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I have not read all the posts, they are too sad and I admittedly do not know all the parties involved..however, since what I am about to say will probably tick everyone off it is immaterial.

I do not post as a rule on lists...any lists...the main reason for this has finally happened...

Dogs are dead...neglected beyond belief..how many would still be alive if the rule about no bad breeder comments did not exist...if you are a bad breeder then it should be shouted from the roof tops by the people who have HARD PROOF. But we are all tongue tied..breeder bashing,... how many times have I seen that come up over the years when someone tried to tell a story of bad care or irresponsability. Karen Reagan comes to mind first...she had to suffer the loss of her beloved Boz but could never speak of the breeder who had produced and continued to breed epilepsy into their line...and so many more had to suffer the same fate and heartbreak...puppies unjustly removed from homes because the breeder saw show potential in a pup they sold for a pet...

How many of these dogs would have been with Gloria if the LAST time this happened, or someone KNEW she was keeping them in unfit conditions had spoke up. If we as lovers of this breed spoke up on every list...if we said ...do not sell her a pup...do not breed with her. To tell newbies this IS a breeder to stay away from...would these dogs have died?????

we are not just lovers of this breed but the only champions they have. WE need to be honest and not just share the wins and cudos, birthdays and puppy pics but knowledge that often ONLY other mastiff people are privy to through our circle. It is OUR responsability to speak up about ANYONE who is not doing justus to these dogs. Our silence leaves them at the mercy of people like this...we NEED to keep a hotline of TRUE (and you must be able to prove what you say) info on those who abuse these dogs. WE are turning a blind eye on people who should NOT be breeders and allowing them to do as they please. Pedigrees do not lie, medical records can be SHOWN, when do we say...hurt these dogs and you WILL answer to ALL of us.

If you can prove your claims it is NOT SLANDER...a paper trail will back up a claim...witnesses will show guilt. Stop burying your heads in the sand and letting our dogs down.

How many times have you SEEN or KNOWN for a FACT that some breeder was doing things that were unacceptable and said nothing here but whispered it to your friends? Saw a viscious temprament in a dog and just hung your head and pretended not to see, only to have someones dog attacked at a later show...we are the police of our breed and breeders...

WE NEED to have a place to speak up tell the TRUTH about those bad breeders and stop them...it is too late once you are dead in the mud...

I am sorry for those of you who lost your babies...I am sorry for those who knew and respected these dogs only to see this...I am sorry for you who are afraid of what the rest are facing...I am sorry no one would go public with her antics BEFORE you had to post these tears...get mad at me if you like but it is how I feel and needs to be said. Many times I wanted to speak up about a problem but moderators warn and posts get removed and warnings are given ...and so I do not post at all...I can only pray that this will maybe change ideas and we will help point out those who are more ANIMAL then the dogs they hurt....

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Hi
I am so sickened by the photos, what has become of those poor dogs and pups that were rescued have they survived the ordeal or did vets have to euthanise. How heart breaking that these beautiful animals have come to such a disrespectful end. My babies will be sleeping close by my side to night.

Please post how Australian Mastiff lovers can help, donations of money to those caring for the dogs left or to cremate the ones found dead, either way I am happy to help out somehow.
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I don't know any of these people.  But I feel so fing guilty. I did nothing to help those dogs. We - as a group - did nothing to help those dogs. We bitch about coat length and history and blah blah blah and we do nothing when cruelty and disgrace are clearly in our midst.
Can't stop wacked out nuts.  But can't we do something to mitigate their cruelty ? Surely others here have seen this whole damn play before, it's like a script... I tried, I helped some, not my fault, didn't really know, I did this, I did that, not that bad, happened before, was concerned, worried but busy, scared, helpless....
We are all guilty. Some more than others. I am crying my guilt out, but it ain't helping. We really really need to do better than this.

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Kazia,

 I will reserve final judgment on all but Gloria. I cannot say much more than that. I pray the authorities see this through and that punishment is brought to all those who have had a hand in this cruelty, if all the burden falls on 1, then so be it.

Whenever caring people see such cruelty the immediate reaction is to do something. When there is nothing that we can immediately do, for me at least it comes pouring out in emotion. That is why I try to refrain from knee jerk posting because my emotion get the best of me.

I am sensitive when it comes to rescue, we are here to help the dogs, yet so often we are just the clean up crew after mankind has royally failed a creature. It really gets to you sometimes. NC took in a brindle female last week, 105lb of still wagging dog, her estimated proper weight 150- 160. She has teets that are 3 inches long from suckling pups over and over. It is heartbreaking and infuriating.

Again, to know that this kind of abuse fell at the hands of someone known within the mastiff community is sickening.

