you should have avoided.  This is exactly on topic.
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Not Linda - but Angie.

Oh and ever why there's no edit button here?  That's a juicy bit of gossip too.  When you've been around a few years you will understand much better many of us really know each other off line and know what is going on that is difficult to understand.  It's not a clique even.  But good people graviate to good people and the opposite and some are just pawns.  I'm not a pawn anymore and don't care if I'm politically correct.
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Rather than being so vague on you situation and to help you out a little bit . . . sometimes you think you've been cheated by one person when really just everyone hasn't shown up yet.  That is why Deb brought it to this thread and she won't leave and if it involved Mill Creek you can bet I won't be leaving soon either.  And if you will go read your history you will know why and probably won't be quite so demanding that someone leave YOUR thread.

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Hi Denny, I got my first Mastiff in 1989, in 1993 I bought my first papered Mastiff and have had them in my life for a long time now, I also bred and showed RR's for years and have had Boerboels for the last five years. If you think I am of the opinion that I am the only one to be ripped of then I can assure you that I am not that green.

If you guys have a problem and you need to deal with it then go right ahead but as I asked, please take it to another thread.

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I was going to try to answer Dennys, ummm questions or charges? But I think she's already taken her medication so it was all very difficult to follow, but I will try to simplify it for her. I have a bitch that might be a carrier of C+, she is a carrier of CMR, and she is a carrier of the fluffy gene. Her cerf is totally clear, hips good, elbows normal,patellas normal, thyroid normal, heart normal, PRADNA clear. She easily finishes her championship and even wins reserve winner's bitch under Betty Baxter at Bucks at 19 months old. Now, I decide to breed her. I know I must find a boy that fits what Marley needs. We try to find CMR tested dogs so we don't double up at that gene.  We find a boy that has tested negative on the Nitroprusside test several times. But darn the luck, that great boy does carry a fluffy gene. SO, I decide to risk a couple of fluffs to avoid CMR and Cystinuria. Fair trade off. Later, I find out Marley's brother comes down with Wobblers. Well, lucky me, the boys I chose to breed to didn't have Wobblers in their lines and lived Wobbler free lives. All the fluffs are in happy loving homes living happy normal lives and all is well in Mastiff World. The oldest are almost two years old, and guess what, all healthy! I'm so sorry to burst your bubble, but yes, I will risk a fluff or two to get a great litter of otherwise health pups. There are MUCH worse things lurking out there than HAIR for goodness sake.


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No bubble burst at all Teresa.  I already knew and have known you do not breed to standard and make excuses for it.  Not my problem at all since I don't have any part of your lines in my dogs.  I just find it sad is all.  It is not new news, darn the luck you have dear and part of it is your own making just as I told you before the litter was two weeks old and you still defend your decision - darn the luck darn darn darn - and you followed just fine considering what all I was doing at the same times discussing your little ethical darn the luck delimas

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You don't even know who all the players are in your nightmare and you want the one's who can tell you to get off your thread . . . quite rich, but ineffective.  As long as this little delight has to do anything with one of my dogs I'll be on it.  Joan can go play high and mighty with someone else and you can tell her how wonderful she is.  She doesn't even know her own pedigrees for gawd sake or where all her puppies are . . . but make sure you thank her for all her help.  Teresa can help you figure that one out by putting Joans post back up or I can supply it for you.  Doesn't even matter to me.  I know a Kong dog when I see one and so does everyone else on this board even if you don't.  The first part should have been to figure out the issue and who was involved but since you already know I guess it doesn't matter.  You can't sue and win - folks have tried and failed over and over.  They win a judgement but no money back or an acceptable dog.  See your really in the same boat as myself, but you think it's different.  It's all the same.  You have more people involved than I did and was told, but I took the same defensive stance as you.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar but go ahead - make everyone thats nice in public your friends - you'll go far in mastiffs I'm sure.  Masafari do you even know how long the people who could be involved in this have been in Mastiffs?  What your resources are for resolution or are as you say you are just trying to save another person from your horrible fate?  I would think you would encourage more involvement by anyone that wants to throw in their two cents - Angies already pretty much been trashed throughly in every board - btw even one's you don't go to.  Mastiff people know but there is always a new person showing up every day.  Do you know how many breeder recommendations I make and could assist with getting you dogs oh in a just a few weeks if you could be approved and have done it over and over?  At a very reduced rate in most cases considering what you have gone thru.  Do you know Deb could probably get you a very nice dog from some of the best breeders in the US or Europe in just a few weeks.  That is not bragging it is fact.  Do you want dogs or do you want to whine.  Take you pic.  Doesn't matter to me.  Won't change my life or the plans I have in place.

