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For Masafari, Uta, Sunshinemtn, and all the others....

I see you know how to count Pallone.  Lets try addition shall we....

1 (Anthony) also tried to stop these threads recently + 1 (Pallone also trying) = 2 that are both good friends.   And also 2 (Anthony, Pallone) + 2 (Lisa, Angie) = 4 (Anthony, Pallone, Lisa and Angie)  All 4 are good friends.....See the connections!!!

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Joan, all the speaking to Anthony has been on this board or The Mastiff Grandeur Board and around 6 years ago when he called me about dogs when he lived in El Paso I believe.  So No Joan Anthony is not a Friend of mine......Nice guy it appears and friends with others that speak nicely of him.......but we are not close, we have no business together nor dogs. 
 
I did not see Anthony trying to stop anything, I have supported you--Joan each time I posted on Lisa and Angie cheating people and how wrong it is........In fact Steve P called me from Oz........and I even said Wow I never knew Uta is owed money also........and he said a man in Canada also.......so I have no issue with people knowing to stay away from people that lie and cheat people out of money and Steve P will tell you I have always supported him in his issue to get the money owed him .............I just include Don Motz and MillCreek Mastiffs since he does the same and owes Grienier Hall over $100,000.00 from the law suit he lost to them.
 
I do NOT want this thread stopped........I want it to continue.......I want it every where on the Internet, that is why I change up some words here and there so it goes more places, so everyone can see who to stay away from when looking for Mastiffs or any other kind of dogs they get into or if they change their Kennel Names.  I am actually helping you or stopping them from having a good name in Mastiffs.

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Oh Pallone, really???????    Then why have you not started your own thread.???  Do you not see the heading of these two threads????  You don't seem to have a problem posting!!!   I still say vendetta/agenda because of your friendship with them and especially me since I am friends with Don....


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Joan why is this on your Web page??????????

"Mammoth Mastiffs and Mill Creek Mastiffs, merged on April 15, 2008"--You must be real good friends

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For Masafari, Uta, Sunshinemtn and all the others...


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I never get in these heated discussions, but I am going to say exactly what I know, and feel on a few different things that have been brought up on this thread.

To whom ever started this thread, and whoever is involved with the "real reason" this thread was started, please except my apologies in advance. I mean absolutely NO harm to any of you.

Written by Joan Brown of Mammoth/MillCreek Mastiffs.

1 (Anthony) also tried to stop these threads recently + 1 (Pallone also trying) = 2 that are both good friends. And also 2 (Anthony, Pallone) + 2 (Lisa, Angie) = 4 (Anthony, Pallone, Lisa and Angie) All 4 are good friends.....See the connections!!!

Anthony, a VERY good friend, and mentor to me, is in no way, involved with Angie or Deborah. (FACT)

Leave him the hell out of this Joan. (STATEMENT)

Why in the world would you even make false statements (in and equation format) about something you know absolutely NOTHING about? (QUESTION)

Anthony has a wonderful reputation in the Mastiff Community, and I know of many "respected breeders" that can vouch for that. (FACT)
Yes, I am here to defend "my friend". (FACT)

Do you have a problem with that? (QUESTION)

YOU, Joan Brown, are NOT a respected breeder in my book.
I don’t even consider you a breeder. (OPINION)

A "breeder" breeds, and breeds for themselves. They put what they don’t keep (as breeding stock) out to wonderful homes. (FACT)

Instead of doing that, you hoard them all, and put the most ridiculous stipulations on your "perspective" puppy people. (FACT)

I have been to your website, the other day actually, (ooohhhh, Don is going to love that one, since you apparently have some secret software that lets you know who visits your site and how often?) and I thought...what in the world? (FACT)

This animal activist has the nerve to post on the front page of her website that she had to put all of her "retired" stock out to homes, so that they do not get put down? (QUESTION/OBSERVATION)

Seriously? (QUESTION)

Don't you mean, make room for ALL of the dogs you kept from a previous litter that you have hoarded (for what reason, I will never get), so that no one can have the infamous, ever elusive, perfect DOG semen? (QUESTION)

Is there some stock options out there that I am un-aware of regarding this proclaimed invaluable stock? (QUESTION)

If anyone deserves the credit for YOUR program, it is the famous Don Motz. Hell, he turned the majority of his stock and business rights over to you. All he has to do, is sit back and dictate to you how to breed. (FACT)

Damn shame, it really is a challenge and experience to learn how to do that yourself. (FACT)

C'mon, let some of those dogs go to good, loving pet homes, so they can get the love they deserve. (RECOMMENDATION)

You can even do something they call "co-own". (FACT)

Did you know that? (QUESTION)

You probably do, but will never see through your "taught paranoia". (FACT/OBSERVATION)

I, myself, would put a HALT to my program, until my "retired dogs" made their way onto the streets of gold. (FACT)

OH, and before the "famous" Don Motz starts a thread regarding the DRF community having "alot of brindle's every where". (PREVIOUS OBSERVATION OF A FACT)

I think I should state, for the record, that I have had several LARGE litters and I kept the best females on my property for potential, future breeding stock. I co-own all males from previous breeding's. All, except one! Therefore, I have (2) male mastiffs on my property and some really pretty brindle girls
(FACT)

Get off you animal rights band wagon. (RECOMMENDATION)

I have a WONDERFUL idea. (IDEA)

Why don’t you and Don start your own "mastiff forum", so that you guys can bash all the breeders out there? (QUESTION)

Hell, call it DRF drama board. (RECOMMENDATION)

It can be an exclusive board to only you two.

