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 Apology & Thank you!
As usual, some of you are a class act! Always a handful of human hyenas ready to tear you apart!
 
 I acted IMMEDIATELY, sent money, WITHIN 24 hours, I have the Paypal receipt some of u may like to paw over!
I called for Help as soon as I saw the pictures! Told Kazia to call for HELP straight away....as soon as she started saying  'things were bad' I already told her she NEEDS to call for help she can't do this alone! NEVER in my born days could I have IMAGINED, fathomed things were this bad! To me this is INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!
for you your telescope...
 I did  not get the pictures until the next day due to,
 
"I sent you a bunch of photos earlier in one email.  I guess the attachments were too large because it bounced back to me as 'undeliverable'.  Sending separately this time.  Let me know if you get them.
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I had absolutely NO IDEA of the gravity of the situation until the NEXT DAY
What's wrong with some of you? Blind? Stupid? seemingly BOTH! You are trying to insinuate I am the was dragging my feet????  A THANK you would be more appropriate!
 
Without MY initial action this may have dragged on further for another few days. With my money  Kazia went out to  buy some dogfood & dewormer! I broke Kazia's confidence, sent the pics to Lisa as I could NOT deal with them alone once I received them!..those pictured told a thousand words!
Kazia was trying to get Rescue from what I gather...I DON'T live in theStates...time difference of 15/16 hours. Mastiff Rescue would have been better, That's what I thought Kazia was organising!
No wonder these horrendous , tragic situations occur! Nobody dares to speak out! Just look at how a some of YOU living in the States DEALING with the woman regularly had NO IDEA!????
I though some of Gloria's friends, buddies MAY be able to place her dogs until things get sorted..I had NO IDEA of the gravity of the situation until I saw the pics!!!! I did not KNOW that was too late! 
Cattie, u r trying to direct some blame MY WAY??? HOW? Didn't u say HOW ' acceptable' Gloria's kennels were when u went to Lindum to breed to Max??? WHO made them like that?! It WASN'T ANY of YOU! I did with my bare hands & money! Though I was HORRIFIED at how some ' world famous' person like Gloria could keep her dogs!  NONE were skinny or undernourished! How many times do I have to spell this out???? To ME, her conditions were 'sub-standard'...but then, my standards have ALWAYS been different form the rest! I am accused of being hoity toity! She has only just moved there . It was RAINING! Fencing some shelter was up. I made it better & Vannessa HELPED...she was my offsider, often holding big slabs of heavy timber.
I agree whole heartedly with you Vanessa,
"Blaming anyone at this point will not put her in jail or bring the dogs back to life so stop packing up baggage and help to make changes so this does not happen again by others."
The dogs in TN, though kept in 'appalling condition' were NOT so in the eyes of the law. Tilly, Max Lana, Hammer, Lady, JC etc  ..were all in good condition esp. with the added extras I introduced them to.
Instead of your hatred directed in the WRONG direction, enough of grandstanding & indignation, let's try to positively resolve this for what this is about, the poor dogs! go down and find her, Help Kazia with her dogs, I strongly feel she could use some help...! No good blaming her. It's here & NOW! Let's hope we LEARN from this!
From a selfless act for the love of my breed some of you try to turn this absoluet tragedy  into a cheap melodrama of Who done it!?" who else??!!! Amasha Caffyn!


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Go help Kazia with her dogs?  Been there, Done that! To the tune of thousands of dollars.  Blame will always be attached to Kazia from now on.  If someone needs help with feeding their dogs, ask.  Lets see, Kazia had no problem asking for help from us, telling us she had no money for dog food, etc.  Sure, we took it future to help her out, but she had one of my puppies and I sure wasn't going to sit by and not help out the dogs.  So she asked before, she could have done it again.  You disgust me Kazia, I hope those dogs haunt you for the rest of your days and haunt all who are responsible.  Even in our worst moments our dogs are there to kiss our tears away and give us support.  What do they ask in return?  Care and love and no matter what is happening in our lives, just look into their eyes and they always love us no matter what.  I've seen some horrible things here in TN, but this is one of the worst. 


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Susan I am sorry for what happened to your girl!! That is just horrible!! I am not trying to judge anyone but Kazia you are sick and cant afford to feed your dogs (not sure how many you have) why dont you give them back to their breeders??? If you love them you owe it to them to let them have a happy healthy life!!

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How much money has Kazia and Gloria con'ed out of people over the years.. From these posts it looks like a lot.

Steve when Gloria would post crap like that is when I would loos it and we would go at it. She always tried to come off as a reputable breeder when in fact she was not.
PS Eileen Pete was never involved with Gloria only as a puppy buyer and she thought Gloria was her friend until Gloria turned on her also. The one was a Marge that was involved with Gloria.



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Linda - my heart breaks for you, and for Tilly...Those photos are sickening, and I can't stop the tears.  It sounds like a hollow offer, but if I can help at all, please let me know.  You're in my thoughts, as are those (human and canine), who suffered this atrocity.  - Margaret W.

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I just came home from work early - still throwing up and sick to my stomach over all this shit!  I cannot stop imagining what those poor dogs last thoughts/memories were.  What upsets me the most - is Gloria was famous for telling all of us how bad the men in her life had been, what losers her kids were, how horrible the women were in her life, and even how shitty the mastiff community could be -but she was responsible for the demise of the one true love that was unconditional throughout all that - the LOVE FROM MASTIFFS.  HOW could she let this happen?  I am SO frustrated because I want answers and there will never be one.

