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Against better judgement, I decided to go ahead and purchase our new baby from Gary and Lisa (Dreamquest/Orchard Hill). They had the exact type of Mastiff (temperament and health) that I was looking for, with an affordable price. We did the phone "interview", they sent me the contract, etc..... I offered to send a deposit via paypal to show that I am serious about adopting a pup, even though I had been advised not to give them any money. They told me that as long as they knew I was serious, no deposit was necessary.

 I have been planning the trip up to pick up our new baby, which would be a 9 hr road trip. We have pictures of the two puppies we were going to pick from on our refrigerator for our kids to look at... name picked out (Maggie), etc... The whole family has been so excited!!

 I got an email tonight that said:

"Myself and gary have been talking a lot about everything that has been going on and we have decided to just keep what we want out of this litter and the remaining will go on spay or neuter contracts...After all we have been through with people we think it is best to just give full register to close friends or co-own. So I am sorry to tell you we cannot sell you a puppy on full register out of tested lineage for 1350. I hope you find what you like for that amount .."

 The last two sentences implies that the price of the puppy was negotiated, but that is not the case. That is the price that is being publicly advertised by them for full reg. I guess I should have known better than to trust them. At least I did not loose any money, just gained a broken heart. Now I have to tell my kids that we won't be getting our puppy.

Lesson learned: no morals = no morals... don't give someone you don't know the benefit of the doubt and hope that they turn out to be good people.


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Link to the ad that they are selling the full reg. puppies for $1,350:

http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/414434.html#bim
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Oh Missy I am sorry, But you will find another puppy and you won't have to worry about the hassle.  I know you were looking for a Mastiff for therapy work and to show.  There are a lot of great breeders out there.  Keep checking here you find one.


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I'm so sorry!
I'm presuming you read the other Dreamquest/Orchid Hills thread on the forum here?
At least they have not got your money!
I hope you do find a well bred puppy...from a reputable breeder

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Thanks CeCe, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me a few weeks ago.

Hannah, I did read the other thread. Since I was aware of what was going on, I thought I could protect myself from being scammed. Turns out that scamming someone does not always include money. I almost feel like I am in mourning for my puppy that will never come home. I protected my money, but not my heart.
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That is aweful.

looking forward to the pics of the puppy you DO get.

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someone on the board will either have a litter or know of someone. Don't feel bad.  I think there's a puppy in your future that you were meant to have.


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I may be villified for saying this but,  being dissappointed is one thing, being swindled is another. Breeders do have a right to place their pups with whom they wish, for the price they wish, and I think they have a right to change that decision until money has changed hands or a contract has been signed.

I know many reputable breeders who have had to turn away a potential home for one reason or another, and I know many buyers who have had a change of mind at the last minute for many different reasons as well. That is the nature of a business transaction. I hate to make it seem so cold as of course hearts get involved too.

It stings to suffer disappointment, but I don't see fraud here, at least I can't pass judgment without seeing both sides of the story.

I know you will find the right pup - hang in there.

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"Myself and gary have been talking a lot about everything that has been going on and we have decided to just keep what we want out of this litter and the remaining will go on spay or neuter contracts...After all we have been through with people we think it is best to just give full register to close friends or co-own. So I am sorry to tell you we cannot sell you a puppy on full register out of tested lineage for 1350. I hope you find what you like for that amount .."

I'm sorry if you've been disappointed by your circumstance.  Every good and decent breeder reserves the right to refuse sale up until the time the pup actually leaves their property.  I actually had a buyer at my house, sitting on my deck one time when I decided against selling him a puppy.  I had held his deposit for over a month when I told him I had changed my mind.  He wasn't worthy of owning one of my puppies.  I wrote him a check and that was that.  He had driven over 3 hours.  He left without a puppy.  When somebody breeds a litter and puts hours of hard work into raising those beautiful puppies they get to make any decision they want to make.  It sounds to me that Lisa and Gary have made the decision they feel is best for them, and their dogs.  You may be sad, but it doesn't make what they did unethical in any way, shape or manner.  It just makes it something you don't agree with.  I am a huge fan of selling on spay/neuter contracts.  It's a very responsible to do.  Thank you for pointing out that Lisa and Gary are making smart and responsible decisions. 
 
I wish you the very best of luck in finding the puppy of your dreams. 
 