As a community we are reeling, angry, and sad. All of us see our own dogs when we look at those pictures. When all the truth surfaces and I surely hope it does, we must as a community stay vigilent to this case and see it through to the end - we must not forget or become complacent.

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Sometimes breeder bashing (against the rules) is appropriate and may have helped in this particular case.  I remember several disputes with Gloria at the center of the complaints and there were veiled comments but who really knows what is a real problem and what is just sour grapes?  That is why I say no matter how nice someone seems on the internet, no matter how well you think you know them, the only way to be sure is to go see for yourself.

That said, we can't change the past, but can do something to help the survivors.  Give them the life those poor cold, sick and starving dogs should have had. 
I have rescued abuse cases from animal control, there is not much time, and all that can help need to be organized well in advance of when the dogs are released for adoptions.   they generally hold them for the court case if there is any, as evidence, and schedule them for euthanasia immediately after.  Who ever from rescue has been out to assess the situation needs to let us know how many dogs survived, plans from animal control's standpoint, and what SSMR needs from us to get them out and into safe homes.  Obvously donations, but if there are many we all need to get online and fill out volunteer applications to transport, foster, whatever we can do.  That is my very next step today, get approved for foster or whatever.

We can and should sit and cry over those photos and the suffering of the dogs, be outraged, get mad, sad, whatever, but in the end that doesn't change anything, we all need to be willing to DO SOMETHING.  Like they say, if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

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Amasha, Keeping dogs in "primative" conditions  is one thing--not allowing them a dog house (a tarp is not shelter)--keeping them continously in wet muddy pens, and not feeding them is plain cruelty.  A child would recongize this.  When you got these pictures--you should have immediately contacted someone over here.  Linda, me, rescue--anyone.  A week is a tad bit long to react.

Gloria--if you are reading this and I am pretty sure you are--you knew you needed help.  You knew your dogs were suffering. For over a month we have has severely cold weather  and your dogs were out in it with no shelter from the wind, cold, snow or rain.  You could have called me--I would have brough some of them here and cared for them.  Max could have been in a warm bed, fed and cared for.

I will never forgive you for this  I hope you live a long life--because I want you to have to deal with the results of your actions for many years.  You better find a hole somewhere to crawl in because too many people are looking for you.

Susan(?) Gloria's friend--you need to take heed--you are just the latest to be used.  Don't get sucked into this black hole or the next time it will be you who get arrested when the law shows up.  I would run if I was you.

I want the Mastiff community to know there is no force on this earth that would have prevented me from acting--threats, physical bullying, a gun--nope, it would not have stopped me. It's a damn good thing I wasn't there.

 Kazia--you could have gone and got a restraining order  when Gloria threatened you--you are the property owner and you have rights..  You could have had Gloria locked up for a minium of  24 hours and rescue could have gone in and got these animals removed and cared for.   You had at least a week to do something,  Yes, you took pictures, but you didn't immediately  act on what you found.  You didn't tell anyone who would or could do something.  You sent them 1/2way around the world.   I have a problem with that.

You knew Tilly was suffering --you call Linda a friend and you never breathed a word to her. You could have notified her.  In your heart you knew I would raise mortal hell--so you didn't call me or any of us close by. You simply tried to protest your ass.  You knew I would come in and bust you.

Calling Chuck for help doesn't count either--as an lawyer and a member of the legal system--he knows better, too.  You both put personal interests ahead of these dogs.

You have said you were afraid of Gloria--well,  girly that's why we have the law.  That's not an excuse either.

 Vanessa--you have no excuse either.  You should have kept screaming until someone listened.  Threatened my kids?  The bitch would not have ever drew another breath. You are a spineless piece of trash, too.  You left and allowed Gloria to place all the blame on you--you should have spoke up and defended yourself.  You stand up now and make accusations?

Lending a helping hand is one thing--enabling someone to be self-destructive is another. God help us all.




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Yes Kazia--I'm sure your male friend that is close to the situation is advising you on how to handle this situation. You know, your buddy that calls you a chaos carrier along other things.  The same friend that advised you not to let me see your dogs last year because he knew that if I did you would never see them again.

If the email that Gloria sent Tracy was just from December 2009-2 months ago- what happened with all the funds that you were to be getting in EARLY 2009 that insured that you would be able to properly care for your dogs?  How have you been taking care of your dogs???!!!!

I wanted to slap you the day I had to give the bitch I had in my care for over a month back to you......you think I was pissed then....honey----you should see me now.

For once in your life own up to your mistakes and your inability to care for your dogs.  YOUR DOGS DESERVE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If you love them the way you proclaim to then let them have the life that they deserve.
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Breed' public interest overwhelmed by respective self-interests being the main reason for what’s happened there in South-Carolina .