I mean Mammoth/MillCreek does have the most outstanding breeding stock in the whole wide world. Is that not the message you are sending, or proclaim to have? (QUESTION)

Seriously, give Mark some credit for Kong. HE is the owner of the dog that "corrected" Mill Creek Mastiffs program. (FACT)

Or, at least from the "looks of things", that is what he states. (OBVIOUS OPINION)

Guilty by association? (QUESTION)

I do not agree with this cliché at all. (OPINION)

If that is the case....Joan, you have more guilt than anyone I know in mastiff world. (OPINION)

If I were Linda, I would kick your nuisance ass so far off this board, no one would ever see you, except to Google you as a "DOG BROKER" and animal rights activist! (RECOMMENDATION)

(No offense Linda, I think you know where I'm coming from).

Quit hoarding dogs, read the standard, educate YOURSELF, and for goodness sakes, get off the Internet! (RECOMMENDATION)


"If anyone knows of ANY Mill Creek" dogs that have ever tested positive for Cystinuria, please contact Joan Brown immediately!!!!" (STATED BY JOAN BROWN, PUBLICLY)

Hell, I have some Mill Creek, and "if" there is C+ dogs bred by Millcreek/Mammoth Mastiffs, you will NOT be the one I contact. (FACT)

FACT = FACT
QUESTION = QUESTION
RECOMMENDATION = RECOMMENDATION
OPINION = OPINION
STATEMENT = STATEMENT
IDEA = IDEA

Now, Joan, how is that equation for you? (QUESTION)

For my friends and acquaintances on this thread, please except my sincere apologies for writing the above. It has been a long time coming. This was written in defense of my friend Anthony. (FACT)

As far as the part about Joan Brown (Mammoth/MillCreek Mastiffs), well, it is what it is!! (FACT)

Now, BUMP!!!!
BUMP for JOAN BROWN!!!!
 

Oh, and for clarification regarding the:
FACT = FACT
QUESTION = QUESTION
RECOMMENDATION = RECOMMENDATION
OPINION = OPINION
STATEMENT = STATEMENT
IDEA = IDEA

Well, let's just say, Joan Brown and Don Motz may not be able to decipher the statment's made, and it is simply for their clarification. I myself, know the difference.


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Apologies to all (well, except Joan Brown of Mammoth Mastiffs) on this thread, I have started a new one regarding this particular subject.


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Trisha, glad you feel better.   Just as I have told Pallone, I am not going anywhere......


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Joanie- Since your not going anywhere, please, by all means....
Go and see the thread I have posted...EXCLUSIVELY for YOU!!!!!

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Trisha,

I agree with you 100%.

Don Motz is nothing more than a  "Mastiff internet troll".

Just read what he has written.

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How dare you speak badly of my friend Don!


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Sorry Steve.

I forgot how much you and Don love each other.

I'll be more careful in the future.

I'm thankful for the new gay marriage laws in NY because now you and Don can realize your dreams.

Is it Steve Motz or Don Oifer?

Either way, you guys are cute together.

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Just as long as you don't change my name to Ben Dover!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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How I realize Joan Brown is 'attempting' to make folks 'think' she actually cares, or is concerned about the poor folks that have suffered losses, or have not received monies back - I have to say, that it looks to me like it is just plain old meaness at this point on her part. Smily faces to me do not indicate concern.

I believe this forum has gotten its point across, and I'm certain those invloved have learned very valuable lessons.

I think by keeping this thread up and running is just adddng fuel to Joan's little fire.

Don't you think it might be time to lock it up? Just my observation on the matter.

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THough my opinion counts for nothing, here it goes. These threads, without all the extra parts, serve a very useful purpose to the Mastiff community and to those seeking justice. They also serve as fair warning to other to be cautious what they do in regards to fair and honest business transactions. That is my opinion...all the other stuff was totally off topic.


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I agree wholeheartedly with you Teresa.
 
However, it seems like it is getting way out of hand by one particular individual.
 

In 'my eyes', it looks like more of an act of 'retaliation’ against the breeder vs. ‘actually' trying to help those that have lost monies, a pet puppy, etc.

 

Joan publicly posted her dislikes about the said breeders', and it, to me, just looks like an act of retaliation. Which even if it is, why bump it daily, rather than locking or pinning it? This is a personal vendetta that she has and in my opinion, she is using this and other boards as a way to attack, rather than handle ‘her matter’ privately.
 
In my thread regarding Joan Brown, I was literally sarcastic with the bumpity, bump, bump thing, because it looks to me (with all of the smiley faces and grins) that bumping is some kind of joke to her.
 

As an outsider looking in, that is how it looks. jmho

 


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Hi Trisha, I for one would love to see this thread pinned along with the David thread and Heska thread.

This forum is the most viewed forum in the world and if you put Dreamquest or Heska mastiffs in the search these threads are what comes up and I am sure many people have already been saved the heartache of dealing with these particular kennels.







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Great to see this thread pinned, thank you to everyone involved in getting this to happen. It truly is very much appreciated.

Below is a link to all threads good and bad about Dreamquest Mastiffs so people can read and make their own decision on the ethics of this kennel.

http://www.worldmastiffforum.com/search?searchid=14050295


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