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Hello everyone,

Before I deal with these people, I wanted to put this out there for all to see.

George and Fredericka Wagner from Flying W American Mastiffs are using a picture of my dogs, Rufus and Vegas, when they were pups. She is advertising them on her "Fondest Memories" page.

http://www.flyingwfarms.com/amastiff/D%20Lakota%20&%20Kodiak%2002%20&%20Chyenne.htm



I'll be contacting her asap, but wanted everyone to see this.

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Tear them apart. It is sick they have to use a real mastiff to advertise there MUTTS!


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LOL!

Incredible!!!

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That just goes to show that they are so ashamed of their own dogs they can't even use them in advertising.

Go get'em  Jann


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Please read from the bottom up.................


Yes, those are my dogs and regardless of who posted them, they do not belong to Flying W, they are not American Mastiffs, and should be removed immediately regardless of who is at fault. 
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Flying W Farms wrote:
I will forward this immediately to the lady that sent
it to me, i will get to the bottom of this today.
I would like to hear what she has to say, did you
have a photo of your two dogs "kissing" same
as these? i mean, are you saying she copied your
photo and then told me it was her dogs?
waiting for an answer, thanks, fredericka
----- Original Message -----
From: Jann Lanz
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Goldleaf Mastiffs

The photo is attached.  No I'm not mistaken.  Those are my dogs and my one of a kind jade table below them in my livingroom.  I have tons of pictures and can prove it if I must, but those are my dogs that are on your website which I'm assuming you have control over.  I'd like it removed it right away.

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Which photo is your dog? these are photos of puppies we sold to the lady that sent us this update. This is part of our references for our
dogs. Folks buy puppies and thru the years they send us updates with photos. These are the photos they sent. Said to be their dogs,
Lakota, Kodiak and chyenne. If you will tell us which photo is yours we will ask the owners to remove it. fredericka
(is there any chance you could be mistaken? mastiffs often look alike). fredericka
----- Original Message -----
From: Jann Lanz
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:27 PM
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Mr. & Mrs. Wagner,

It has been brought to my attention that you are using a picture of my dogs on your website.  You do not have my permission to use this picture.  Remove this picture immediately or I will be forced to take further action.  http://www.flyingwfarms.com/amastiff/D%20Lakota%20&%20Kodiak%2002%20&%20Chyenne.htm

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Turn her in for coping your photos. They will make her remove them ASAP or they will remove her site. She is a sick person.


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 She WISHES her dogs looked that good. I'm glad you found it.  C.


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Does anyone recognize these dogs?  This picture is being used also and many of us feel that we have seen this picture before and that it belongs to a mastiff breeder.  If anyone know who these dogs might belong to, please let us know.  Thanks.








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Wow!! That is very disturbing! I'm glad you found it!


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the date on that photo was DEFINITELY photoshopped, not only crooked but you can see the white where they colored in. 

UNBELIEVABLE!

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I would take that "further action" immediately. What jerks they are.



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Several of the dogs on that site do not look like AMMA's. I think the snow pictures are Maria of Dunraven Mastiffs. But Not sure. I swear I have seen that picture before. I hope everyone goes and looks to make sure their dogs are not there. Many of the dates are photo-shopped.


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Remember this happened to Linda and I as well. Those people had Sam and Samantha on their website to push their pups. They had a picture of an old bitch of Linda's as both the mother and father of another litter. Linda got the whole website shut down.  


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Lorie,

I PM'd Maria the picture and asked her if they're her dogs.  I haven't heard back yet.

I sat there and went through every single one of her alphabetical listings and for the most part, the pictures all have children or people in them, so those would be hard to "borrow".  I didn't see any I recognized other than the snow picture.


ETA:  I just heard from Maria - they are not her dogs.  Who else gets SNOW that has posted pictures that we would recognize?


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I dont know it just looks familiar and I havent been to that site before. I am not sure where those pictures are from but some dont look like AM. Glad they are not hers. Maybe someone will recognize them.


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Eileen's dogs...maybe?

I have seen those pictures before but I can't remember where.

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Flying W Farms wrote:

I will forward this immediately to the lady that sent
it to me, i will get to the bottom of this today.
I would like to hear what she has to say, did you
have a photo of your two dogs "kissing" same
as these? i mean, are you saying she copied your
photo and then told me it was her dogs?
waiting for an answer, thanks, fredericka

Her wording and tone leaves me to believe that she has little intention of following through on correcting the picture.  You may want to go ahead and move forward with action. 

What a piece of work.

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I see that the picture is still there and she said it would be removed yesterday.  Linda, anyone, what are my options? How did you deal with this Linda?  Thanks.

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We all start a fund to start legal proceedings against Flying W and the harm they are causing the Mastiff community.


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Check with Carrie on the snow pic.


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Findout where her site is through and contact them under terms of use and it will tell you how to do it from there. I will go see what I can find out.


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http://bright.net/safety/?PHPSESSID=ba92d234a1eebc677506cbb040f32291

This is who her email is through and probably her website also. Contact them first.

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flyingwfarms.com resolves to 207.89.253.61 - there is an abuse # for the host co below -


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IP Location: United States United States Buffalo Corecomm Internet Services Inc
Resolve Host: web24.hosting.core.com
IP Address: 207.89.253.61
SSL Cert: 2007-07-27 SSL Certificate has expired.
Reverse IP: 226 other sites hosted on this server.
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Linda contacted the host of her site and they took the whole web site down.


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wouldn't this be called "Internet Fraud"

after all it's very clear she has a history of stealing photos off of other breeders websites and putting them on her own site.  That's false advertising.  I believe you could bring criminal charges against her.

I'm sure Linda would back you up since this Flying W stole her pictures as well.  It shows a "history" ...



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 - it was a mastiff breeder, not the Flying W.   (It was Mastiffs For Sale.net   the web designer was conner.net)But I called their phone number and talked to the person .. I told them to remove it immediately or I would sue their sorry ass. I gave them 24 hours, since they said they had a web provider that did these things for them. 24 hours and five minutes later I called them again, then called their "provider" , and five minutes later not only the picture was removed but their whole web site.


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  Oh, Boy--I bet the AmMa folks hit the ceiling.  POOR woman!  Here go the big bad OEM breeders persucuting her AGAIN!

LOL!  I bet no one mentions she took Pics that wasn't hers and used them...AGAIN!!

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The site is back up already

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Well, she removed my picture finally.  Thanks for all your advice and support everyone.  I have copies of all this if we ever need it for anything. 

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You know, I can't even BEGIN to tell you how mad this makes me!  It's not even my dogs!  I'd "go for it"!  This is the place where my clients get their "AMS" at.  Wait until I tell my one assistant!  You go girl!  Don't back down!  Wow!  I'm just speechless!


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