So many times I’ve been referring to health & soundness issues , but unfortunately , re the hard nucleus of so-called fanciers , an over & over again ‘written’ dialogue of the deaf , and that par negative excellence . There are so many fallacies to argue such common sense pleas ; to start with the absolute levels for fadding our precious breed . Next comes the breed omerta , if not , one’s shooting its own foot (no puppy purchase , no stud permission , no back-up for own doings , &c) . Few days ago I posted a thread about the Wobbler syndrome , and how many replies were to count ? Does it mean the fancy isn’t confronted with Wobbles ? No ?

This all’s really deeply anchored within the dog fancy , so also that of the Mastiff , full of intriques or machinations to cover up everything which could be damage one’ own breed position , even if it stands straight opposite to the breed interest , generally as well as individually . So everyone needs to comtemplate here about its own respective future approach re heated issues vs the BREED interest . True repentance comes after realisation of sin , ie the lack of being a true champion of the breed .


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Can I just once again point out that all of this is accomplishing NOTHING!, Have we not already established that Gloria is a horrid person and deserves all the bad Karma that will no doubt be coming her way?  Maybe there should be a pinned thread of known bad breeders and/or owners with her name front and center?
Who else knew, what they knew, and when, well, only they know for sure, and have to live with the consequences of their actions, or lack there of.
I know it makes us all feel better to vent, and certainly,this cruelty should never be forgotten, but perhaps someone who has facts about the remaining dogs should start a new thread without the emotions and well deserved hostility and just state what is needed to help the survivors.  Just a suggestion, and certainly not bashing anyone who has expressed strong emotions about this tradgedy. 

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Does anyone have an update on the dogs that were found/rescued? 

What can "WE" do to help?  Where can we donate?  Where can we register to foster and/or transport?  Can someone post some direct links?

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I know that Animal Control is being contacted to find out the condition of the remaining mastiffs.  Haven't heard anything more as of yet.

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Southern States Mastiff Rescue (link to donate)

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One quick phone call to Animal control or the police might have helped.
I cant believe people knew and did nothing. This is a nightmare !!


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Per SSMR Trustee:

 "If the dogs are released to us,  we can post a donation page on our site and direct people who want to help there. No doubt, these dogs will require extensive medical care."
 
At this moment SSMR is not asking for donations specifically to these dogs, as they are not in SSMRs care. We will certainly keep everyone posted if and when they are released to Rescue - We are certainly hoping that they will be so that they can get individual care and love. There is always a need for funds.
 
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I think we need to concentrate on taking care of the survivors, and finding the perpetrator of this horrific situation.  She needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  And don't forget - she allegedly still has 10 dogs with her.  We need to get those poor animals away from her.

Rather than waste energy in a "he said, she said" rage fest, lets use that energy in a positive way.  Get the word out.  Post pictures of her.  Post pictures of what she has done.  Post written descriptions of her, her friend, the vehicle - THE DOGS THEY HAVE WITH THEM!  FIND this creature and make her pay!

To the people who were involved in this, who may have been able to stop things before they went this far - you know who you are.  I hope this eats at you every second of your lives.  I hope it literally drives you to insanity.

It breaks my heart to think of one of these magnificent dogs having to live in mud and feces and slowly starving to death.  To have seen this, to have known this was happening and to LET IT GO ON....  I can't even think of a fate bad enough to befall you.

As for Gloria Davis, she is SICK.

There HAS to be a way to get the word out about so-called "breeders" like her and not be accused of "breeder bashing".  New people, people looking for puppies, unsuspecting people who haven't been around long enough to hear the horror stories - need to be protected from the Gloria Davis-es of the world.

If I understand what I've read correctly, 9 dogs were saved, 5 of them about 5 months old.  These babies are going to need warm, loving homes, good food and vet care.  This is going to take not only money but people and time.  Shirley and SSMR are going to need all the help you can give.

Shirley, Jill - I have already emailed both of you offering to do whatever I can to help.  Alabama is a long way from SC but I am here.

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Rest assured, I owe you nothing....least of all an apology.  You posted on the first page of this thread that you have known of the condition these dogs were living in for 3-4 days.  That is 3-4 days of knowing and doing nothing.  You could very easily have called the authorities and they would have been legally obligated to follow up on your phone call.  You didn't do that because you continued to protect Gloria to the very end.  My god, you even posted a veiled message here on this board asking for any of Gloria's close friends to contact you right away...gah!  While posting that message you had already seen the picture of Linda's dead bitch!!!  That, in my opinion is inexcusable.

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I saw the pics of your beautiful Tilly, Gloria's ' pride & joy' a couple of days ago


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I EXTRICATED the infomation from Kazia a few days ago.


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I shut my mouth to what I saw in TN 3 years ago when I was in the USA


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having seen what I saw when we were there in TN under NO circumstances would I have ever sold / given Gloria a puppy!