And my medication has little to do with my typing skills.  I type about as fast as most people talk and that means I type the entire word with one stroke.  When I'm taking care of too much stuff my muscle memory becomes confused and as a matter of fact it involves the dog I stole from Don or paid Don for because I do have a cancelled check and then stole . . . darn it - now I can't even figure out how I got Holiday, but he's got that lie all sewed up except it doesn't match what he typed at the time on MastiffWeb . . . or I'm not even sure what I supposedly did with Don and a dog after this evenings conversation . . . I'm sure you'll understand that with your field of study and employment and experience Teresa.  My only fault was believing that Don was telling me the truth and Holiday was Hockey . . . . since I didn't know what that meant at the time I spent years trying to figure out what I had done wrong.  I told you that in person but you were far to concerned with where Rev Kev was at the time because he was not at your beck and call.    Turns out I did nothing wrong,  all Don said about Holiday except his pedigee was incorrect.  And he couldn't have been from Titus because I can find no puppies anywhere with Titus listed as the Sire.  The dog is not Hocked and never was.  He's got too much Haw and his eyes show it terribly and are split.  Of course those two things were never mentioned to me and a bit noticable when I got him but I was trusting and stupid.  I know better now.  Frankly Holiday is over done and would have never done well in the ring and Don had to stop him from being shown or It would tell, but since there is no Mill Creek anymore according to Joan - there is no threat that anyone can counter my objections.  Only the person I made the deal with and I do believe GH has already proven him a liar - but I'm in Texas.  The rules are different now, and I won't back down.  Just as you Masafari I'm not shutting up.  So we can argue between us and that's fine with me because you don't even understand the purpose of all this.  Go ahead act like you know what your doing,  - just as Teresa it only proves that you don't.  It is very frustrating when the people that can help you are rejected by you . . . but I had to learn that lesson the hard way . . . as most of us do.  Good luck to you in mastiffs.  But I won't go away and you are very rude for being so insistant especially to someone you know nothing about but you do know that I have dogs and your looking for dogs.  I've always thought the one with the most Mastiffs wins in the end and have been saying that for years.  But my argument is not with you - it can be but doesn't have to be.  Do you want dogs or not.  I can tell you where they are and you don't have to start your hunt all over again.  But your choice.  Linda would have already called me or e-mailed if she had objections.  So you kinda see the situation? Right?  In other words, Linda is in Charge and she hasn't stopped either Deb or myself and I can't image Deb would start this without Linda already knowing.  That is not the way they work together.  Teresa, I just don't approve of her ethics.  I used to breed cats but I think I might be to old to start with puppies so I'm happy just to love on them and train them and hopefully have something for a show one day maybe.  But neither of you will make a big difference in my life.  Even if Teresa thinks she's got something on a disabled old woman and wants to insult them publically.   But you keep on getting your mastiffs they way you've been doing it Masafari - bang up job there my man!!!  Please don't ask for help and then be pissy it is just not becoming to insist the help your request will only be accepted on your terms. 

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And Teresa I know exactly what Marley is and all her background and pedigree back at least 10  generations by heart.  Remember at one time I wanted one of her pups but it didn't take.  I have paid minor attention to her since that time because of her Dam that I admire so much.  You are preaching to the choir if your talking to me because I already know and more that most because I've actually met her and know what her faults and strengths are.  I still have the 100 or so pics of her I took at that show and have blown them up and critiqued them and admired them.  I even have a close up of her bite - and if you remember I asked your permission to take the pics and everything.  Of Sandy too.  So you can stop already.  I already know.

