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My God....

This makes me literally sick. Those poor poor babies. How truly heartbeaking.

I hope she is found and posecuted to the full extent of the law... and then some.

Prayers for the ones saved.



I'll go hug my babies now.

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She can't move 10 mastiffs anywhere un-noticed........we are not talking little white fluffy dogs here.
Someone has seen her.

UGH what a tragedy for this breed and for those who truly care.
RIP: Tilly & Max and all the others who remain nameless.
Sleep in the arms of the angels sweet babies.








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Those pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry I just can't get those dogs out of my mind! How sick is that! Gloria is NOT human! No real person would do something like that! What a cold BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!


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As difficult as they are to look at, I want to thank Linda for posting the pictures.  I think sometimes words can be lost over time and forgotten, but those pictures will never be forgotten, as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.


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I promised myself  I would not post these pictures of Max, but for all of you who think this is an exaggeration--just take a look.  These were sent to me last night  and I opened up the e-mail this morning around 1000am --so I only found out about  this in the last 24 hrs.

I want it understood that under NO condition would I tolerate or sit by doing nothing IF I had know these conditions existed.  I wasn't even sure where in SC Gloria was living.  No amounts of threats would have prevented me from acting.  Pulling a gun on me would not have worked either.

 I have spent my entire day trying to contact Gloria or Kazia with no response from either. I think both of you know what I would have done if I had came there and found this--so perhaps it is best you didn't call me.

Max was covered with a piece of tin.  Gloria--you lacked the heart to even bury him.  Max the dog who loved you with all his soul.  There is no forgiveness for you.

I have gone to bat for Gloria in the past--tried to be a friend, but there is no justification for what these pics reveal.. This photos were taken on 2/9--over a week ago and you can tell--Max has been dead for some time.  Kazia--you should have done something when Max died.

Remember what he looked like at Bucks--here is what he looked like a week ago.

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HOLY SHIT!


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Very very sad, such a shame.  Don't understand why people don't just ask for help sometimes.   How very upsetting. 
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 There are NO WORDS, NO FEELINGS to even touch the raw emotion that this has created.  ROT IN HELL!!!! anyone who does this to a dog, human, companion, friend, any breathing life.  There are no words!!!!!
 
 To Linda and anyone who lost a baby to her....my deepest and most heartfelt sympathies.

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I'm so sorry, Linda.  I sure hope someone finds her and rescues the dogs she took! 


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 Apparently Kazia is on the list reading all of this, as I was just private-messaged by her. So ....am I to stand corrected? Whether she bred a litter or not, I remember her many plans of breeding. I don't know if they came to fruition, as soon after a lot of occurences, I blocked her email. The reason I am posting this is, if I am wrong in any of this, I will apologize. And also, I am sure that SSMR can verify if the statements below are true or false. My question is this...TWO pages of comments  from people trying to reach you, why didn't you stand up and come out and make a statement?


I HAVE NEVER, EVER BRED A LITTER OF MASTIFFS IN MY LIFE, MELODY.  PLEASE CHECK ON THAT TO MAKE SURE.  ALSO, I CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY MOTHER'S POOR JUDGMENT AND MISTAKES.  YES, SUE AND
JOE HELPED ME AND I WILL BE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL.
 
FACT IS, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ALL THIS WAS GOING ON WITH GLORIA'S DOGS.  I BOUGHT A LITTLE HOUSE DIRT CHEAP WHICH I RENTED TO GLORIA.....SUPPOSEDLY ONLY TEMPORARILY UNTIL SHE RELOCATED BACK TO FLORIDA.  I WAS NOT EVEN LIVING HERE, BUT WHEN I CAME DOWN AND SAW THE DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS OF HER DOGS, I CONFRONTED HER IMMEDIATEDLY AND IT GOT PRETTY DARNED UGLY.  I CONTACTED SSMR HOPING TO GET SOME HELP BECAUSE I COULDN'T STAND TO SEE GLORIA'S DOGS SUFFERING.  THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME TOMORROW AND PICK UP ALL OF GLORIA'S DOGS.  INSTEAD, SOMEONE CALLED ANIMAL CONTROL AND A WHOLE DAMNED SWAT TEAM SHOWED UP HERE.  THEY CONFISCATED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF GLORIA'S DOGS.  ALL MY DOGS ARE STILL HERE WITH ME......ALL IN GREAT SHAPE AND WELL CARED FOR.  THE AUTHORITIES THAT WERE HERE ALL REMARKED ON HOW BEAUTIFUL THEY ARE.

PLEASE DON'T TRY TO SMEAR ME WITH THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T TRUE.  I'VE BEEN SICK AS A DOG TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF GLORIA'S DOGS, AND IT'S JUST BEEN TOO MUCH.  ALL I'VE DONE IS CRY FOR THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS. 

BY THE WAY, IF YOU'LL RECALL, BELIZE DIED AFTER SEPSIS SET IN FROM A BROWN RECLUSE SPIDER BITE, ONLY A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER I'D ENTERED HER IN HER VERY FIRST SHOW.  I'M STILL HEARTBROKEN OVER IT. 

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Linda, I am so sorry for the loss of your baby.  This woman should be put away for life.

I personally know that she would pimp her studs to anybody with a bitch and a few bucks.

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This is one of the most deplorable acts of cruelty I have ever heard of.  I am in complete disbelief that anyone could possibly do this.  The photos, although horrifying, have completely struck a nerve.  I am sick to my stomach.