Gloria - what more could you have asked for from your dogs?  They GAVE and GAVE for you - and it was never enough.  Poor Max, Lana, Raven, Shiloh - the list goes on & on...EVEN my poor Jake paid for your sins in the end.  I will never forgive you and I will never forget.
Words cannot express the pure hate in my heart for you.
May God have mercy on you - you need it.
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This is such a tragedy. I know I am really far away, but if you need someone to foster any of the survivors, we would be very happy to help. I'm not sure how we could get them here, but they would be smothered in love and great care once they were here.
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I haven't posted about this matter on this forum--in fact, I have not posted on this forum for a long long time.  I have been as horrified as has everyone.  Reading that some of the dogs have been saved is certainly good news and I do hope that the law catches up with Gloria and that her other dogs are saved.  I am grateful that people did finally take action--and I can understand the frustration of those who tried to warn us before.  Too often the breeders' "Code of Silence" kicks in and we protect and defend those who should not be protected or defended. 
Joanie H certainly had a lot of good advice--we should all heed and remember it.   
I hate to bring this to a public forum, but I must support Sue Clinton in asking that Kazia no longer use our beloved Dickens as her avatar or as the name of her stained glass piece.  Kazia, your stories just have too many discrepancies for me to be able to swallow them whole.  I was nearly speechless when you posted--using Dickens picture and I do hope that you will remove that avatar from your posts. 
Also, I must agree with Angie--if your health and finances do not allow you to  care for your dogs properly, return some to their breeders--or co owners --where they will be cared for.--or contact one of the many people who have offered help.  Do not make them suffer because they love you and you love them.   
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Hi Not this Marge

  It was a Martha...w/ cockers, I believe

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I hope, but not sure AKC can do anything.
If they could, why would they allow registration at puppymill auction with horrid conditioned dogs
Why can puppymills AKC.

The only thing I can think is a record inspection or false records could get her suspended.

Start logging complaints.

The attack should not be at one another, but please put this energy into finding here and the other dogs.




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It sounds like Kazia's dogs need help.  Wouldn't it be better to help her than to have another "Gloria" situation?
 
I understand folks feel Kazia scammed them and also think Gloria is a bitch..but, I'm thinking about the dogs.  How many more dead dogs do we need?
 
I am to far away otherwise I would do all I could..to help the dogs.  For the record I would NEVER loan or give any money to either of these women.  But I would take Kazia's dogs to Rescue for her.  If she wouldn't allow rescue to take her dogs then at least some food would help.

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What upsets me the most - is Gloria was famous for telling all of us how bad the men in her life had been, what losers her kids were, how horrible the women were in her life, and even how shitty the mastiff community could be 


Maybe SHE was the villian and the cause of all of these people being so awful to her. Sometimes when someone starts playing the "oh, poor me I've had such horrible treatment" card, it's the person whining that is the problem and NOT the ones she blamed. I think this has shown that, in fact, she is the monster and NOT the ones that she's blamed...What do you guys bet that she turns all this around at some point and blames someone else for this horrendous tragedy? She is a true sociopath and belong behind bars. Incidently, most true sociopaths are excellent liars and con people. It's easy for them to turn the tears on and off as needed and to con anyone they need to in order to get their way . If all else fails, they will resort to violence. I understand everyones tremendous and righteous anger towards this woman, but I'd rather have some of you guys around in the Mastiff world than victims of hers. Let the proper authorities handle it...we NEED the good folks to be there with all of us.


P.S. Lisa A...don't let anyone tell you that you did the wrong thing. Huge Kudos to you. I work with rescue down here and I know that it's sometime hard to get someone to drop everything and get to the scene. Afterall, we are all volunteers and work so getting in touch with someone in a very, very short amount of time isn't always easy. These babies needed IMMEDIATE attention. You guys that are criticizing her for calling AC must remember that none of us in rescue have a magic wand and can make thing  happens in just a few minutes. Under the circumstances, Lisa did a great thing and probably saved some of the dogs.


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Oh Linda, I am so very sorry.

I am so angry that I am sick, let alone have the ability to type!

I do not know this lousy heap of human flesh named Gloria Davis, but deep in the pit of my gut I hate!

She will loathe the day she is found, and it will be soon!

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As far as the AKC suspension....I think we should get Dr Newman, our MCOA delegate to the AKC , involved. I would like to see him look into AKC suspension of all parties involved. The only way to hurt a puppymiller is in their wallet.


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I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY GLORIA CONNED OUT OF PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS.  I HAVEN'T KNOWN HER FOR VERY LONG, BUT I DO KNOW THAT SHE SOAKED ME BIG TIME !!!!   ALL I HAVE EVER DONE IS HELP THE PITIFUL WOMAN AND LOOK WHAT IT GOT ME.  NO, I'M NOT ASKING FOR SYMPATHY OR A PITY PARTY, BUT SOME OF YOU PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE YOU START SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTHS ABOUT ME!  I DON'T EVEN KNOW 90% OF YOU AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!  GLORIA BELONGS IN JAIL, AND I HOPE TO HELL I CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S RIGHT WHERE SHE ENDS UP!!!
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How much money has Kazia and Gloria con'ed out of people over the years.. From these posts it looks like a lot.

Steve when Gloria would post crap like that is when I would loos it and we would go at it. She always tried to come off as a reputable breeder when in fact she was not.
PS Eileen Pete was never involved with Gloria only as a puppy buyer and she thought Gloria was her friend until Gloria turned on her also. The one was a Marge that was involved with Gloria.