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Jennifer, I remember you telling the story about the family that drove all that way. Something about them just turned you off and I think one of the kids tried kicking a puppy or something. 

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Did you want to breed this pup eventually? If not it doent sound like they won't sell you a pup, they just want to sell them on spay/neuter contracts.
Very few dogs should be bred if the goal is honestly to better the breed.
Limited reg is a good thing.
I hope you talked to them and tried to work something out before you made this public.

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"After all we have been through with people we think it is best to just give full register to close friends or co-own"
 
This statement from Dreamquest/Orchard Hills has got to be the absolute biggest joke of all time.
 
They  (Dreamquest/Orchard Hills) are the ones who have put so many people through the ordeal of having their money stolen or not receiving their papers for dogs that people have paid for.
 
They are nothing more than thieves and liars and deserve every bit of bad publicity that they get.

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"After all we have been through with people we think it is best to just give full register to close friends or co-own"

And exactly what is it that THEY have been through?
 Making money off people and still keeping the puppy(s) people have paided for?
 Denying people their AKC papers that paid for an AKC registered mastiff?

So I ask......What about the puppy buyers and what THEY have been through and will CONTINUE to go through??

I think this is a very selfish statement on Lisa and Gary's part!

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Yes Mark,  you're right.  The husband and wife came here with their two young kids and the one boy kicked one of my puppies in the side. He also kicked a dog toy toward a puppy, scaring it and sending it scampering under my chair.  When I scolded the kid the dad said "Oh my boys will toughen that puppy up".  My decision to refuse sale was made right then.

I actually refuse sale for a lot of reasons.  I might have a great first conversation with somebody and then their references don't feel right to me.  I've also had a great first conversation, but they have rubbed me the wrong way in a subsequent conversation.  One time I really liked the wife, but the husband was a total know-it-all jerk....I can't stand those. lol

It is my general rule that I have to like the people I am selling a puppy to.  The same should go for buyers...if they don't like me, they shouldn't buy a puppy from me. 

A lot of petty, unprofessional mess can be avoided when you have a basic, common respect and liking for one another.  I have also found that life's dealings in general are so much smoother and easier when you are interacting with a higher functioning crowd.  There's an awful lot to be said for tact, self respect and common sense.

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 Kind of along what Crossroads said - although in a court of law this would be considered a business transaction, yet the ideal is that it is the begining of a long term, supportive relationship. One that goes both ways and is built on respect.

If the two parties do not see eye to eye or personalities rub each other the wrong way - the chances of this being a good relationship (which is best for the dog) the odds go way down.



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For someone on the outside looking in.

Though I dont doubt they have bad past dealings with people. I dont find it dishonest they decided not to sell you a puppy. Thats disappointing yes..but you werent swindled.

Who the sells any pup for 1350. anyway? I wouldve seen that and thought too good to be true to buy a well bred mastiff for that price! That alone wouldve made me wonder...

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It is disappointing but be glad for it. I don't know them or their history but they havegiven you the opportunity to go with another breeder and maybe this time it won't be "against your better judgement". Mindee is right about the price, Gunnar was $2,500 plus travel and is a show quality, sound, and healthy dog. I have never shown him but the fact that he is free from the elbow, hip, eye probs ect made the price well worth it. I think that a puppy from Heska Mastiffs, Harmony Mastiffs and also Jennifer from Crossroads would be a satisfying and wonderful experience for you and your family.
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I am so sorry about your experience...that is not fun at all!  but I HIGHLY recommend Cece with Glacier Mastiff's that is one incredible lady!!!!! ever since day one since I have known her she has been there for me and justice every time we had a question or anything!!!  good luck!!


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Did you want to breed this pup eventually? If not it doent sound like they won't sell you a pup, they just want to sell them on spay/neuter contracts.
Very few dogs should be bred if the goal is honestly to better the breed.
Limited reg is a good thing.
I hope you talked to them and tried to work something out before you made this public.

I did not want to breed this puppy. I wanted full reg. since my daughter wants to participate in Junior Showmanship. Limited reg. would be fine if she can show a limited reg. puppy in junior showmanship.