I have tears in my eyes everytime I look at my dogs now....how could someone be so heartless.

I know I am way the hell up north in Canada but if there is anything that can be done to help these poor dogs please let me know.  My heart is broken for those dogs, and I am so sorry to Linda and everyone else out there who has been affected by this disaster.


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Catie Honey, your bat isn't big enough, compared to the one I got for her! How dare she do this to those poor dogs??????????? What a sick, sick person she is! Someone some where posted on the board she must of taken the young one to breed and left the old ones back, that's about right dead on. That you be Gloria Davis aka Killer!!!!!!!!!! I don't even think Hell wants her! Poor Max!!!!!!!!!!! You all better start a collection for me to bail me out! If she is here in Florida she can run, but she can't hide!


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I doubt she is back up here in my neck of the FL woods.  She burned way too may bridges here but I'll keep an eye and ear out for any info.


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I want to thank everyone for all the calls and e-mails I received after my panic-stricken posts regarding this horrible situation.  Kazia did call me when she saw that I had called and she explained to me what happened, which is what was posted to Melody.  She still has all of her own dogs at the house with her, my two are there and they are fine.

I too, suggested she post to this list to tell her side of the story, there are always two sides and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.  I have heard so many stories tonight, it is making my head spin, but, the the one constant is that there are so many mastiffs that suffered a horrific death and many others sitting in an animal shelter, where at least they will have food and shelter.

Hopefully, they will catch Gloria soon.  Prison is to good for her.  I say give her to all of us to dole out her punishment. 

Linda, again, I am so, so sorry for your loss and the way you had to find out.  She is in Gods hands now.


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Kazia--if you know where she is--you better speak up. Tell the authorities with whom she left and where she was going--give them the name of her new friend.

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Is there a place that can cremate all the remains so they aren't just taken to a dump....we would gladly help pay into a fund for that---they deserve some kind of respectful end....can rescue see to that and let us all know what is due???  Our closest shelter can do that for people at $125, I just thought maybe that would be available near there as well. Even if they are all put togther would be a closure of sorts.


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I have been chewing on this shit for hours now and I can see why those "freaks" at PITA feel the way they do about domestic dogs and breeding.
 
After seeing those pics of Linda's girl, I'm not sure we've earned the right to live with these beautiful creatures that we call dogs.  I can't imagine what her last days were like.  Shit, if only one person would have wandered by...  It's so tragic. 
 
I see more bad dog owners out there than good ones.  I have come across some really bad breeders.  We are all aware of the amount of puppy mills etc, out there.  Shelters across the country are full of poorly bred, damaged, agressive, scared shitless and/or unwanted dogs. 
 
This woman only strengthens the argument of groups like PITA.  To them, she can be used to make all dog people look irresponsible, callous, uncaring and abusive.  After all, this was a breeder who has had success and was recognized by her peers; ribbons, titles etc.
 
I'm not trying to diminish this tragedy by reducing it to bullshit politics, but others will and their argument will be stronger because of it.
 
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For Ms. Kazia

I sure hope you aren't insinuating that Mastiff Rescue has done anything irresponsible here.  It sounds as though you are saying that someone from SSMR was alerted and then 'blew the whistle' and got the authorities involved. As I have just learned of this horrid mess today as did the South Carolina State Coordinator, I do not know who you could be referring to. IN any case madam, this is well outside the realms of what should be handled by a rescue group alone - understand this  - This is CRIMINAL action and if you stood by for even a SECOND that is criminal too.

I am irrate that you would even so much as twitch a finger in the direction of another party when it comes to the idea of neglect or poor judgement  in this matter.

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I know we are all mortified by the images but as someone in law enforcement I have to say the penalty for this will probably be minimal. I was looking through the South Carolina Statutes and it looks like if she is charged it will probably be a misdemeanor. Most states won't even extradite someone from another state on a misdemeanor warrant.

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For the record It wasn't me--and I know for a fact that rescue had NOTHING to do with alerting the authorties.  It was done by someone outside of rescue.

Don't make rescue your whipping boy for you getting arrested.

Kazia--these dogs have been dead for over 2 weeks.  You should have called the authorties yourself--or called someone to come and help you.  I would have come and helped==so would lots of other people.


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Gloria - I KNOW you are reading these posts - and I AM NOT keeping quiet anymore!!!!  Your threats don't scare me and people deserve to hear this about you...YOU are disgusting and I am praying that you live a miserable life, die a slow & painful death and ROT IN HELL!
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I witnessed horrible conditions in Live Oak, FL when I picked up my first pup 7 years ago.  She wanted to "better her life" and move.  Gloria borrowed money from me to move to NC.  She paid me back some of the money and we decided that I would take a pup to make up the rest of what she owed.  The pup I took was from Max & Lana (JC's littermate).  I visited her in Burnsville, NC and the conditions were horrific there too.  The dogs were dirty, skinny, and starving for attention.  She would shoot the BB gun at them if they barked.  Her Bassett Hound had just given birth and she neglected to notice there was a dead pup in the birth canal for days - the other pups all died a few days later and were simply thrown in the trash.  Most of the Mastiffs had crusty eyes, skin problems, and other problems.
A year later, I went to TN to try to breed my girl and was horrified by what I saw.  After driving 14 hours - I arrived to find a bitch that belonged to Heather George laying on the kitchen floor minutes from death.  I had to talk Heather & Gloria into taking her to the vet at midnight and I was the one holding the bitch's stomach open while a gallon of pus/blood poured out of her - she died in the car the next morning.  Gloria threatened me and warned me that I had better keep my mouth shut and never tell anyone what happened out in TN.  I packed my car and left immediately - never spoke to her again, but carried this guilt that I never dropped a dime on her.  THAT GUILT IS GONE GLORIA.  I want everyone to know everything and I hope you are done & ruined.  I have lots of pictures & lots of proof.  If the law won't punish you for what you have done - we, the mastiff people, will SHUN you ourselves.
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I have received a private email from Kazia - and to be honest I do not know what to believe of her tales anymore - what she just wrote to me is rather different than what she wrote to Melody - she was there BEFORE Tilly died and she could have prevented it.
 