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DIXIE, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE THOUGHT, BUT MY DOGS ARE FINE.  I'VE SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON GLORIA'S DOGS, BUT WHEN RESCUE WAS HERE, IT WAS GLORIA'S DOGS THAT WERE CONFISCATED, NOT MINE, AND THEY LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE DOG.  I GENUINELY THANK YOU, BUT MY 'KIDS' ARE DOING GREAT, AND THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFICERS THOUGHT THEY WERE BEAUTIFUL.  I BOUGHT THIS PLACE FOR THE DOGS AND ONCE WE'RE COMPLETELY MOVED IN, WE WILL BE FINE......NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE TO A 'GLORIA SITUATION'.  WHEN I WAS IN DIRE STRAITS BACK IN 2008......LOST MY HOME, MY HEALTH, MY CAR, I DID THE RIGHT THING AND ASKED FOR HELP FROM FRIENDS.  IT ABOUT KILLED ME TO DO IT, BUT I HAD NOT CHOICE BUT TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE KEEP MY DOGS FOR ME FOR A COUPLE MONTHS UNTIL I GOT BACK ON MY FEET.  WE'RE OKAY, BUT I THANK YOU KINDLY.
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It sounds like Kazia's dogs need help.  Wouldn't it be better to help her than to have another "Gloria" situation?
 
I understand folks feel Kazia scammed them and also think Gloria is a bitch..but, I'm thinking about the dogs.  How many more dead dogs do we need?
 
I am to far away otherwise I would do all I could..to help the dogs.  For the record I would NEVER loan or give any money to either of these women.  But I would take Kazia's dogs to Rescue for her.  If she wouldn't allow rescue to take her dogs then at least some food would help.

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Ohhhh Kaziaa! If this is not the pot calling the kettle black! Let's see,Joe and Sue lent you over 35,000 to start your stained glass business so you could get a new start on life. Sue bought the software and all your materials and you tell all of us that you are going to make a portrait of her beloved Sammy & Mo as a thank you to them. How do I know? I helped you on getting their features perfect, remember? Then you tell Sue you are doing this for her and she was so excited to see this masterpiece, It never happened,,,,then a year goes by and you tell me you will "sell it to me at a percentage off" so I can give it to Sue for Christmas. OMG! How F-ing TACKY can you be!!! Wasn't this the GIFT you were going to present her with for all the help and money she gave you? And all the help in dog food and medication and vet bills, why you were crying about your power being turned off and getting evicted??? I have no qualms about you and Gloria teaming up together. Your kind always finds each other!
    And on another thought, I'd really like to know how this description of a frail, weak, cancer-ridden person on dialysis can dig a grave big enough to bury a mastiff? And Gloria's description of you not wanting to leave the house coz you have no hair, but you were going off to a dog show this wkd? Why spend money on gas and entries when it should be spent on food for these poor helpless dogs?
     Gloria's actions make me sick to my stomach and you are right up there with her, coz you were no better to those dogs  AND you screwed over a dear friend of mine, and those things don't sit well with me. I hope for your sake, our paths never cross.

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Thank you again for talking with me, Lisa, and yes, you absolutely did the right thing in contacting Animal Control.  I spoke with one of the officers today.  He stopped by at 3 as he told me he would and said that the dogs at the shelter were all doing fine.  I also talked with Shirley Edwards today.....she said that people have been contacting her about possibly cremating the remaining deceased dogs.  He's going to be in touch with me again and I'll let you all know what he says.

You're a good, caring person, and even though when we initially spoke on the phone, I thought it would be best for rescue to jump in, it seems that these guys are doing their best to nail Gloria, and I'm trying to help and cooperate in any way I can.  I've started working on a letter to AKC and I'm getting all these photos I took in order.  I think it would be a good idea to send them to AKC.  I think Gloria's pretty well shot as far as ever breeding again.  She doesn't deserve to own a goldfish.

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I am so happy that you decided to come forward!!!Thank you so much for having the courage and common sense to stand up and do what was right for those long suffering animals who couldn't possibly defend themselves.  It seems like a nobrainer to pick up the phone without hesitation and call animal control and yet that simple act was so difficult for so many.  You are a class act and you deserve a lot of credit for doing the right thing at the right time!!!!  Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!!!!!!!
 
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most true sociopaths are excellent liars and con people. It's easy for them to turn the tears on and off as needed and to con anyone they need to in order to get their way .


Don't know Kazia at all, but to quote Marge, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."

I do have a question though. Kazia, if you are in such horrible physical health with cancer, how can you continue to care for your Mastiffs if someone is not there to "bail" you and your Mastiffs out? Can you care for them WITHOUT HELP from outsiders? If you can't, then you really need to consider Dixie's suggestion....If you are really not all that sick, then truly, shame on you for preying on the good hearted people who care about people who really are suffering. Also, if you took that much from someone to help you get on your feet yet you want them to "pay" for something you should be giving them, it sure sounds like a primo "opportunist" to me...just sayin'.
The ONLY think I'll give you is that you did make a phone call FINALLY.

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Cremating the poor Mastiffs is a good idea and I'm willing to donate to this cause, but should necropsy's be done first? for the record I mean?



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Please do go with my suggest of cremating the deceased and then give Linda and any other breeders involved the choice of where the ashes go...it would be a closure...small but maybe a bit of peace.

Again rescue let us know if there is a fund for cremation--susan and don

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hey kazia, since you are well enough to do all this how about sending my stained glass???   Its been three years now, I would think that would be long enough if you put in one peice of glass every month!!
or will I get yet another excuse out of you? or better yet no response at all. At least you only got me for a few hundred dollars, looks like you hosed others for quite a bit more.

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I'll check and see what the court costs and fine would be for copyright infringement. Does that ring a bell? You never once asked my permission to steal my designs for your own personal use from my website where it clearly states that my pattern designs are for sale. If you had just once asked me for my permission to use my designs, which I worked very hard on, by the way, I absolutely would not have charged you one penny if I knew they were being used for a good cause such as raising money for rescue. Plus, every time you've brought this up, you act like you paid for a very intricate piece in full, when in fact you only sent a deposit, and not a very substantial one at that.