And has anyone considered why I might be up all nite?  Most dog owners only do that when something is wrong with one of your dog.  You are both so self absorbed you have not even considered anything but yourselves all  nite long even when I pointed out Deb had gone to bed.  Pieces of work I must say.  Not the best first impression I would think  . . . but then what do I know, uh?  Hope any future breeders of your precious little bundles will over look you lack of any kind of sensitivity Masafari.
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Hi Denny,
I have not demanded anything, I have asked.
I have not asked Joan to bump this thread.
I am not interested a cheap pup.
I do not want you or Deb to organize anything for me.
I have spoken to Deb in the past.
I do want to warn people about Dreamquest.
I do love my dogs.
Sorry you see my request as insensitive you obviously don't know me.





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Steve you were cheated........no doubt about it

Who was the original in this group of lying cheaters and money scammers............Don Motz of Mill Creek Mastiffs...........he was the mentor to Lisa, and Angie..........then he recruits Joan and makes her his Dog Broker.........they all could not wait to cheat each other, slam each other in public.......they are one in the same taught by the same..........if you deal with any of these people you will be lied to, scammed, and cheated..........pick a name they are the same..........and that is why all of their names are lumped together and should be on this thread together.
 
Teresa gives the two-- Don Motz and the Broker-Joan the board for them to try and execute good decent Breeders..........so No they are all the same, and none of you will get your money any faster by talking about only one of this team of thieves. 
 
Beware of All of them..............each name mentioned, they ALL prey on the innocent and new.........Everyone loves a Con Artist at first they always say the right thing to make you like them...............Each one is the same just a different name.......they worked together.......they mentored each other.  It is not that hard to get people.
 
The closest thing to getting your money is Lisa and Angie will try to distance themselves from Don Motz and Mill Creek Mastiffs, because no one in Mastiffs wants any association with him because his reputation is that bad.


But, I do not think you will get your money Steve and you should know they were all together on this.  




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For Masafari, Uta, Sunshinemtn and all the others....

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I strongly encourage anyone who's being lied about and slandered to speak to Linda about this. I've done that and I encourage others to do the same. Linda is very reasonable and would not condone this type of behavior. Thank you.


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Since Linda is aware of it, I would hope that the slandering and lying about me by Pallone be removed..Thank you....

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3rd time I am asking and you have never said no so you are..........so what is it Joan???????

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.

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Teresa of Oasis Mastiffs

Does your bitch Marley have a sire that is C positive
 
Does your bitch Marley have a mother with 2 brothers that is C positive
 
Does your bitch Marley have 2 litter-mates that had Wobblers
 
Where is the lie or slander when even the other litter-mate confirms it on this board??????????
 
Where is it a lie or slander that I would not and no one I know would bred that bitch?????
 
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Lets put it this way Pallone, is Linda willing to be accountable for your stupidity for your lying and slandering on her public forum, since she is aware of what you are doing??????
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Deb, I know that I will not get my money back and that is why this thread is so important in warning others about Lisa Jaycox and her practices

If I meet a group of people and one of them steal my wallet then I am going to go after the person that takes it not the whole group.

On another note, Denny has no right to imply that I don't care for other people or my dogs and that other breeders be wary of me!
She doesn't know me or even live in the same country as I do so I don't know how she can make such a statement. That statement does need to be dealt with as it is very false.

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I have made no statements reguarding any thing or any one in these matters. I would remind you, Joan, that I am not accountable for any statments made on this board by others. I am only accountable for the statemnts that I make myself. Please review the board rules posted at the top of the Forum for clarification on this if you have any questions.


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Linda, I didn't figure you would do anything and I was just waiting for your reply....  Teresa, does that answer your question...

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Not yet. I'm still hoping that Linda will realize letting Pallone post without any regards for truth or accuracy is a bad idea. I know Linda has locked edits because of past legal issues (in regards to Gloria Davis issues). Maybe she's just planning on giving her a stern warning and Pallone will shape up...Of course, that doesn't help all those that got mud slung their way...


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I have talked to Teresa a gazillion times on the phone often with questions about my dogs which were not from her and she is ALWAYS happy to help and extremely knowlegable (sp?). I met her, Marley, and Sahara at a show and cannot impress enough how amazing she AND her dogs are. I dream of purchasing a Mastiff from her in the future and have no doubts I would get a very healthy, long lived, excellent representation of the breed.
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Kristy if you have been promised a pup from Marley then Teresa has not been honest with you on the health like she is trying to tell all of us she is.