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When I came down here with some of my things, hoping to move in at some point soon, I saw that Gloria's dogs were looking thin and she could have done a much better job of keeping them clean and on dry ground.  I happened to be here the day that Max died, then went back up north for a Dr's. appointment.  I came back down again and found your sweet Tilly lying dead in the frozen ground and went nuts on Gloria.  She still hadn't even buried poor Max.....just threw a piece of tin over him.  I talked with Shirley Edwards from SSMR and she was planning to come here tomorrow with a police officer and take all of Gloria's dogs."


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I have to step away from this for a while. I am just past sick--I've cried a bucket of tears today.  I know I'm not the only one who feel betrayed--but damn it--I take this kind of shit personal..

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How many lies this woman gonna tell. I pray all those sweeet dogs found peace and people who love them in heaven. I can never understand cruelty to a animal. My Prayers go out to Linda and Joann. May you find peace.

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Words can't express the horror and pain of watching this situation unfold on the boards today. Linda, my deepest sympathies. I'm going to go hug my two babies a little tighter than normal tonight. As for Gloria, may she rot in hell. And for those beautiful babies who went to the bridge too soon. I can name so many of those who went before you who are waiting there to greet you, love you and keep you warm. Rest in peace.
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The police were there. Authorities were called and I did tell breeders what was going on. This is not my fault if anything the whole time I was there the dogs were feed by my money, cleaned by my hands and water by my hands. I worked my ass off to give to those dogs. What are you supposed to do when your new to the breed and breeders back each other and do not believe you? I did call humane officers you know what they said, the dogs have food, water, and shelter there was nothing they could do. Do not make statements when you do not have all the facts I have all the emails of me trying to tell the breeders the conditions. I did all that I could at the time. And guess what else the conditions of three years ago where nothing like they are. She has gotten worse and how was I to know it would come to this have not talked to the woman in years. I would have never imagined that she would starve her her dogs to death. I own the lines of these dead dogs so do not for one minute think I do not care. I do not post on forum for reasons like this, people make statements that have no involvement and accuse people of things they do not know. When she lived in NC were were you when her dogs need shelter? See it is easy to point the finger and turn your head. I tried to help her and her dogs. I also had no idea of the way she did things and treated the animals until my whole family was there. Great mastiff breeders never warned me until I was there then it was like a gossip chain of all she did. Then it was trying to save the lives of my children and my self. Do not make this about me its about her.

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Honestly Jill, without Kazia this would not have come to light...HOW many stories come forth about the Gloria's dog abuse, how many times?, how many years?? how many States?  yet, she successfully got away with it up until now and some of us even called her our ' friend' and helped her!
 Kazia would have preferred Mastiff Rescue to handle this. I feel horribly responsible! As soon as Kazia  revealed to me through TEARS, I acted upon it straight away....Without the pics even I would NOT have believed the stark reality...I have NUMEROUS emails from Gloria telling me how she rushed home to Kazia's to "tend to her dogs" . I could NOT believe the pics!...please note, I have this emotional email from Gloria telling me how upset she was about losing her pride & joy, Max.  ..and even Lana...the poor OVERBRED  girl's body was hidden under bushes in the yard left to decompose!
I smiled at Vannessa referring to the fact that, she found her 'children's photos in their underwear under Gloria's pillow'...Gloria may be many things ...a paedophile she is NOT! She would have taken the pics of the children as ' evidence'  as she did of Vannessa's living quartered at her house at TN.  She instinctively knew Vannessa was saying things behind her back about the TERRIBLE conditions ( I greatly improved for her dogs at the time! Vanessa was my offsider while I carpentered away) her dogs were kept in!..She was going to use the ' evidence ' against Vanessa as an ' unfit' mother allowing her children run around in underwear in winter!  Gloria is a very SKILLED liar, great twister of truth...very CONVINCING!
So please let's keep out feet firmly planted...these are HORRIFICALLY emotive, trying times. We bleed as yet again for something that unites us and keeps us together, the love & respect of our dogs! Amasha.