Someone emailed me a photo of MY design that you used without my permission. All you had to do was ASK. Pretty low class if you ask me, but I never did a darned thing about it.

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hey kazia, since you are well enough to do all this how about sending my stained glass???   Its been three years now, I would think that would be long enough if you put in one peice of glass every month!!
or will I get yet another excuse out of you? or better yet no response at all. At least you only got me for a few hundred dollars, looks like you hosed others for quite a bit more.
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You're absolutely correct.....you DON'T know me at all, and you know nothing about my health, my life, or who I have helping me with my dogs. MY dogs are fine, or trust me, Animal Control would have seized them. That did not happen. I was not arrested or anything close, and ALL of Gloria's dogs were confiscated.
I'm done with this nonsense. It's gotten way out of hand and there are so many people on here that must not have lives because they thrive on bashing people that they know nothing about.
I'm just fine, thank you, and so are my animals. Cancer isn't going to get the best of me because my animals NEED ME AS I NEED THEM.
Thanks for your sincere concern.
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Don't know Kazia at all, but to quote Marge, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."

I do have a question though. Kazia, if you are in such horrible physical health with cancer, how can you continue to care for your Mastiffs if someone is not there to "bail" you and your Mastiffs out? Can you care for them WITHOUT HELP from outsiders? If you can't, then you really need to consider Dixie's suggestion....If you are really not all that sick, then truly, shame on you for preying on the good hearted people who care about people who really are suffering. Also, if you took that much from someone to help you get on your feet yet you want them to "pay" for something you should be giving them, it sure sounds like a primo "opportunist" to me...just sayin'.
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K.M.A. I have no time for you. It's none of your damned business!!!! I'm done with all of this. I have more important things to do trying to help the authorities locate and prosecute Gloria. Don't bother me anymore. You're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and if you'll recall, you said that Sue and Joe had done SO much for you.....expensive gifts many, many times, that you wanted to do something nice for them, so don't act so stunned all of a sudden. Get a life and stay out of mine.


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Ohhhh Kaziaa! If this is not the pot calling the kettle black! Let's see,Joe and Sue lent you over 35,000 to start your stained glass business so you could get a new start on life. Sue bought the software and all your materials and you tell all of us that you are going to make a portrait of her beloved Sammy & Mo as a thank you to them. How do I know? I helped you on getting their features perfect, remember? Then you tell Sue you are doing this for her and she was so excited to see this masterpiece, It never happened,,,,then a year goes by and you tell me you will "sell it to me at a percentage off" so I can give it to Sue for Christmas. OMG! How F-ing TACKY can you be!!! Wasn't this the GIFT you were going to present her with for all the help and money she gave you? And all the help in dog food and medication and vet bills, why you were crying about your power being turned off and getting evicted??? I have no qualms about you and Gloria teaming up together. Your kind always finds each other!
    And on another thought, I'd really like to know how this description of a frail, weak, cancer-ridden person on dialysis can dig a grave big enough to bury a mastiff? And Gloria's description of you not wanting to leave the house coz you have no hair, but you were going off to a dog show this wkd? Why spend money on gas and entries when it should be spent on food for these poor helpless dogs?
     Gloria makes me sick to my stomach and she should rot in hell for her actions, and you are right up there with her, coz you were no better to those dogs  AND you screwed over a dear friend of mine, and those things don't sit well with me. I hope for your sake, our paths never cross.
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actually kazia, the design was used on a shirt that raised money for rescue, and at that we were at the TWO year mark, does that ring a bell??? I thought not. As far as the deposit is was 250.00, not exactly a small pitance as you make out.  Since it is such a small amount to you, how about you send it back, since you dont seem to think it is all that much. Sure would buy some dog food here.
ultimately the design came from my photo, and I have a copy of all the emails(30) sent between you and I for the last three years, including one that asked me to use the better one, not the rough draft one.  So I am pretty sure the use of the image was implicit in your emai.
How about the at least six emails I have from you telling me the peice was done, and I would get it, hmmm, in atlanta, in Orlando, in north carolina ect. How about the last one where you said you were gong to send it at no more cost because you felt so bad about the THREE years???  How about the emails from your daughter, that said you were almost done with the piece two years ago??
If you want to sue me, go for it, because I am the one with alot of proof, and no stained glass. You on the other hand have to prove I caused you a loss by using the image of My dog on a shirt for rescue. You use my dog on your websight, which I agreed to because I was getting a peice at a discount, soooooo you havent held up your end, your case holds no water.

ultimately you can turn this around any way you want to, you took money, you didnt deliver, and you are using a(poor) excuse for not delivering.  I will stand by the door waiting for the postman to deliver that check.LOL!!!!


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The stained glass Avatar is the same one that I've used for ages. I just don't post that frequently, and neither do you, so I guess you never noticed that it's been there for quite some time. After reading all the nasty emails from the little 'clique', I am more than delighted to remove the Dickens name and the Samson and Mo names from my designs.

Very low class of all of you to be bringing up this kind of CRAP when a very important issue with Gloria's Mastiffs should be the focus.

Also, for the last time......MY DOGS ARE FINE. I DO NOT WANT OR NEED ANYONE'S HELP!

Thank you. I'll contact my web designer about removing the Dickens name. How ridiculous.......