If you feel at peace with your actions then so be it.  I honestly don't know how you can live with yourself.  How in the world you never saw your way clear to send an email to Linda Greeson or to Max's breeder is beyond me.  Everybody knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Linda would have been in her car in a split second going after her bitch. 

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I'm not trying to make this about you...not at all, but you should be adult enough to accept your responsibility in all of this.  Surely you're not going to use the "I was a new breeder" defense.  Were you new to being human??  Were you new to having a heart or a brain??  C'mon.  And don't even try to say I should be able to intuit the fact that Gloria Davis wasn't caring for her dogs just because she lived in the state of North Carolina.  How could I possibly have known that when everybody was covering for her??  Did you ever one time call SSMR??  No??  Did you ever call Linda Greeson?? No??  How would you feel if somebody knew one of your pups was living in a situation like that and they didn't pick up the phone and call you?  Would you give them a pass if they were a new breeder?  Sorry, you should have tried harder.  Mastiffs were hungry.  Mastiffs were being shot at with BB guns.  Mastiffs were being given alcohol to drink.  Mastiffs were being hit in the head with shovels.  Mastiffs were living in mud.  Duh. 

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"All this had to be under a blanket of secrecy until a couple of days ago when I EXTRACTED information from a THREATENED, frightened, frail, caring person, her landlady! Easy for us to judge & jury! LIVE the life, the threats...NOT so easy to DARE to call for help! We may need to raise bail...no NOT for Gloria! "
 

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ummmmmm..... i thought she called recue right away???? seems to me she was forced to tell what she was hiding and hazeal made her make a phonecall to the rescue shelter....
 
why does kazie say she phoned as soon as she knew anything???? am i missing something???? the 2 stories definitly dont match.
 


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Welcome to story time by Kazia..............

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I feel handicapped here.  I am so heartbroken and saddened by what has happened.  It is killing me sitting here at my desk, at work, in Boston.  There is nothing I want more then to rush down, take the dogs and bring them home to show them the love and respect they so deserve.  I want to give them warmth, soft beds, food and endless water bowls.  I want to hold them, rub their beautiful heads and whisper sweetness into their ears.  I want them to learn what it is to be loved so much words cannot describe.  This issue has consumed my thoughts since it was posted.  I can not express my sorrow.  I can not understand how a person could be so cruel.  When will AC know if they will release the dogs to Rescue.  Do they need to keep them for the “case” they are building?  Wouldn’t they be considered abandoned?  How long does she have to “claim” them.  I do not know the AC laws and what AC needs to do, all I want is the dogs to be safe!

 

On the other hand, I can only hope the wicked beast Gloria is located ….  I feel such rage towards the beast….


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It can happen in different circumstances , but it’s my feeling such disasters usually put up their ugly heads in those large extensive kennels , ie as long as everything fits , it goes (all?) right , but the puppets come into dance , if there’s occurring something which , in all naivety , wasn’t calculated with , as a/o ill-health (own or in family) , broken relationship , sudden unemployment , rehousing , changed pecuniary expenses . So all those fanciers who dream of a large kennel , try to reflect before to begin some adventure which can end up as an uncontrollable messing up , ditto animal abuse annex ‘damage & shame’ before the public .
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I just found emails from Gloria with pictures of some of the dogs from September of last year. I don't know when the pictures were taken, but the dogs were in good shape, of course I realize she would not have sent pictures were they not. I don't know if it would be helpful but they are here.
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Oh my God Linda what the F---K was in Glorias mind to do this, I am sitting here crying looking at the pictures of your little girl Tilly and I am so sorry that any human being could be that cruel I am hugging my little 4 month old girl and she is licking my face as to say what is wrong mom I hope the law gives her the worst sentence that can be imposed on her and I hope they get all the dogs of her as soon as possible what a horrible life your sweet girl must have had and to die that way Gloria is a monster and she sould never ever be allowed to own a dog ever again, it makes all of us re think were we place our beautiful babies, scary to think we all could get in the position of placing our wonderful babies in a place like that by someone who can con you into thinking they are a great home this is very scary indead so sorry Linda for what has happened to your beautiful girl and all the sweet mastiffs she has killed no punishment is big enough for a BITCH like that  Harrie 


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this is all very sickening and heartbreaking.. I am so sorry for all involved especially the poor dogs.
I just want to let everyone know that if there is anything I can do to help,please let me know..
please keep us updated on the dogs in A.C. and when they get released to rescue.
Gloria, I am shocked!

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I am so sorry to each breeder who entrusted their beautiful dogs to this lady. I cannot imagine anyone who cares even the slightest amount for this breed standing by and watching while these beautiful dogs were dying. Not one of us would've allowed it..... Its not just compassion, its common sense. I don't care how long I've known someone, if I ever saw any dog in this condition, I'd be calling the authorities immediately and getting them removed and charges pressed before they day was over.