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I think that is a GREAT idea. If we can come up with a recent photo of Gloria Davis, we CAN put it on websites.  Does anyone have one?
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I have spoken to both Kazia and Gloria within the last month.  No concerns or issues were felt by me as they were always about dogs and breeding and care.  I have emails (incriminating) on Kazia that there was no way she was unaware of this horrible situation.  I have a email from Kazia on Feb 6th about a litter she had with a bitch that both her and Gloria was splitting and a litter I'm expecting and her interest in swapping pups.  She also stated that she felt Gloria was probably going to move to FL within the next month or so.  I have other emails from Gloria being concerned about another horrible situation going on in TN where she used to live and interested in how the dogs were.  I have not always approved of Gloria's techniques or situations but this is just not believable especially as Max was her baby and she had so many around her that would have taken them to care for if she couldn't and she knew this.  If she is ok then I'll be the first to go to jail for the beating she deserves but just think that there's alot of "somethings fishy" going on around here.  I do however feel that Kazia was fully aware of this as this did not happen over night.  I actually took a male, Stepford, from Kazia over 1 year ago that looked liked he was days from his death bed and every bone was visible as well as a bitch she had named Bimini however was given a story of the vet she boarded her dogs with did this and that because she couldn't pay the board fee they didn't take care of dogs and I have hard time believing a vet would have let them look as they did when I saw them.  Again "somethings fishy".  Gloria if you are OK, damn you.  I've always tried to help in need and others around too and just a call away.  Kazia, I know your reading and would like to let you know, "hell no" I will not trade pups as I know you are involved way more than you want the "authorities" and us to know.  Anyone who can let me know who to forward my emails and conversations to please contact me as again on Feb. 6th Gloria was still living with Kazia in Carolina and according to others this was discovered on the 9th. 


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well, I had contact with Gloria davis around christmas, she wrote me that she was moving to florida and we would see her in the ring soon. As for Kazia, dont waste to many tears on her either. I paid her 250.00 for a stained glass peice THREE YEARS AGO, and still dont have it. She has not responded to any of my emails, despite the fact she said she would be sending the peice several times over the last couple of years.

Kazia is just as guilty as Gloria, I know they were spending some time together, Gloria wrote me that I should give Kazia the benefit of the doubt on the stained glass issue, because of her illness. Well, that illness hasnt stopped her traveling around and breeding dogs.
The thought of those dogs dying in the freezing cold weather breaks my heart, I have seen this in cruelty cases, but it never seizes to make me angry.


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I do not know what to say.  I have seen so much doing various rescue for as long as I have but these pictures speak volumes and my heart is shattered.  I hate to think how they suffered, and I pray that there really is a better place they are all in now.  All free, all happy, and all warm with love. 

Linda, I know how much you care about every single baby that has ever been in your hands and heart.  Sorry is no where near strong enough for the way I feel for your loss right now, and your betrayal.  I send you thoughts of peace, and you will always have our love. 

Someone will find her, she will screw up, then she will go down for it.  If everyone involved keeps up with the case, stays in touch with the prosecutors, and become just royal pains in the ass about it there is a potential for a lot to be done about it.  But, when everyone forgets is when they will let it go away.  I dunno about where they are, but here it would be a felony crime and does not carry a huge sentence but can have one and imo prison is the perfect place for her.  Maybe someone will lock her in a cold cell, and ignore her pleas for help...


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Jill and the others in rescue...

When I spoke to Kazia tonight, she did not speak ill at all about rescue and never even hinted that they may have called the authorities.  She was grateful that they were going to come get Gloria's dogs, but they had to wait until tomorrow to have a policeman friend come with them to help, there were a lot of dogs. 
She then got a phone call to advise her "that someone called the authorities and they are on their way", she never thought it came from rescue, nor does she have any idea who called.  In her conversation with me, rescue was doing all they could to help, she was grateful for alll they were trying to do to help.
I am not taking sides, there are no sides, just thought I would pass along what was said to me.

Linda, for what it's worth, I was on the phone with her for over an hour hearing the whole story from start to finish.  It is a very long, complicated, heartbreaking story.  I would imagine it would be hard to write what happened in an e-mail and have all of the pieces fit together the way she told me it all happened.  For what it's worth, I would call her when you are ready and have her tell you the story start to finish, so you get the whole story, and then make your decision as to what to believe.  It's pretty bad. Would I have done things differently, absolutely, what would I have done, I don't know, but God willing, I will never put myself in the situation where I would have to make those decisions. 


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Tracey, this is very true about Kazia and her stained glass dealings. You are not the only one she screwed over on that. I know that's minor, compared to watching dogs live in filth and starve to death, but it is still an overall insight into her character


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I can say I am just as disgusted as the rest. My dear Friend Lillian tried to help Gloria while living in NC. She loaned Gloria $7 Grand before she moved to TN trying to help her dogs. When Gloria didn't pay I tried to help Lillian and was threatened repeadily by Gloria. What a waste!!!! This has gone on for years, way before Kazia. Everyone is screaming why was something not done in TN when it had went on in FL for many, many years too.

There were many whistle blowers in this story from years ago. Point the finger at Gloria!!!! She had to constantly keep moving to leach off yet another victim and when she couldn't pay and hide her antics, she moved! Alot of people put the information out there of what was happening for years, Gloria is a master manipulator and preys on people's sympathy. The whole mess is sad. I am sorry for all the Mastiffs and breeders involved.

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my email from gloria in dec

so she knew she was leaving, and knew she was going to leave those dogs there.
its my emial I give permission to post!!

 
I just got back from Florida and may be moving back to be closer to friends and family.....probably not until late Jan. or early Feb., so the Florida gals just might be seeing me again in the near future.  I can't wait to get back out there with a couple of my dogs.  (BLACK, like you wouldn't believe!)
 