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I haven't posted about this matter on this forum--in fact, I have not posted on this forum for a long long time.  I have been as horrified as has everyone.  Reading that some of the dogs have been saved is certainly good news and I do hope that the law catches up with Gloria and that her other dogs are saved.  I am grateful that people did finally take action--and I can understand the frustration of those who tried to warn us before.  Too often the breeders' "Code of Silence" kicks in and we protect and defend those who should not be protected or defended. 
Joanie H certainly had a lot of good advice--we should all heed and remember it.   
I hate to bring this to a public forum, but I must support Sue Clinton in asking that Kazia no longer use our beloved Dickens as her avatar or as the name of her stained glass piece.  Kazia, your stories just have too many discrepancies for me to be able to swallow them whole.  I was nearly speechless when you posted--using Dickens picture and I do hope that you will remove that avatar from your posts. 
Also, I must agree with Angie--if your health and finances do not allow you to  care for your dogs properly, return some to their breeders--or co owners --where they will be cared for.--or contact one of the many people who have offered help.  Do not make them suffer because they love you and you love them.   
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You know that when I asked you to use the better one instead of the rough design, it was for the Avatar that you began using on different Mastiff groups. All you had to do was email me and tell me that you wanted MY design and I would gladly have said absolutely no charge since it's for rescue. You did not buy the design. I'm going to bed. I have no more time for this ridiculous nonsense when I've been exhausted for days from all this B.S. with Gloria's dogs. GOODNIGHT. Hope that by morning you all have a better prospective on the real picture here instead of this petty bullcrap.
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actually kazia, the design was used on a shirt that raised money for rescue, and at that we were at the TWO year mark, does that ring a bell??? I thought not. As far as the deposit is was 250.00, not exactly a small pitance as you make out.  Since it is such a small amount to you, how about you send it back, since you dont seem to think it is all that much. Sure would buy some dog food here.
ultimately the design came from my photo, and I have a copy of all the emails(30) sent between you and I for the last three years, including one that asked me to use the better one, not the rough draft one.  So I am pretty sure the use of the image was implicit in your emai.
How about the at least six emails I have from you telling me the peice was done, and I would get it, hmmm, in atlanta, in Orlando, in north carolina ect. How about the last one where you said you were gong to send it because you felt so bad about the THREE years???  How about the emails from your daughter, that said you were almost done with the piece two years ago??
If you want to sue me, go for it, because I am the one with alot of proof, and no stained glass. You on the other hand have to prove I caused you a loss by using the image of My dog on a shirt for rescue. You use my dog on your websight, which I agreed to because I was getting a peice at a discount, soooooo you havent held up your end, your case holds no water.
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Re post °206 You’re right , and I do apologise for not having explicitly thanked her , so herewith my late but honest tribute to the brave Lisa Armstrong . In my former post here , I only tried to make clear ‘the truth’ , namely the fact a courageous person can turn the tide in such horrendous case and that such ‘truth’ should be noticed by others here as a definite example of adequate 'action' .

Ps - the letter type reference was inspired by the idea everything re this most unfortunate case of animal abuse should be debated in a serene & temperate climate , and that even if ‘emotions of the momentum’ being blazed sky high , in order to settle practical things (rescue , &c) in the best future interest of Mastiffs involved here . Hope this brings some clarity re my former rather square befalling remarks .


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Someone asked me why I don't go get my puppy from Kazia if I'm afraid she isn't being taken are of.  Simple enough reason - she's dead.
Don't just remove the names Kazia, remove their pictures.  I DID NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO USE THEM.  I want nothing to do with you.  Not only are you a charlatan that took our money, promises were made to repay us a little at a time, this wonderful gift was coming to us in the way of a stained glass piece of my beautiful dogs.  Any of that true, any of that come to us?  Nope, Never.  Do you get it Kazia?  I don't want to be associated with you, I don't want my dogs to represent any work that you do.  When you told us about the stained glass business you use to do, but couldn't afford to get it going, we put up the money for the software and for your supplies.  We're not talking cheap here.  So in addition to all the rent payments we made for you, electric, vet bills, the list goes on and on, we got you going with your stained glass business again.  Don't make promises about doing a thank you piece for us and then never deliver.  It would have been better not to say anything.  So understand this Kazia, what happened to those wonderful precious lives are connected with you and I don't want any of my mastiffs or my name associated with you.  Remove my pictures, names of dogs and all association with me.  Don't use my dogs picture as your avatar any longer either.  You don't deserve to be associated with that wonderful dog or its co owners.  I have no respect for people like you who use other people and then to turn a blind eye to whats going on with a poor defenseless animal, there is no sympathy for you.  I'm sure your friends will rally around you, but the people who really know you will want nothing to do with you.

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I'd like to make the following point: Liz Degerdon was never prosecuted for causing a similar tragedy, her whereabouts are unknown, and as far as I know, she is not banned from keeping dogs anywhere, or even from registering dogs under any kennel club. I don't see that it is going to be any different for Gloria Davis. No law enforcement agency is going to fund an investigation to find someone who abandoned some dogs, no matter what happened to them.

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Degredon was suspended from registering Mastiffs in the UK, when she started her "concentration camp" here...she could not register any of her dogs with AKC and promised ususpecting buyers with forthcoming papers..like Dog food it never appeared. She got away with murder in 3 states and her case was nolled. She was deported and had no green card. She starved over 65 Mastiffs and left a mess behind. I saw the Mastiffs after 3 weeks of feeding and they looked horrific.
She somehow managed to smuggle 5 Mastiffs back with her and they stayed in quaranteen till they died. From what I heard she was till alive.
Rescue's hands were tied as we were just starting out and the Mastiffs were being held as evidence. We couldn't touch them...as time went on many of the dogs WERE rescued and I picked up a 2 puppies that never really matured right.
The story has been told and retold and is somewhere in the archives on various boards. I'll never forget it...
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Kazia, I do not know you but I find it funny as hell you are so worried about them finding Gloria when your silence makes you just as guilty.  How about you step up and admit your involvement and let them file charges on you too?  I am assuming you lied your ass off to claim you had no knowledge or something similar if you are not already in trouble.  I am very glad never to have met you, and it will not hurt my feelings at all never to meet you because people like you have no place in my life.  Seriously, this is not about you and the more you try to make it about you the more of a piece of s**t you look like in my eyes. This is about the DOGS, the ones left for dead (that you didnt help), the ones that are dead (that you didnt help), and the ones who need help and LOVE (that you did not love).  Do everyone a favor and turn your own dogs over to.  No way you should ever own more than a pet rock.  Period. 