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Unfortunately, we have guilt by association at work and anyone that has had dealings with Gloria is now tainted in varying degrees.
 
Is it fair? It doesn't matter! What matters, is that what was done cannot be undone!
 
So after all of the venting is done and the finger pointing is done, we are still left with dead Mastiffs and a runaway breeder.
 
The causes of these horrors need to be discussed openly, otherwise this will happen again in the future.
 
Breeders have a responsibility to maintain their facilities & care of their dogs in an appropriate manner. It doesn't matter if they are members of the MCOA or not!
 
So how do we police these issues, or turn in people that become friends over time?
 
These are the issues that need to be addressed after the smoke of this latest debacle dissipates.
 
Venting is important, in that it relieves our communal anger & guilt, but other than that, it serves no constructive purpose in helping or preventing future holocausts.
 
We need to become proactive and investigate solutions for these issues!

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How can anyone reserve judgement on Kazia?  I know first hand how she manipulates people.  I'm so tired of hearing how ill she is and taking that as an excuse for her behavior.  I'm confused about her story as it keeps changing depending on who she's responding to.  She bought a house, she rented a house?  Hey Kazia, how about sending me some money from all the thousands we lended to you to pay all your bills, to get you set up with your stained glass business, to pay your vet bills, all the dog food, and other items we provided to you because of your sob story about not having anything.  You purchase a home, but don't remember to send a dollar back to us to repay what we helped you with?  Goes to show what kind of person you are.  You're so good at crying to everyone to get their sympathy.  The people who try to help you and your dogs are the ones to be commended as they show compassion.  You have no compassion!  If you had a spark of love for any animal, you would have contacted someone - anyone, to help with this horrible situation.  Don't sit back and tell us you're not a fault.  I hold you responsible just as much.  I don't care if you were threatened, as thats your story.  And I emphasis STORY.  You know whats right and wrong and starving dogs and having them lie where they fall is wrong no matter how you
look at it.  You're so ill?  Sorry, don't buy it.  I have friends who are going through cancer and don't cry wolf like you do.  I've heard it for too long and there is no compassion left in me for you.  I hope the authorities are able to prosecute you.  If that doesn't happen, I only hope that the mastiff community knows what you're really about and EVERYONE stays clear of you.  I had hoped never to hear your name again, unfortunately, here you are and of course as usual its not a good situation.  I never post, but seeing the horrific conditions of these poor dogs and seeing what was done to them, I couldn't not voice my opinion.  You've told so many lies, who can tell when you tell the truth?

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Unbelievably sad.  Let's focus on what we can do to help the surviving dogs.  I can foster as many as need be if no closer arrangements can be made.  I am in NE Missouri.  Please post updates of the dogs as soon as possible, so we can do whatever is needed to provide for their immediate care.  Pray for them and hopefully they will be able to recover from their horrible nightmare of cruelty and neglect.


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I have been going back and forth since this started about posting what I know. I just want to say that I did not know Amasha or Kazia up until two days ago. I have two of Glorias dogs and I had been trying to get in contact with her and she was not responding which was unusual. I came across Amasha's post asking for friends of Gloria to contact her so I did because I have two dogs from her. So it was apparent that she had some urgent concerns. I called and talked to Kazia to try and find out what was going on. Kazia broke down several times while on the phone with me. I took down her address and was planning on sending down some money for food. This was around 10 p.m that night. I told my husband that we had to drive down there and get the dogs. Emotions tend to run when you hear the stories I did. Kazia did not want me to use my name when I sent money out of fear of what Gloria would do. I do know that Kazia was afraid. I could not sleep the rest of the night and had a hard time believing that Gloria could let this happen. When I woke up the next morning I opened an email of the pictures of Tillie. Yeap it was real. I contacted someone I know in TN and told him what I knew. He was willing to help get dogs. I then called Kazia and told her that she needed to call a sheriff and get a restraining order if she feared Gloria but those dogs had to be removed today. Kazia told me she was going to wait until she talked to Gloria at 3 p.m because Gloria may be taking the dogs. I did not want the dogs to be moved and die somewhere else. I called animal control after getting off the phone with Kazia. There was no way I was going to let those dogs suffer for one more day. If Amasha had not put the post up those dogs may still be there today. If Kazia had not opened up to me those dogs may still be there. If I would have knew there were issues with Gloria and the care she gave her dogs I would have never got a dog from her.
I do want to say Thank You to the people that helped me yesterday. I won't mention any names as they were gracious enough to keep my name out of it. For anyone wondering why I did not contact rescue first it was because I thought this was bigger than just going into rescue the dogs. After I knew animal control was there I put in calls for rescue.