By the way, the last I heard, Kazia was in pretty bad shape......on dialysis 5 days a week, plus another round of chemo treatments.   She's been a recluse since she lost all her hair, including eyebrows and eyelashes.  I feel so sorry for her.  She's such a beautiful woman, inside and out.  I hope you get things worked out on your stained glass piece.  I'm sure it's not for lack of trying on her part.  She's had it rough the last few years and honestly is one of the nicest, kindest people I've ever known.   When I had 2 litters of premature puppies, she was right there to help, 24/7, and did an amazing job.  I gave her a dog that she fell in love with and she cried her eyes out.  She'd lost everything.....her home, her car, and a mini-farm, but after all this time, she finally was recently approved for Social Security Disability, so I hope things improve for her.  I'd love nothing more than to see her out at the dog shows again.  Her family tried to force her to give up her Mastiffs, but that was out of the question.  Several good friends helped her out and fostered her dogs while she went through all these treatments.  I think she'd probably have given up a long time ago if it wasn't for her love of our breed, so please keep her in your prayers. 
 
Merry Christmas and have a healthy, happy NEW YEAR!  I'll let you know when I move back to Florida.  Looking forward to seeing everyone.
 
All the best,
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I have laid on my floor crying for about 2 hours now with my dogs as I have read this thread.  I am new to the breed compared to all that have written and know history here, but it shines such light on so many, many things.  We fight over ribbons, words, whose better than who, friendships lost/divided, co-ownerships, type, breedings and then a thread like this emerges - it just makes (for me) all the rest so trivial (and seeing a dead dog in a mud pit makes the rest so flipping ass trivial).

No dog should have to die in the mud, NO MATTER WHAT! EVER!  Rest in peace sweet babies, rest in peace and know your life mattered and was treasured. 

I just want to know where are the powers that be to stop this kind of shit??? Why don't people speak up, why is this not stopped before we all sit and cry while seeing dogs lying, suffering dead in mud?   This is BS! 

My deepest sympathies to those so closely related and connected to this tragedy and to those who sit in sadness tonight questioning what this truly is all about.........

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First I would like to offer my most heartfelt condolences to all of the owners/breeders who have been affected by this situation. 

 

I have been around this community for almost 17 years now and have known Gloria for about 10.  I met her on my first adventure to Bucks.  How I was in awe of her beautiful King!  He was just the sweetest boy.  (her handling of the breeding I tried to arrange with him is another story that I would comment on in a private post)  Gloria seemed so knowledgeable and was so informative and helpful with all things Mastiff including pedigrees, breeding and history. 

 

I had befriended a woman who, long story short, after losing her mastiff ended up buying a Frenchie (I think it was), from Gloria and Martha. I had recommended Gloria to her since they were only a few hours apart. My friend told me how I would never approve of the conditions the dogs were living in if I were to see it for myself.  Either in small runs or cages, the majority of them were outside and not well kept, I was told.  I thought well, maybe she just caught them on a bad day.  Perhaps they had the dogs outside in anticipation of her arrival.  Maybe she was just a neat freak.  Gloria's dogs couldn't be like that.  She put too much time into them.  Most were show dogs for goodness sake.

 

Gloria started the "Typey" list, to which I proudly accepted the invite, because she was tired of the favoritism and insignificant topics discussed on another list dedicated to mastiff breeders.  At first, the Typey list was great.  An apparent conglomeration of folks dedicated to the preservation of the breed as history portrayed.  She would always try to induce chat when the list grew quiet.  I was a firm believer that she really loved her dogs by the stories she told and the topics she raised.  One who didn't care about their dogs would never invest that much time or effort.

 

As with most lists, to speak ill of another breeder was prohibited.  There also seemed to be consequences for anyone who disagreed with the list owner, however, regardless of the topic.  One by one, fanciers (whom I hope are still worthy of admiration) became tangled in heated debates with Gloria, and departed the list.  I had also been scolded for disagreeing on things like, insisting my puppies live indoors.  Because I hadn't been around for 25+ years, I guess had no idea what I was talking about despite the fact that my immediate mentor (another prized package, as it turned out ) was someone that she seems to respect greatly. 

 

Old timers, old timers.  How those they mentored would eventually turn around to betray them.  That was a phrase that repeatedly resonated on the Typey list.  Looks like now, at least in your case Gloria, we know why.  I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but my dogs are always taken care of, generally before myself. As I sit here typing into the wee hours of the night, they are either curled up on the bed or in front of the fire, warm and full bellied.    

 

I have written all of this not because I am interested in condemning the actions of an obviously severely disturbed person, but because I am horrified at my own judgment and ostrich like attitude.  To think I tried to smooth ruffled feathers because I admired you so much just sickens me.  Learning what I have in the past 4 hours of reading everyone's posts, I now wonder King's real fate.  You said he died from the Fla heat.  I guess your "cooling system" didn't work very well??

 

I have tried to maintain eloquence and diplomacy while writing, but if you are reading this Gloria, knowing what I do now, I would not cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire.  The photos of those once beautiful dogs will be forever burned into my memory and resurrected, along with the utter contempt I feel for you now, every time I hear your name.  May you sleep well at night while you can.  Your judgement day will come.