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Missy, i assure you that you NOT getting a pup from them was one of the best things that could have happened to you. There are some great breeders here on the board and it may cost a little more but you will be treated decently and you WILL get your papers. I love how crossroads assumes Lisa and Gary made this decision out of some altruistic concern(made me laugh out loud). The pup could have just been sold to someone else for more money... lol it could have been sold to two or three people even. Good luck to you!
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"A lot of petty, unprofessional mess can be avoided when you have a basic, common respect and liking for one another.  I have also found that life's dealings in general are so much smoother and easier when you are interacting with a higher functioning crowd." 

What exactly are you saying here Jennifer?

Are you stating that all of the people who have been wronged by Lisa are from low functioning crowd and that Lisa has the right to do the wrong thing repeatedly?

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"A lot of petty, unprofessional mess can be avoided when you have a basic, common respect and liking for one another.  I have also found that life's dealings in general are so much smoother and easier when you are interacting with a higher functioning crowd." 

What exactly are you saying here Jennifer?

Are you stating that all of the people who have been wronged by Lisa are from low functioning crowd and that Lisa has the right to do the wrong thing repeatedly?





Of course not Steve!!!  I've actually only heard one side of the story with regard to your circumstance and others.  I think it would be extremely unfair for me to pass judgment on anybody without hearing both sides of the story.  If you look back on this and the other thread, you'll see I have commented on MY personal experiences only.  I've been very careful to avoid making a comment on anybody else's experience with Lisa or Gary.  I've simply shown my beautiful Dreamquest dogs and I've spoken of my truly professional dealings with them.  The quote from above again references my dealings in life.....the words  "I have also found" would be the dead give away there.  I would never be so small or petty as to lump a group of people sharing just one common experience into an ugly category like that....that just isn't my style.



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I am so sorry that you are dealing with this. Im sure your heart is broken...but just know that the members of this board are some of the most honest and helpful people i have ever come across. I only wish that i had come across this community before i purchased from lisa and gary. If you just ask around ....you will find a puppy just right for you and your family. AND you wont have to worry about looking over your shoulder....wondering if your going to get screwed.  Best of luck to you!

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Sometimes we do not know why situations work out the way they do? Just trust that the right thing happened. The older I get.....the more I am learning to trust my gut instinct. I should say that the Holy Spirit is trying to guide me :-) The baby meant for you and your family is out there. Wishing you the best.


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Just a brief update;

I received my paperwork last week and Haus is now registered to me as
Dreamquest" Limited Edition.
With the times as they are I thought I would throw some good news in amongst the bad.
He is looking more and more like his daddy everyday.


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Bill - Congrats on your boy - sounds like he is special to you. Cheers, and years and years of love and joy with him.


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David - I don't understand why you find another persons experience (in this case Crossroads) so funny. If they have had a positive experience with a party you have not, that still doesn't make it funny. I got the impressing they were only expressing views based on their own experience.


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Missy,
I am very sorry for your disappointment. I have no experience with Dreamquest, but I did want to chime in on one thing. I don't know how old your daughter is, but a Mastiff may NOT be the best thing to put a junior handler on. It's not YOUR dog, but many times there are other dogs that even just standing ringside (may not even be other Mastiffs) that can be dog aggressive. With a young girl on such a large dog that will probably try to defend themselves could spell DISASTER in just a few seconds' time. You certainly don't want your daughter trying to break that fight up and not stopping the fight can also prove to be a VERY bad thing. I have a young daughter and she's participated in 4-H (she's borrowed a smaller dog), but I will not allow her to handle even a 6 month old Mastiff puppy (that can easily weigh 100lbs. or more at that age) until she is much older (Middle teens I'd reconsider it, but it depends on her strength and abilities). She's begged MANY times and I even considered it for a few minutes until I heard a few others' experiences with that....Just something to consider if that's the main reason you are shopping for a Mastiff pup. Look in the Junior ring. There's a reason you see a lot of smaller dogs in there. If you do see a large dog, they are asking for a bad situation and will probably learn "the hard way". Just my two cents as I have a young daughter that wants to handle as well, so I can relate. Good luck with whatever pup ends up being right for your family. Mastiff or not.

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PS. Also, another quick thought. For that price, I certainly wouldn't expect to get a fully-registered, decent quality Mastiff (and it sounds like you might have been expecting at least the low end of show quality for your purposes). A bargain, is a bargain, is a bargain....Again I know NOTHING about them or the puppy's quality, and breeders price their dogs the way they do for their own reasons, but just another thing to consider in the big picture.