I am so sorry to all that had dogs involved in this.

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You want to blame me and it is all our fault, myself included. This whole mastiff breed as a whole is to blame. When new people come into the breed wanting to breed, you have people turning their noses up, turning their heads away, (thinking they will go away and they do not) so then what happens, they find the people like Gloria Davis. I do not know how many people have said to me they contacted many people and breeders would not talk to them or gave them attitudes. No breeders came to me and said watch out she is a puppymill. You can do your research but the rule of thumb is do not talk bad about another breeder, no where does it say watch out this persons a puppymill .Guess what when a person knows your coming they can work real hard to improve the conditions of things. When you leave everything changes. Everyone is quick to judge other people, and belittle each other to sell puppies. The mastiff community does nothing but form clicks, stab each other in the back, and try to find things about each other to use as warfare tools. Your not aloud to talk bad of breeders that hide behind computers and talk to much, and god forbid it is about a breeder who shows dogs. Maybe if we worked together and changed our ways situations like this would not happen. I am the last person that would defend Gloria, but she is not the only one here. Jennifer your very mentor you support, swap dogs with and breed to, her actions and inhumane ways of taking care of dogs and mass production is not all that much better than Gloria, in 3 years it could turn the same way. There are others out there too. They hide behind fancy websites, and talk there mouths off. What I saw three years ago to me was horrible because my dogs live in my house sleep in bed with me and at the foot of my bed. But it was not horrible in the eyes of the law. There was police there they looked at the dogs and kennels they said there was nothing they could do. At that time the dogs were dirty, but they were fat, happy no, in the house no, but they had all the things the authorities said they needed to have. Angie and I did post pictures of  Gloria's dogs here, and Linda did get the email, she wrote back to me and said that was not a nice thing for me to do and told me to remove the thread. Some people even copy and pasted the thread and emailed it to Gloria. The remark was made behind the scenes that they could not believe the brindle in the picture next to "Tilly was a male that it was Glorias beloved JC. They laughed because next to Tilly he looked like a bitch" It was taken as a Joking matter. We can keep pointing the finger at each other and the next Gloria to be is just slipping through the cracks. Being talked about and joked about until dogs end up dead then its who can we blame...... It is so easy to say what you would do looking back, but being there and working with what you had at the time you may not be making the comments you are making. Gloria is as big as my husband. She did come after me, and it is easy to say what you want the police were called, and she could have easily done great harm. I had no way to physically defend myself from that woman, so yes I did fear for my life and my children, and I got out of there. Blaming anyone at this point will not put her in jail or bring the dogs back to life so stop packing up baggage and help to make changes so this does not happen again by others.

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Lisa  - thank you for you for using common sense and thank you for having the guts to do what was right. As far as I am concerned you are directly responsible for the survival of the dogs that were removed from that property  - thank God for you! 


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I set here and read all of this. I remember when I first started tell people about Gloria. the conditions were bad but not bad enough for animal control. The dogs lived in what is equal to pig pins. small dogs were in closed shed. IN FLORIDA with the heat. Dogs were feed the cheapest dog food she could get mixed with mac and cheese and lots of water. She also had 14 different breeds and over 100 dogs!
 
Many on here gave me a hard time saying it was not that bad.. yeah well look were it has led. Gloria has threatened to kick my ass and to sue me. I told her go for it on both but when I set 2 feet from her at the next show she didn't say a word to me.. YES GET BAIL MONEY Maria YOU get whats left if I find the bitch first.. I hope she does come out to a show.
 
Gloria is known for abusing her partners and for her cruelty. Many are afraid of her. I am not. I DO HOPE SHE IS READING THIS!! PLEASE DO COME AFTER ME!!!!!!!
 
Poor Max and Tilly. and any animal or person that comes in contact with Gloria. BUT I DO HOPE when people start saying things like this about a breeder that people will sit up and take notice. YES some of the stuff said about some people are lies. BUT take the time to check it out before getting involved with them. As I said I been saying this about her for 10 years now.. It does not supise me at all. she is a sick person.

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This is just horrible, just unexcusable!  Dont know the people and glad of that.  After reading went with a few tears and gave everyone here a extra cuddle and cookie. 


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Please this was not the actions of somebody who was sane, unless she was evil. If she is suffering mental illness let the law see it through. Judging somebody without knowing all the facts cannot be tollerated. I know that this is something that never should of came to be, and my heart goes out to those wonderful animals.

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It is imperative that the AKC be notified immediately.  All the details have to be written out along with a letter from the Animal Control agency that was at the property. 