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Like many of you, I barely know what to say as I sit here, having cried for so long, with my two beloved Lionhearted Mastiffs at my feet.  I look at the pictures of those majestic, big-hearted dogs left laying dead in filth and mud.  I look over at Ben, son of Max, and see so much of his daddy in him, from his loving personality to his wonderful physical representation of the breed, which, although I am an owner with not too much money, allowed him to earn his championship in such a short time.  Then, I hear my Ranger, son of Hammer, grandson of Shiloh, snoring at my feet and think how much he reminds me of my most special mastiff, his Uncle Sam, son of Shiloh, with his quick intelligence, comedic abilities, marvelous head and huge size.  I recall other Lionhearted dogs that have saved me, one literally--my Hank--from death, and some figuratively during my husband's four deployments to Iraq. I think of the joy and comfort that these Lionhearted dogs of mine have given so many through the animal assisted therapy work we have done with them for years. I think of how, when I had an emotional and physical breakdown and my beloved Sam was diagnosed with cancer, Gloria took him for five months, taking almost no money, and according to the vet, keeping him alive much longer than he would have expected, long enough for me to get well enough to come home and have almost nine months longer with him.  I think of how, when I came to pick up Ben and Ranger from Kazia and Gloria's after a week of their keeping them, J.C. was at the gate wagging his tail at me expecting to come back with me (He had been staying in my house after going on a show circuit around here.)  My mastiffs are inside boys with special beds, toy boxes, etc... J.C. adapted very well to this life, and I kept asking Gloria (jokingly, but also seriously), "When you are ready, I would love to get J.C. back as one of my children.  Now, J.C. is boney, scared, and bewildered and my last memory of him is his hopeful tail-wagging when we drove up and running along the fence when we drove off. How I wish I could get this boy and take him into my home, that was his home for a while, and that I would love for to be his home forever, where he could be safe, warm, well-loved, and well-fed.  

Like most of you, I wish I could take each and every dog, but I can't, so I guess that J.C., besides having been my adopted boy for a while, is a symbol of what I wish I could do.

Then, I think back to these recent posts and the pictures which speak volumes, and I want to scream, "How do I fit these two images of Gloria together?  How, although we never lived within 100 miles of each other, did I keep in touch about puppies, dogs, and other aspects of life over the years and not have a clue that this could happen to dogs I knew, at the hands of a person I really thought I knew?  

As have many of you, I have looked at various articles and programs exposing animal cruelties before and been heart-broken and ferociously angry at the sub-human who would do anything neglectful or cruel to these pure representations of love on every level.  I have wanted the full penalty of the law upon them and wished the law was harder, that it recognized the full magnitude of such horrific behavior and punished accordingly.

I do not know what happened to the person that I thought I knew for so long; I just hope that if there ever was/is any small part of that person still in existence, that she will emerge, admit what has happened and take full legal and personal responsibility, and get the help that she needs.  

The Lionhearted Mastiffs themselves have touched so many lives: may the memories of those past be cherished; may the time with those present be even more special than before, and may, if there is any way possible, those rescued from their horrific conditions be turned over into loving hands as soon as possible.

J.C., I love you and waiting for you....I hope the person watching you at the shelter might read this and whisper those words to you.

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My god this is appalling in so many ways.  I'm in tears over what has happened to these poor dogs.  I can't bear to think about what they went through...it hurts too much.  I'm so sorry for you, Linda, to have your girl die like that.   I know that will haunt you for time to come. 

But what is also appalling is that I've been on these mastiff boards for years and I've never heard a bad word about this breeder before.  Yet you knew this crap about her.  How many people have gone and bought pups from her?  I myself have admired her very dark mastiffs and thought about buying one, having no idea that she mistreated her dogs.  That's crazy! 

You guys should have been shouting this from the rooftops!  Why would you  protect someone like this?  She's scum!

I do hope she's caught and that she gets the book thrown at her.  Unfortunately, it probably won't be much more than a fine. 

RIP Tilly and Max. 

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I sure hope you aren't insinuating that Mastiff Rescue has done anything irresponsible here.  It sounds as though you are saying that someone from SSMR was alerted and then 'blew the whistle' and got the authorities involved. As I have just learned of this horrid mess today as did the South Carolina State Coordinator, I do not know who you could be referring to. IN any case madam, this is well outside the realms of what should be handled by a rescue group alone - understand this  - This is CRIMINAL action and if you stood by for even a SECOND that is criminal too.

I am irrate that you would even so much as twitch a finger in the direction of another party when it comes to the idea of neglect or poor judgement  in this matter.

HOW DARE YOU

Hi Jill,
Omg, I was most definitely not insinuationg that Mastiff Rescue handled things inappropriately, or 'blew the whistle'.  Yes, this IS criminal action, and I spoke with a friend from S.C. today who knew the whole story, and I asked him if he would have Shirley Edwards call me so that I could let her know what was going on.  She was wonderful and helpful on the phone and offered to come to the house with a police officer friend of hers from the area....BUT they couldn't come until Tuesday.  I also spoke with Lisa Armstrong who suggested that I call Animal Control.  She was concerned that with me being the owner of the house that Gloria was renting from me, if Animal Control showed up, that they could confiscate ALL of the animals, including my dogs which I was in the process of moving to my new home in S.C.  Gloria had plans to move to Florida with a new friend of hers and they had (and probably still have) plans to move together to Florida.  Gloria had mentioned it to me numerous times and seemed quite happy with her new relationship.  I have been, but the few times that I came down here, I mentioned to Gloria that it looked like her dogs were losing some weight and that I was unhappy with how dirty the kennels looked.....also the inside of my house was totally trashed, and I'll have to replace all the carpeting as soon as I'm able.