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Get an AKC field rep out there for immediate suspension?
Perhaps the MCOA rep could be helpful here ?
http://www.akc.org/rules/policymanual.cfm?page=7#Deficiencies

Get a conviction, then make certain AKC suspends for life.
http://www.akc.org/rules/policymanual.cfm?page=7#CrueltyConvictions



Deficiencies in the Care and Condition of Dogs (April 1996 Board meeting)
When in the course of routine on-site records inspections, AKC Inspectors discover dogs in a clearly compromised condition (including, but not limited to, dogs that are grossly underweight, severely dehydrated, with serious untreated injuries or having severe external parasitic infestation), AKC Investigators may then initiate referral of AKC privileges for conduct prejudicial to the best interests of purebred dogs. (A referral places an administrative hold on an individual's AKC registration privileges.) The referral process shall include provisions for offenders to be timely notified, in writing, of specific deficiencies, as well as minimum acceptable actions required to correct each deficiency. (See attached guidelines.) Offenders shall be given 45 days to correct deficiencies with the possibility of ending the referral by request and passing a complete reinspection.

In cases where deficiencies are not corrected or reinspections are not requested, the AKC may proceed with disciplinary action leading to suspension of all AKC privileges. When suspensions occur, agencies shall be notified by AKC (and whenever, during the above process, dogs are found in conditions that place them in immediate danger, agencies with jurisdiction shall be notified at once).

Note: These guidelines (adapted from drafts produced by Investigations and Inspections) are intended to help individuals correct deficiencies that have triggered notification of animal care agencies under current AKC policy and/or to help those people whose AKC registration privileges have been placed on referral because of such deficiencies. They are not meant to serve as minimum standards for breeding facilities, but rather as a basis for helping individuals correct specific deficiencies found during routine inspections.

A. Kennel Conditions (Housing)
        1. The shelter must be large enough so the dogs can sit, stand, lie down or turn around comfortably, with no overcrowding.
        2. The shelter shall be constructed and maintained so that dogs are securely confined and the shelter does not cause injury to the dogs.
        3. Protection from adverse weather conditions must be provided.
        4. Dogs must have access to daily exercise.
        5. If wire is used, it must be an appropriate size for the breed to prevent injury, especially to feet.

B. Kennel Conditions (General)
        1. Dogs should have access to fresh water on a daily basis.
        2. Dog food should be fresh and appropriate.
        3. Feces should be picked up and disposed of as frequently as necessary so as to not pose a threat to the health of the dogs.
        4. Dogs should have access to a play area on a daily basis.

C. Deficiencies in the Condition of Dogs
        1. Dogs at immediate risk.
        2. Grossly underweight dogs.
        3. Serious wounds that require veterinary care, but appear untreated.
        4. Obvious, severe external parasitic infestation.
        5. Collars that are too tight.
        6. Severe skin lesions.

These guidelines are not intended to be all-inclusive or definitive, but rather to serve as a working outline that can be expanded and refined as needed while lending uniform application to this policy.

The above is in addition to the policy adopted at the July 1990 Board meeting to notify federal, state or local agencies of unsanitary and/or unhealthy conditions found by AKC field agents during inspections/investigations of kennels; that the US Department of Agriculture (APHIS) will be notified when such conditions prevail at kennels regulated by that department under the provisions of the U.S. Animal Welfare Act; and that other state/local governmental or humane agencies will be notified when such conditions are observed at kennels not regulated by federal law.

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Cruelty Convictions (Adopted September 1990 Board meeting , Amended December 1993 and November 2004)
Cruelty to dogs or inhumane treatment of dogs is hereby recognized to be conduct prejudicial to the best interest of the American Kennel Club and to the best interest of the sport of purebred dogs, pursuant to the Constitution, Bylaws and Rules of the American Kennel Club.

A conviction or admission in a court or tribunal of competent jurisdiction or a finding by a federal or state administrative agency for cruelty to animals, inhumane treatment of animals or similar offenses involving inhumane or cruel treatment of dogs or a signed admission of cruelty, neglect or mistreatment and/or a signed release transferring legal ownership of one or more dogs to a federal, state or municipal authority as a result of a charge of cruelty, inhumane treatment of animals or similar offense involving inhumane or cruel treatment of dogs, shall be deemed conclusive proof of conduct prejudicial to the sport of purebred dogs and to the best interests of the American Kennel Club and, accordingly, shall be grounds for the immediate suspension of all American Kennel Club privileges, for such a period as the Board of Directors shall determine, upon proof of such conviction being presented to the American Kennel Club. The American Kennel Club shall notify, in writing, the person whose privileges are suspended pursuant to the Charter and Bylaws of the American Kennel Club.

               

The person shall be notified and afforded the opportunity to request reversal of the suspension by submitting proof that he or she was not convicted for such conduct or that the conviction was reversed or vacated upon appeal. If such a conviction is reversed or vacated on appeal, and there is no further prosecution of the charges, and the American Kennel Club is presented with proof of same, the person's privileges with the American Kennel Club shall be reinstated.