If she is on the move with dogs, no doubt she will either breed ASAP (for the money) or try to sell a dog.  She will eventually be suspended and fined for all privileges.........hopefully for life, but probably for ten years.  The AKC (investigations) are very difficult to work with but you have to be persistent.  They will want YOU to do all the leg work.  Why they call it "investigations" I'll never know.  They do not investigate anything.............you have to do it, but if everyone gets together, it can be done.  She could be suspended for life if they get her on not allowing the AKC access to her dogs and records as well as the AKC's Cruelty and Conviction policy.  Therein lies the problem.  They may not do anything until she is found and convicted and/or found guilty. Letters from everyone who sold her dogs, co-owned or co-bred dogs with her and all the pictures you can get should be documented.

As some of you know, I handled for her many years ago (Prince and a Prince daughter).  She was kind of strange, but I only handle the dogs.  I had no problems with her and had no idea of what she was up to.  Over the years I have "fired" a client when I found out the terrible conditions their dogs were kept in.  I showed up unexpectedly at their home because they didn't come to retrieve their dog.  What a shock.  Nothing like Gloria's but bad enough for me.............it was gross.

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My heart goes out to every innocent animal that she has hurt.  And certainly to the people whose dogs she had on her property. 

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I mentioned on FB to some friends about the AKC being contacted. Can't they block it to where she never can register puppies or dogs again??? So if she has other's with her they can't be used and used.


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Prophetic.............

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Subject: Which dog would you breed to which bitch?Replies: 226
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Gina, you made some great points in your post at 1:18 am. We hear all the alleged wrong doings regarding Tobin, yet there are at least half a dozen or more other high profile breeders who were either suspended from AKC or the MCOA for similar things to Tobin. Or ethics charges.
 With most of them, no one dares utter out loud anything negative, because it would affect having access of their studs, handling of dogs, or future puppy purchases. So maybe a blind eye is turned so as not to upset the apple cart??
 There are quite a few pedigrees that are questionable. And not all of them are because of Tobin!



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I believe what makes a good breeder, is practicing what you preach. And having the best interests of your dogs come first. Which has alot to do, with personal sacrifices.
The day has dawned when there are a select few breeders left who are willing to speak their minds, & not be swayed by public and personal favor/opinions.
These breeders still have a sense of integrity! And, can indeed survive without being a member of this or that club.
Diversity as well as increased numbers of breeders and Mastiffs, has caused major changes within our breed. Not all have been positive changes.
A more realistic look into what is BEST for our breed is needed. And, truthfully, we the people are the grass roots that keep our breed strong and moving forward.
I'd personally like to see clubs with less politics, & more unity!

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 Hey Steve! Under-confidence can also be a big downfall in this breed. And you can test out the ass, & be brought right back to square 1.
  Mastiffs are not a breed for the weak minded, or faint hearted. Nor the people who want a big financial gain, return!! You gotta have true grit to stay
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Subject: How Young is too Young to Breed???Replies: 126
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  Hey Linda! Hope you & yours are all well.
  You know me, & my outspoken "black & white" attitude. I'm pretty good
 when it comes to people & Mastiffs. What goes around, usually comes back
 around.
   I predict that a storm is coming to a well known breeder of Mastiffs. And
 I'll be here to say- I told you so for years!! A leopard does not change it's
 spots, LOL!!
   Stay tuned......it won't surprise some of us.

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  Correct Steve! Greed & over-sized ego's have been several breeder's
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Re post °197 – Is there one here who can judge someone’s being sane or insane ? If not , let’s ‘solely’ face the fact a number of precious Mastiffs has died in poignants circumstances , Mastiffs who were well-known and cherished by a definite number of American fanciers and yes even if they weren’t known , they certainly didn't deserve such a merciless fate . So , one’s right considering not everyone being entitled to ‘judge’ as only one very instance , the one who kicks (with more or less success) every sublunary a conscience , the one standing next to the Heavenly Portal , has this ultimate power in full force ... Ps - Of course , meant metaphorically .
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I am so happy that you decided to come forward!!!Thank you so much for having the courage and common sense to stand up and do what was right for those long suffering animals who couldn't possibly defend themselves.  It seems like a nobrainer to pick up the phone without hesitation and call animal control and yet that simple act was so difficult for so many.  You are a class act and you deserve a lot of credit for doing the right thing at the right time!!!!  Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!!!!!!!
 
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If people gets confronted with truth , it can become quite enlightening , so not only for themselves as well as for others . Ps - Absolutely not being in need to use colored or bold letter types , so only being one' precious oneself .
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I felt it necessary to use colored and bold letter type to give recognition the young woman who was brave enough to place the phone call to save the long suffering Mastiffs who were still living under those horrible circumstances.....in essence, saving their lives.  So sorry if you are offended by her being acknowledged in such a way.  The bold and colored type was in no way meant to call attention to myself.  Perhaps you should just tell her thank you...that would be considered good manners in this country. 