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Without judging breeder or potential buyer, it has been my experience many many times that things work out one way (rather than the way you wish) for a reason.  You may not understand it or agree with it now, but it is obvious that you were not meant to have one of those pups.  It sucks to hear (as I have heard the same thing in my lifetime)...but it is true.


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I would like to say that I am a proud owner of my girl Destiny which comes from Dreamquest Theoden King and Greiner Hall Brilliant Disquise. ( Please know everything I state here is of MY dealings with Lisa and Gary ) I spoke with Lisa and Gary actually a few weeks before getting my girl from them, they wanted to make sure I was the correct family for their baby girl, and I respected that. Any question or concerns I had they were right there to answer for me. I  met them to get approved for my girl 6 plus hour drive, but soo worth it. I got to meet Gary and Lisa and several of her beautiful mastiffs. I have to say, I have seen alot of mastiffs and their mastiffs were very nice, all looked great,and you could tell they are taken care of VERY well. After meeting with the mastiffs we went inside and talked for a few hours, they talked to me about the pedigrees, types of food and so much more, before leaving they gave us boxes of bones and food for our other mastiffs at home, gave us gift bags of toys and a nice book they made of all their dogs in their pedigrees etc... I personally could not say anything bad if I tried about Lisa and Gary.  Well, after meeting us and talking with us for a while and asking questions and so on, they did approve us for their baby girl and we got to take her home. Although if they would of not felt we were a good home for one of their babies, I can assure you we would of left without a puppy and I would of been heartbroken however they are her babies and she can place them with whomever she wishes.  Lisa emailed me on the way home to make sure we got home safely, then she called the next day to see how she did her first night, she emailed me almost every other day making sure we were happy with her and making sure she was doing well. I can only speak for myself when it comes to how I was treated by them and I must say they are two very nice people and seems to me they are breeding very nice mastiffs with amazing pedigrees as well. Any time I call her or email her, she gets back with me, within a day or so. I am very happy to have Destiny she is an amazing big girl. I would purchase another puppy from Lisa and Gary in a heartbeat and I may in the future. She has the most stunning mastiffs.  I am sorry for everyone that has had issues with Lisa and Gary or issues with any breeder, however my dealings with them have been great. Lisa is a wealth of knowledge, she can go on and on for hours about this breed, pedigrees etc...It is truely amazing.

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Hi,
I'm happy for you that you got your puppy and Lisa actually answers the phone when you call and returns emails, it would be so good if she would do the same to the people she has stolen money from.
Since she will correspond with you then maybe you can ask her when I am going to get my $5500 back? I'm not going to stop making people aware that she is a thief until It is returned.

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Here is the Better Business Bureau link for Dreamquest Mastiffs:

http://www.bbb.org/toledo/business-reviews/pet-shops/dreamquest-mastiff-in-berlin-heights-oh-6002593

Those that have had legitimate business issues with Dreamquest need to contact the BBB and have the problem(s) documented and recorded.

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Yes, please also ask Lisa  when I get back my $ 2,000

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Even for the over-seas folks, I would suggest you file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in her area. It probably won't help you get your money back, but it will greatly lower her score and might prevent others from being "had". Also, as suggested toward another breeder, you should file a complaint with the Attorney General in the state she resides in. I would also complain to the AKC including your contract and your cancelled check or money order. I'm very sorry this happened to any puppy buyer over seas or otherwise.


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Hi Teresa,
I did not realize that the more people that put in complaints to the BBB the more points went against Lisa Jaycox so I will do that for sure.
I did contact the AKC about them taking my money and not sending me my Mastiffs and was hoping it would be classed as actions undesirable from a member, they replied and told me it was a personal matter and they could not help me.
The attorney generals office told me that because I live overseas it would be a long and costly process, this was echoed by every lawyer I contacted both here in Australia and over there.

My only option is to make it my obligation to warm people away from LISA JAYCOX and GARY CARULOFF of DREAMQUEST / ORCHARD HILLS Mastiffs.

They are now also breeding Bulldogs, I guess this now gives the a whole new group of puppy buyers to scam.

Lisa the way I will ever stop pursuing you is when I have $5500 in my bank.

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Steve P... I really wish there was a "like" button as on FB as I most definitly would be clicking on it for your posts!!!!!