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I am accountable for my words....I have not lied and I have not slandered or liabled anyone.
 
You Joan are a Dog Broker, and no one in the world of dogs would have to be asked 3 times and never a denial.......the 1st time asked that question they would have screamed NO, and complained for days that they were asked such a thing. Yes folks it is a bad thing, no dog club allows it.
 
But sooooooooo many of us knew you were, and these good people that have been cheated by Angie and Lisa are not going to be set up for the next scam by you and Don without being told by some of us.  Anthony wanted to tell you when he came on........but there is where you need to learn to be direct and straight forward about it.........All need to be careful because there are Cons in Dogs and they are on this board.
 
Joan is a Dog Broker and a Mastiffs Broker..........known for years as one and pegged for sure now.  does that answer your question T and Joan.......I went to dinner

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I haven't been promised anything and I am broke, dirtpoor to be exact. Some day I will get back on my feet and will get a pup. Way to go on your ASSumption though.
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Teresa and I have talked about Marley, everything about her and the sire as a matter of fact, and Teresa has been completely honest with me AND her posts.
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There was no assumption given.......I stated the facts.

Kristy if you have been promised a pup from Marley then Teresa has not been honest with you on the health like she is trying to tell all of us she is.


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Deb, again, I have NOT been promised a pup nor can I afford one! What makes you think she has promised me one? I can tell you for sure if that had or would happen I would start a thread screaming with excitement! I will get back on my feet, save for a pup and then more for associated expenses and only then will I BUY one. That could be at least two years down the road if not more.
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Pallone, I have never once asked you your business nor do I care but for some ungodly reason you believe you have the right to ask me mine and then some that has nothing to do with me and someone elses! I am not a broker so sorry to disappoint you.....LOL!

H, I never doubted your intelligence...

Oh Kristie, she it the queen of facts, NOT....LOL


Now can we get back to the real reason this thread is up???
  


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Answer the question as I asked it

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.


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H, you are helping a KNOWN Bully, Bully...   Ever hear of internet bullying???

Pallone, I am not going anywhere so get over it.   We all know YOU ARE very good friends with Lisa Jaycox and Angie Fish and they are crying because there sales went down the tubes and they can't sell anything because of this two threads so the reason for coming after me and teresa.  Teresa, only because she spoke up on my behalf....   Actually, you were there mentor and as far as I know you still are..........  so ask all the stupid questions you want I don't care.......LOL

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I have Never been good friends with Angie or Lisa........I do not like either or dislike either......I have never mentored either one.......I have spoken to Lisa one time by email when she sent horse info to bring down milk on bitches to me-- I have spoken to her one time when she called to appologise to me for Angie emailing me on an issue I had no idea about.  Lisa has never been ugly to me, but we have no relationship and I believe that was 4 years ago.

I have had the same issue that everyone else has had with Angie with her sending a strange email & complaining I said something I didn't.........then I have emailed Angie back and each time I have said......Angie stay out of people's business and stop forwarding me their emails and stop thinking I am talking about you--I don't know you and I don't know your dogs..........and a year ago when she emailed me-- I said get out of dogs and take care of your family........we have no relationship at all except she thanked me for being kind and honest with her on what she should do with her life........but never followed.

So No Joan you are wrong on everything and I only had to be asked once.......where you still will not answer this question:

Answer the question as I asked it

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.

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Oh Pallone, you can write all the lies you want and some will believe you and some will see this for what it is. I still dont care!!! I am not going away.....


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I don't have to lie Joan.........I do not associate with those two.....never have and believe and have stated on this board Angie has cheated many people and I knew Lisa had on Steve P and felt even worse about her when I found out she had cheated more than SteveP.........and I helped SteveP when he 1st told me even on this board.......so there you go Joan and the world

Answer the question as I asked it for the 5th time I have asked you:

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.

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Pallone, I have said all I need to say. I am willing to let people make up there own minds... BUMP!!!



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Yes Joan let's let them make up their own minds

Answer the question as I asked it for the 6th time I have asked you:

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.



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