 


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Lisa, thank you for having the brains and HEART to do the right thing and call the authorities. It is a shame that people that were there didn't do that, maybe those poor babies would not have died. And yes, we must contact the AKC and let them all know what is going on


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It is imperative that the AKC be notified immediately.  All the details have to be written out along with a letter from the Animal Control agency that was at the property. 

If she is on the move with dogs, no doubt she will either breed ASAP (for the money) or try to sell a dog.  She will eventually be suspended and fined for all privileges.........hopefully for life, but probably for ten years.  The AKC (investigations) are very difficult to work with but you have to be persistent.  They will want YOU to do all the leg work.  Why they call it "investigations" I'll never know.  They do not investigate anything.............you have to do it, but if everyone gets together, it can be done.  She could be suspended for life if they get her on not allowing the AKC access to her dogs and records as well as the AKC's Cruelty and Conviction policy.  Therein lies the problem.  They may not do anything until she is found and convicted and/or found guilty. Letters from everyone who sold her dogs, co-owned or co-bred dogs with her and all the pictures you can get should be documented.

As some of you know, I handled for her many years ago (Prince and a Prince daughter).  She was kind of strange, but I only handle the dogs.  I had no problems with her and had no idea of what she was up to.  Over the years I have "fired" a client when I found out the terrible conditions their dogs were kept in.  I showed up unexpectedly at their home because they didn't come to retrieve their dog.  What a shock.  Nothing like Gloria's but bad enough for me.............it was gross.

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There has been a lot of back and forth here, generosity in offers of help and care and well deserved blame aplenty..now...lets try to see this never happens to another dog...

going forward lets make a few vows...

IF we hear of dogs not being taken care of properly and we are close to the area...go..check out the property and dogs...whether under the guise of buying a puppy or breed info...find out what you can...

IF... you are doing a breeding...don't only look at the dog you are using...ask to see their other dogs...the property and set ups...remember if their other dogs are ill kept then your future pups could be in danger too.

IF you are buying a puppy and go to pick it up, ask to see ALL of the dogs and area..what conditions do you see?

IF.. you see ANYTHING that suggests the dogs are neglected REFUSE to buy!!! Do not help promote their breeding program no matter how many CH's there are.

IF... you have a breeding planned and ANYTHING seems OFF about the animals or they refuse to take you on a tour...WALK AWAY! do not make this profitable for them and do not affiliate yourself with such people. If they are saying NO they have something to hide.

Beware and be sure...Do not be petty or try to hurt anyone...be certain what you claim can be proven. Do not become part of the problem.

We must speak up when things are not right!!!!!!!!  We know how these dogs should be raised and loved. We know there should be toys and fun, that they should be well fed and look well, bright and happy. If they aren't we NEED to speak up. Whether it is to an authority or another mastiff person or rescue...we have to make them afraid to not take care of the dogs they are supposed to love.

And...we love our cell phones and gadgets...so...if you see unfit conditions take those snapshots and show the authorities what is going on. Make it impossible for them to deny what they are doing. If these breeders and owners do not want to be scrutinized then they had BETTER be responsable and take care of their dogs cuz we are out there and we will do whatever it takes to protect this wonderful breed...

Pay attention at shows, If we all take on the Mastiff community and say..."we are watching you" "we know what your doing" then maybe this will never happen again. Maybe they will turn the dogs over and walk away but at least they will be safe. And USE YOUR WORDS..speak of it...shout it out when someone is doing that evil deed. No amount of wins or titles is worth anything if they come at the cost of a Mastiff life....We must be the eyes and ears that guard our furry children. These dogs do not live nearly long enough..do not allow it to be shorter still...

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A Dog Sits Waiting


A dog sits waiting in the cold autumn sun,
Too faithful to leave, too frightened to run.

He's been here for days now, with nothing to do,
But sit by the road, waiting for you.

He can't understand why you left him that day.
He thought you and he were stopping to play.

He's sure you'll be back, and that's why he stays.
How long will he suffer? How many more days?

His legs have grown weak, his throat's parched and dry,
He's sick now from hunger and falls, with a sigh.

He lays down his head and closes his eyes,
I wish you could see how a waiting dog dies.

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This message is to Kazia.  Since Joe and I were the ones who paid to get you going again in your stained glass business and even hooked you up with the wonderful person who designed your site, I never gave you permission to use the photos of my dogs Samson and Moses and I never gave you permission to use the name Dickens.  Yes, Nancy is the owner of Dickens, but I am co-owner.  Removed those photos from your site.  We do not wish to have our dogs or names associated with you in any form.  Any person who would allow this horrific situation unfold is not worthy of any of our support.  Remove those photos and all our dogs names associated with your site.  I'm appalled at my beautiful dogs being associated with you and I want it to stop immediately!  Do you hear me Kazia?  Remove those photos!


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