I started to get upset because 'what if' they could confiscate all the dogs.  I would just die if there was some weird law that said they had to take mine.  Long story short, Animal Control pulled in the driveway right in the middle of my conversation with Shirley.  She called again while the Animal Control people were here and I handed the phone to one of the officers so that she'd be able to tell him that they (rescue) were already informed of the situation here.  Please Jill, confirm this with Shirley.  In no way did I ever insinuate that Shirley or anyone from rescue 'blew the whistle.  Shirley, in fact, did not want that to happen, because she wanted to come over with the officer friend she knows to help me tomorrow.

I am too exhausted right now to address some of the other posts....I've barely slept in days.  Animal control did an inspection of the entire place, seized ALL of Gloria's dogs.  Mine are all here and they are fine and
in good condition. 

To anyone who is reading this, please try not to judge me until you know the facts.  I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PHOTOS OF THE CONDITIONS AND OF THE POOR DOGS WHO DIED, and I have more photos that I will be giving to the officer who said he'd stop by to help me in any way he could, so please don't shoot the messenger.  If it hadn't been for me, there probably would have been more dead dogs.  I was not living in the house yet, and I want all of Gloria's things out of here as quickly as possible.  I was told that I should go to the magistrate's office and get an eviction order, and while I'm at it, I might get a restraining order as well.  I've been walkiing around in a daze, totally numb from this whole ugly situation, and I can't stop crying.  Gloria should NEVER be allowed to own or breed a dog again, and I'm cooperating with the authorities as best as I can.

Gloria's friend's name is Susan, and she drives a white Ford 150 pickup truck.  I tried to get the license number because Gloria refused to give me her phone number or address.  I've even asked the neighbors to please try to get the license number if they see the truck in the driveway again.  I'm about 99.9 percent sure that Gloria isn't in Florida with her friend yet because she still has lots of personal belongings here.  I'd love to pitch them all out in the street, but it would be totally illegal.

As I find more information, I will keep you all posted.  This has been a nightmare, but I feel I did the right thing by putting the word out on what was happening here.

Thank you, Shirley for you phone calls and your help today.  I wish that you had been able to come and get the dogs before A.C. showed up.  I'll give you a call tomorrow.  Catie, I'll phone you as well, and Linda, I've sent you two emails over the last couple of days, but haven't heard from you.  I have 14 messages on my phone that I haven't had a chance to call back yet.  Need sleep badly.

Oh, and Melody, someone called me and told me about all the things that were being posted on the forum earlier in the evening, so, no, I haven't been lurking.  I am not stupid and I knew that it would become public knowledge in a very short time because again, I AM THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PHOTOS OF THE DOGS AND EMAILED THEM TO A FEW PEOPLE.  If I hadn't done that, nobody would have known about this horrific situation, so please don't be so quick to judge me when you don't know the whole story.

Thanks to all for your support and concern.  Linda, please call me tomorrow when you can.  Tilly was such a sweet girl......I've told you that in one or two of our phone conversations.  And poor Max.....my heart just hurts so badly right now, and I'm sleep deprived.  Will keep you all posted as I get any news.

My sincerest condolences.  I want to be able to talk with this group without being condemned.

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You guys should have been shouting this from the rooftops!  Why would you  protect someone like this?  She's scum!
 


I agree wholeheartedly. Again, why is there such a huge taboo on speaking out against bad breeders? Those of us who love the breed SHOULD tell people when we see red flags. Instead of banning people for "breeder bashing", maybe we all should step back and think that maybe there's a story that needs to be exposed. I understand the camaraderie between breeders, but we can't let this kind of thing continue to happen. From now on, we should have the courage to yell from the roof tops when something is amiss. I know breeders have no problem identifying bad buyers, but shouldn't we also police ourselves to some extent. I'm completely against "covering" for someone who's doing this to their dogs. IT's time for us as a community to rise up, band together and take a stand regarding the humane and loving treatment of our breed.

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Linda, I am so sorry for your loss. I know from my puppy buying experience with you just how much love and care you put into your pups

maybe as a group we can see to it that the remaining dogs find good loving forever homes or at least donate to the rescues that no doubt will end up over whelmed with dogs.

This is a perfect example of why i do not and will not ever buy a dog without going to the breeder's place in person. You can't really know someone online, and as is clear with this women people who know aren't always in a position to tell the real story. For he sake of the animals take the time to see where they are born and be sure the brood bitches and studs live in a manner that you find acceptable. That is the only way these types wil ever be put out of business

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Crossroads, whoever you are, obviously a circumspect, charitable, who speaks with great authority about snippets of incidental information and matters you know nothing about!! ! No wonder people suffer in silence & keep quiet! I strongly object to your accusation of "LIES"!  There were NO lies, No 'co-ordination' from my part with Kazia ! I do NOT live in the States. I have NEVER met Kazia, just spoke to her several times on the phone trying to catch up with Gloria after her dramatic email about Max's death! Gloria was seldom there or she emailed..."sorry, madly in love, seldom sleep here just run in to " TEND TO MY DOGS at Kazia's, pick up some things." She was happy, I did NOT suspect any foul play! My heart went out to her losing Lana & Max so close together !

I am sorry I did not check on the exact time to please your telescopic eye! You are 16 hours behind me! Let me spell it out to you Crossroads, LOUD & CLEAR  when I phoned the 'other day'...few days ago,..2 days ago ? seems like eternity now! and you make it sound so SINISTER! I phoned on a phone card otherwise I could give you the exact time from my landline record and inquired about just when is Gloria shifting, how is she coping with Max's death?