               

Additionally, the person shall be notified and afforded the opportunity to appeal to the Management Disciplinary Committee on the grounds that the conduct was not prejudicial to the sport of purebred dogs. The appeal must be accompanied by a $200 fee, which shall be returned if the appeal is sustained. If the Management Disciplinary Committee denies the appeal, the accused may appeal to the Appeals Committee of the Board of Directors, whose decision is final.

               


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You know it never amazes me how big some people's balls are. 

I wonder if Dr. Jane Barber is enjoying the stained glass piece that she designed........my gut says "nope" but I'm sure there is a "logical" reason behind that one too.......
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i have been foloowing this story and read every post....
but it is still not crytal clear to me as to where to donate the money.
i want to donate asap, and it says over and over to doante to the ssmr...
but on one thread right after the ssmar post, it states that ssmr is NOT accepting donations specifically for this case as the dogs are not in their care yet.
where do i donate money to assure that it will help with these dogs and help cremate the ones that passed.

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 "If the dogs are released to us,  we can post a donation page on our site and direct people who want to help there. No doubt, these dogs will require extensive medical care."
 
At this moment SSMR is not asking for donations specifically to these dogs, as they are not in SSMRs care. We will certainly keep everyone posted if and when they are released to Rescue - We are certainly hoping that they will be so that they can get individual care and love. There is always a need for funds.
 
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WAIT..AM I missing something? AC didnt take Kazia'a dogs?
Both Kazia and Gloria's dogs were housed at the same location? If that was the case...how could this Kazia person feed and care for hers..and ignore the others knowing they need care as well?

Someone correct me if Im wrong...or reading this all wrong.

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I got the same impression.  That she still has her dogs.  I also hope I understood wrong.

This is the link being used for donations I believe:

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That's how I read it Mindee....sounds like Kazia lives on the property that the dogs were starved at.  And I can not understand why the H#LL the AC did not take her dogs and arrest HER. 


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If that is the case...that her dogs were housed at the same place as Gloria's then she also has blood on her hands! For f's sakes...I couldnt sit there and feed my dogs, care for mine and look at the others and turn my back?!

If Im wrong here...please correct me. But if she fed hers, and turned her back on the others..she is just as guilty.

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Aimee my understanding is they do not have a specific fund and I gather they do not yet have possesion of the dogs - they must be careful that people do not believe that funds are earmarked (remember 911 and the redcross) - GIVE NOW and that will free funds for later.

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$ to SSMR are on the way but does the AC that is caring for the dogs now need any assistance????  TIA


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Hello all,
A fellow lister and good friend of mine, brought this issue to my attention..When I went to look for myself, and saw the pictures of Tilly and Max, I couldn't help but cry...I mean this was a Breeder that I once thought of as a good friend and mentor..In May of 2000 I met Gloria at Bucks . I was in the process of getting a female pup from her India x Shiloh litter, so we decided to meet in person.  She seemed so caring and really knew her Mastiffs.I had known of her through dee dee's EML  list and really thought she was a reputable breeder. She was always there for me when I had questions about my brindle girl, Isis. She always emailed me back within a day  ...I did notice however the last ,perhaps 2 years of Isis' life ,that I would write to Gloria but she would not write back. This was even before she left Live Oak FL. In 2006 I wrote Gloria to let her know Isis had been diagnosed with Osteosarcoma in May of 2006, but I never heard from her (Isis' d.o.b. was 3/19/00).I couldn't understand why she didn't care enough to write back. I needed her guidence .. I always keep in touch with breeders of whatever pup I get and her not writing back really broke my heart.... At the last Bucks I attended, she had JC and Hammer with her and she "acted" as if all was well. I even got to hold JC while she went into the ring with Hammer...My husband and I sat with Ilse Fass as we watched the Mastiffs. That was the last time I saw her......To now know what a truly HORRIBLE person she is not only breaking my heart again ,but seeing those poor babies lying in the mud is beyond what I can handle. I don't trust just anyone, and Gloria deceived me bigtime !  I believed everything she said ,and believe me she always had plenty to say about others.! I feel like such a fool now.. To everyone that was also hurt by her ,Stay strong and lets hope she will be brought to Justice. I saw Max ( who was Isis' half brother)at another Bucks show in which she did not attend ,but had her handler Randy show Max and Montana. He was gorgeous , and seeing the  image of him  lying in the mud, is so devastating !! Linda I am so sorry about your beautiful Tilly, my condolences to you. and your family.. It's so not Fair why the hell didn't she ask for help. I can't stand to see anyone go hungry.To know that all those dogs were allowed to freeze and go hungry is unbelievable. Gloria if you are reading this, you should have used the kennel name "Blackhearted" because that's what you have, a "BLACKHEART" !! ! Gloria if you are reading this ,why the HELL did you not ask others to take your Dogs ? Why abandon them as if they were garbage,! You pretended to love all your "babies" so much you're so full of it !!!...There are so many on this list who would have been willing to take them in !!  That only means you preferred they all  die agonizing,painful deaths then see them happy in other homes! You are truly EVIL and I Hate YOU !!

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Perhaps the MCOA rep could be helpful here ?


I sent him an email asking for guidance on this matter.

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Those of you with pictures certainly have substantiated complaints.  All of you need to contact the Compliance Department and file a "written, signed and substantiated" complaint.  Put your name where it will help rather than trying to place blame.  MORE is better!!!!!

Investigations and Inspections Department

AKC Inspections Fact Sheet

The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2009, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,300 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs.