The way I see it is sometimes people need to look above and beyond pedigree's and or type. Maybe start by viewing the breeder's morals and values first.
I received a phone call the othe day from a person that put a deposit down for a puppy from Lisa and Gary and then to shortly later to find this forum and read the threads (thats how this person came to contact me). Of course they asked me about if I liked the type/pedigree's Lisa and Gary bred. Yes I said. Then this person asked if I had an oppurtunity to buy a pup from them would I? Hell no! Not because they do not produce quality but because they have no morals or value's by taking ALOT of people's money and held back ALOT of peoples AKC papers and show NO remorse for their actions! And the worse part is they make no attempt to even make it right!! I learned first hand how they operate their business!!! They keep breeding and obviously keep selling puppies although now for a much lower price than years ago and no longer attaching their kennel name to their puppies so why dont they start making things right!!?? Maybe because they never will!!!

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5 1/2 years ago I got a dog.  When I started telling everyone they were outraged and said I would never get the paperwork on him - ever never ever.  He had a reputation of never delivering the paperword and on and on and on.  That same man is now what apparently some consider an honest and reputiable breeder.  You can spend many hours of your life wasting it on people who will never listen and people who are liars and cheaters but it's to your own detriment.  I listen now.  As a matter of fact, you can still read what was promised me that I wrote and he responded on the same website - MastiffWeb.  There are individuals on this website that think he's just the best and are in business with him.  He knows what he promised me and he knows he never delivered because I wrote the AKC and requested the paper work which he denied saying he would ever give me the paperwork.  So I could never register him and show him like I wanted to, this breeder was going to breed him.  The best place to go is the atty generals office - and I'll get there eventually.  And it's not because there is something wrong with the dog.  He's 32" and 215 lbs and is gorgeous and not just because I think so.  There are many breeders who have seen him and pictures and there's nothing wrong with him at all.  So now if just one person says they have a problem with a breeder I listen.  Get to know the people and their reputation before you start spending your money.  There are many people out there just because you were successful with your contact does not mean they are honest and/or good breeders.

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Again.....I am NOT bashing anyone, that's NOT in my nature. I am just making a statement about how I was treated by Lisa and Gary. I am on no one's side here, I just seen this forum and thought I would post my dealings with them. I did get my papers and my baby girl the same day and I was treated very nicely by both of them.  I am sorry for anyone that has been wronged or treated poorly by anyone. ;0(

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There has never been a dog bred by, or sold by, Mill Creek Mastiffs or Mammoth Mastiffs, that tested positive for cystinuria to my knowledge. If anyone knows of one contact me asap....

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There has never been a dog bred by, or sold by, Mill Creek Mastiffs or Mammoth Mastiffs, that tested positive for cystinuria to my knowledge. If anyone knows of one contact me asap....

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For Masafari, Uta, SunshineMtn and others....

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There has never been a dog bred by, or sold by, Mill Creek Mastiffs or Mammoth Mastiffs, that tested positive for cystinuria to my knowledge. If anyone knows of one contact me asap....

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For Masafari, Uta and Sunshinemtn and all the others..

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There has never been a dog bred by, or sold by, Mill Creek Mastiffs or Mammoth Mastiffs, that tested positive for cystinuria to my knowledge. If anyone knows of one contact me asap....

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I'm sorry you find these threads BS Anthony. People do have the right to warn others when they have been wronged! I tried for so long to sort my dealings privately with Lisa and was more than patient, her father even contacted me and claimed that he was going to rectify Lisa's wrong doings. More stalling tactics!
Hell I have even got emails from Angie bagging out Lisa and how she moved near Lisa to help her out and Lisa done the wrong thing by her and she move back to where she was originally to get away from Lisa and Gary.

I don't see how you can say that either Lisa Jaycox or Angie Fish are good people. Good people do make mistakes for sure, the difference is though that they right their wrongs and do not just move on to their next prey. How many people do they have the rip off before you consider these people to not be morally correct?
I am sorry if you find these thread BS but to me the only BS here is BEEN SCAMMED.

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Steve, you do not owe anyone an apology for telling your facts.   If anything, this person should be ashamed of ever being associated with such a person or persons.  



Steve, again, I am sorry that you were scammed and by bumping this thread helps anyone else from being scammed then I have no problem bumping this thread also..

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