That's when Kazia broke DOWN...Remember, I am NOT her bosom buddy she told me that she cannot keep the secret anymore regardless of consequences! Gloria was supposed to be shifting her dogs, some disappeared others appeared...but conditions were not good She was concerned for Gloria's dogs. JC & the others were getting ' thin'. From what I understand Gloria told her that she buried the dogs. ( Lana & Max) She NEVER mentioned Tilly to me! 

STRAIGHT AWAY I said, "YOU MUST CALL FOR HELP", as soon as practicable, the NEXT day ( I spoke to her late in the afternoon my time...banks were shut! ) I  sent some money over to feed Gloria's dog on my friend's Paypal to save time..( I have NO Paypal but time I felt was of the essence! ) put my post on the Forum  IMMEDIATELY as soon as I was sent the deplorable pictures. I had NO IDEA of just HOW BAD conditions were. I did NOT have kept my mouth shut for ONE minute...I tried to get help for Gloria's dogs ASAP from her friends...by my POST on the Forum...seems like days ago now..may have only been 2 days!!!!!!! You have upset me beyond belief with your bigotry...I didn't sleep on it, I sent money & told Kazia to ASK for help IMMEDIATELY! 

As to your other accusation re TN 3 years ago....I have been to the States several times previously & will be visiting again soon, staying on 40 acres at Cape Cod. ...Gloria's was VASTLY different setting to say the least. She just arrived to Lindum...2-3 week previously. It was RAINING...the dogs were knee deep in mud, faeces which incidentally got cleaned EACH day...just NOT how I would have cleaned it. ALL were fed & watered each day...NOT how I would have done it & were kennelled in make shift tarpaulin shelters..Gloria told me she left all her WONDERFUL kennelling in North Carolina! From what I hear on these posts that was bull``t! She had Vanessa & her family there with 4 of their own dogs including a wolf...again, not how I would have kept my dogs ...apparently Gloria had to lend them some kennelling...maybe also bullsh``..t. Nevertheless, NONE of her dogs were starving!

Max and Tilly looked WONDERFUL...I have pics LUCKILY of their condition for your scrutinising eyes!  All in all, dogs looked OK...just in pathetic, by MY standards ...squaller...but then I have visited some reputable English kennels in England that I was a bit perturbed by in regards to their kennelling...

ME not any of you, set out to BUILT expectable shelter for the dogs, bought a whole bunch of timber, metal roofing, proper weldmesh panels, built platforms to keep  the dogs  off the frozen ground, bought better food MEAT & yoghurt, generally RAISED the bar!  Got Gloria to start taking better care. She sold her Pugs, Chihuahuas, a few of her Mastiffs, a Sharpei...and promised to euthanize 2 of her dogs that she ' loved' so much! I told her she was torturing them with 'love' now I know she would have been too embarrassed to take them to the vet...alas, I could NOT finish all I set out to do...but I am very proud of the fact that the life for her dogs improved by far! She even got a job cooking at a nursing home & was proudly telling me that she was taking meat, eggs etc home to feed her dogs who DID improve dramatically.

There were 3 incidences I considered barbaric...one was to put this pathetic little black bitch to the stud dog...Gloria wanted to find out if she was ready for mating...many of some  good dog breeding folk may do the same....(even use breeding wracks! ) I yelled at her & made her take her out! She was 2 years of age & in season...but we were all there...all she had to do is ask me to have her on a lead..have Max on a lead..& introduce them in a much less stressful manner......the excessive force was when Vanessa'a wolf was attacked by her own dog...nobody but Gloria tried to separate them....it looked like the Mastiff was going to kill the wolf...Vanessa's husband didn't rush to rescue or separate what appeared to be a horrific fight that should not have happened in the first place....and  Gloria overmedicated her poor little Chihuahua stud dog who died after 3 days of being on death door....I BEGGED to be able to take him to the vet but G said that, he's fitted b4 & will get better. He had the heat lamp on him most of the time. Conditions were PRIMITIVE buy hey, many ' dog breeders' seem to think that their conditions are OK.

So Crossroads forgive me for not dobbing her in...just for what exactly as an Australian tourist???? I think you owe me an apology! How about all the good folk living in the States KNOWING about what she was like &  still dealt with her. I would NOT have sold her a pet rock after looking at her conditions...again, totally foreign to me BUT have seen similar in doggy circles! That's not how I do it!

I was horrendously attacked on this Forum some years ago...I reeled back from getting back on it ever again.. I felt at the time  the sky would open & God will silence the attackers & lies...evidently, God had his ear muffs on that day! I have some lovely news, stories to share...

I did not bother. My outrage and concern for the poor wretched dogs got me to post again....I am proud to say I have raised the bar in quality of life for Gloria's dogs.  Alas, old habbits die hard! It was only temporary...she got her numbers back again. You live in the States..I was there 3 years ago. Amasha.

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OMG, I can't believe these pictures on here.  These poor dogs, I can't beleive someone would do this.    This is what I would love to do to Gloria and I don't even know her.  Sorry just venting!


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Time and again we see in the news in the UK animals - dogs, cats, horses - left to die. If it happens here it must happen in every state in the USA, and all other countries as well. We are lucky in our breed that we only know of two  major incidents. (I'm not counting the Blaxter case because the circumstances were ambiguous there.)

These things will not be eliminated until the degree of punishment is commensurate with the degree of cruelty in animal cases - and that doesn't happen anywhere I know about.


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