Investigations and Inspections

  • Routine AKC field inspections involve several steps. Inspectors begin by examining the dogs as well as the condition of their environment. Inspectors check to ensure all the dogs have proper identification. They review breeder records, which must be maintained for at least five years.
  • AKC inspects breeders who register seven or more litters per year. AKC also randomly selects some breeders who register between four and six litters a year for inspection.
  • In addition, AKC inspects breeders based on written, signed and substantiated complaints.
  • Inspectors enforce the AKC Care and Conditions policy to ensure that dogs have access to adequate food, water and shelter and that kennel space provided them is appropriately constructed and not overcrowded. If a dog appears to have a health issue, inspectors make sure it is being addressed.
  • Through kennel visits, inspectors seek to work with breeders to help correct any deficiencies, as well as help new breeders develop effective practices and procedures.
  • If an inspector finds minor deficiencies, the issues are noted and discussed with the breeder, and AKC expects the issues to be taken care of before the next inspection. While the AKC does not have penal or regulatory authority, breeders who have major kennel deficiencies may lose AKC privileges (ability to register dogs or compete in events). In some cases, fines will be imposed, AKC privileges may be suspended and appropriate law enforcement authorities contacted.
  • The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine.

DNA Testing

  • DNA testing is conducted during inspections as a way to verify the parentage of a litter of puppies. Employing this technology confirms that breeders are maintaining accurate pedigrees and maintains the integrity of the AKC registry.
  • DNA testing is non-invasive — it is obtained by swabbing a dog's cheek.
  • As part of the AKC's Frequently Used Sire program (FUS), DNA tests are mandatory for dogs that sire seven or more litters in a lifetime or more than three litters in a calendar year. On average, 45 percent of all AKC litters registered each year come from an FUS dog. The AKC has over 500,000 DNA profiles in its DNA database.

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Terri  my understanding is the CLUB can submit a complaint as well....
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CHAPTER 5
AKC DISCIPLINE
SECTION 1. Any club or association or person or
persons interested in purebred dogs may make a complaint
against any other club or association or person
or persons for conduct alleged to have been prejudicial
to the best interests of purebred dogs, purebred dog
events or the AKC, which complaint shall be made in
writing setting forth the circumstances. It shall be
signed and sworn by an officer of the club or association
or by the person or persons making the same
before a person qualified to administer oaths and shall
then be sent to the AKC, (ATTENTION: Executive
Secretary) with a deposit, the amount to be established
annually by the Board of Directors. This sum shall
become the property of the AKC if said complaint shall
not to any extent be sustained, or shall be returned if
said complaint is sustained in whole or in part, or if the
AKC shall refuse to entertain jurisdiction thereof.
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Terri  my understanding is the CLUB can submit a complaint as well....
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CHAPTER 5
AKC DISCIPLINE
SECTION 1. Any club or association or person or
persons interested in purebred dogs may make a complaint
against any other club or association or person
or persons for conduct alleged to have been prejudicial
to the best interests of purebred dogs, purebred dog
events or the AKC, which complaint shall be made in
writing setting forth the circumstances. It shall be
signed and sworn by an officer of the club or association
or by the person or persons making the same
before a person qualified to administer oaths and shall
then be sent to the AKC, (ATTENTION: Executive
Secretary) with a deposit, the amount to be established
annually by the Board of Directors. This sum shall
become the property of the AKC if said complaint shall
not to any extent be sustained, or shall be returned if
said complaint is sustained in whole or in part, or if the
AKC shall refuse to entertain jurisdiction thereof.
The Board of Directors has the authority to determine



I sent an email to Bill Newman.  Hopefully he'll do something on behalf of MCOA.


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   "I'd like to make the following point: Liz Degerdon was never prosecuted for causing a similar tragedy, her whereabouts are unknown, and as far as I know, she is not banned from keeping dogs anywhere, or even from registering dogs under any kennel club. I don't see that it is going to be any different for Gloria Davis. No law enforcement agency is going to fund an investigation to find someone who abandoned some dogs, no matter what happened to them."

THIS is exactly why I posted on Tuesday (post 135 I think) that when the law does not serve her what is deserved - then it is up to ALL OF US, in the Mastiff Community, to completely SHUN her as a human being, and certainly as a breeder.  Gloria was great for talking about others behind their back and, unfortunately, many people listened because she had so much experience and knowledge and it seemed as though she right many times.  She was very convincing with her stories.

It is now our responsibility to be the voice for these dogs and make sure we let everyone we can know about Gloria and her dispicable actions.  I know that if I was speaking to someone thinking of getting one of her dogs - I would show them the recent pictures. That way - I wouldn't have to speak bad or tell a story - the pictures speak for themselves.  I have 7 years of pictures showing the condition of Gloria's dogs.

*Mastiffs don't have a voice - WE DO!  They need us!  This too, will slowly start to fade and get put on the back burner.  Gloria knows this and is patiently waiting - DON'T LET THIS BE FORGOTTEN.  When this is forgotten - then we ALL have failed all of our beloved mastiffs.*

I know that I am not going away any time soon!  This is too personal for me
and I will use my OCD for a good cause, LOL!!
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I agree with Mindee, how could you feed and care for your own dogs and do nothing with your neighbors? They were starving to death in the mud!!!  There are a lot of dirty hands here, from the moment I read she left a whelp in her basset bitch for 3 days, let her old dogs suffer, had no shelter to speak of for her dogs, housed her small dogs in a shed, shot her dogs with bbs, and had a history of leaving her dogs??   She has been doing this for a long time. Someone should have reported her YEARS ago.  I am very, very sorry for any dog that had to live with her at any time.  My condolences for the breeders who lost Tilly and Max, and for any others who died under her cruelty.


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