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How many posts have there been urging us to protest animal rights/animal control legislation? Now, after all this does anyone wonder why there needs to be laws regulating the dog breeding industry? Really? Quite frankly breeders have done a shitty job of policing themselves. There were clearly those who knew of problems with glorias "kennel" but chose to keep quiet or were attacked for speaking the truth. Don't want the govenment intruding into your lives and business? Well then maybe it is time to stand up and do what is right, dont protect bad breeders with this misguided code of silience. Can someone who turns a blind eye to abuse, neglect and exploitation no matter how impecable ther own program, be considered a reputable breeder?
I know there are a lot of serious breeders here. I'm just a dog lover who fell in love with this breed because of one very special rescue and have my very first "real" mastiff. I enjoy the board and there are a lot of good people here but I am going to he very blunt here, based on what I've read not just on this thread but over the last few years, I don't have a lot of trust in mastiff breeders or at this point any dog breeder. There are breeders that I have a very good feeling about, but still would have to go see for myself before I would consider purchasing a pup. This is the reputation dog breeders have earned because of a few bad apples and this misguided code of silience. The term dog breeder has a negative association with most people. I don't see that changing until hose in the inner circle of the dog world start blowing the whistle on puppy millers posing as reputable breeders.
If someone like Linda can be taken in how do the rest of us stand a chance of knowing who is good and who is not?

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Excellent post Sue I couldn't agree more. I bought a puppy from Gloria and although I don't regret at all the puppy I have I do regret giving her money. I truley think she isn't the only one who is/was considered reputable to do this type of stuff. I hope the reputable breeders who do exist will be more outspoken. I love owning a Mastiff but I think after this experience if I own anymore I might go back to rescues the whole buying a dog seems distasteful to me now.


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I know someone might get mad at me for asking this but......

Has anyone called and reported all these people to the IRS? We all know our animal cruelty laws often fail to bring justice for the dogs. The IRS has tougher laws. Why not get them involved?

What finally brought down Al Capone?

And Sue, I totally agree with your post, well said.

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Sue,

At times, all it takes is an anonymous phone call to get animal inspectors to visit a property and review the conditions.

Perhaps some heightened awareness will come out of this tragedy, with more proactive results preventing the deaths of Mastiffs in the future.

It's unfortunate that we don't have mandatory visits by regional clubs, that could take on the responsibility from volunteer members to periodically check on all breeders unannounced.

That's why a satellite club, or offshoot of MCOA should be organized to  review these safety issues.

Every Mastiff breeder must become a member of this group and adhere to the basic requirements for inspections. All other tenets of the MCOA would not apply.

There can be several levels of violations that could lead to eventual, near term, or automatic immediate blacklisting by breeders that are operating in unfit conditions and if their dogs are in poor condition.

If a breeder does not comply, then they are to be blacklisted by every other member breeder.

Now this will be a hard pill to swallow, but if something like this is not done, then there will always be more Degerdon's & Gloria's down the road.

Just a suggestion!



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 From post # 256:
had her handler Randy show Max and Montana

What is the status on Montana, Amasha? (I apologize in advance if she had passed away.  I haven't been active on any lists for quite some time)

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This is the reputation dog breeders have earned because of a few bad apples

Sad to say but Sue is correct.  I always find myself quickly correcting people when they ask me if I am a "breeder".  I don't want them to get the impression that it is the income most lay people equate it to be.   Of course then you risk that they won't feel you have much credibility.   Ahh  the capitalistic society to which we are conditioned.  Anything worth having/doing must come with a monetary attachment.  And the bigger the price tag the better, right?
 
BTW, there isn't much "precious" about me.  I just like color.  Sarcasm.  Now that's a good word! 





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A nice little write up about poor innocent Kazia...........

http://www.kelsosgr8danesdogtraining.com/nefertari.htm
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I still don't think I understand the time line of events or if there has been clarification yet whether the stained glass/cancer woman actually LIVED at the residence of the abandoned dogs??
Confusion also about:
this woman TOOK PICTURES then emailed them to AUSTRALIA asking what she should DO? Austrailia being 1/2 world away then immediatley called someone back in the states to get immediate help?
Did the picture taker not see any mastiff leading up to this until the day the pictures were taken? Did the picture take arrive at the scene to find the horror and begin snapping away then off to email??
Also...
Gloria was there and letting them die or Gloria was gone for 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks etc and then they died? In EITHER case... no other human was on that property to see these mastiffs being ignored by Gloria or abandoned by Gloria? NOBODY??????? Mail carrier?? Has anyone contacted the local mail carrier to find out what he observed? it's another witness......
This IS a crime and needs to be documented as precise as possible by a timeline of events leading up to and beyond the discovery so that ALL authorities involded have every detail needed.
Nothing really makes any sense, this didn't happen overnight....... there has to be a chronological series of events documented

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Every Mastiff breeder must become a member of this group and adhere to the basic requirements for inspections. All other tenets of the MCOA would not apply.

 Steve, this is a good idea on paper, but I don't see how it would be enforceable.  It wouldn't stop them from breeding and it wouldn't stop them from selling puppies.  AKC can't even do this.  There is a multi-breed miller here, locally, who has been shut down countless times, including being suspended from AKC.  A few months after it happens, they pop up again.  They change the name of the operation, register the pups under another person (usually a family member who hasn't been suspended) and have even gone so far as to relocate the physical "storefront".

Seedy people also have the luxury of the BS registries.  I have met so many naive people who are unaware of what "papers"  means. 

  Even legislation would have it's pitfalls.  It's illegal to rob or kill someone, but it still happens, despite the consequences. 

 Education is my answer, but, again, you aren't going to reach everyone.  Start by talking to people at shows or pet stores.  Maybe school assemblies??  Talk to the kids.  A kid interested in a puppy is bound to go home and nag mom and dad.  If they have been told how to go about finding a puppy, they'll pass it along.

  I try to take a dog with me as many places as I can.  It's a great way to get a conversation started, especially when the dog is a Mastiff!   

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Now this will be a hard pill to swallow, but if something like this is not done, then there will always be more Degerdon's & Gloria's down the road.


There have been many others like them in the past. And there will no doubt be more in the future.

Neil Robbins of Robbins mastiffs in NY put several of his dogs down. One of them named " Sassy" was the dam of my girl Faith. I begged him to let me have her but he wouldn't. And the rest he dumped into rescue. I remember two big brindle sisters Granite & Face  killed a dog in their foster home. They grabbed her through a doggie door and shredded her.

Sue Blinkenstaff of Cedar Ridge mastiffs in MD after learning she had  produced PRA just decided one day to march her crew into a shelter for a mass euthanasia. What she didnt know at the time was one of the shelter volunteers was also a mastiff owner and rescue volunteer. So she got caught and the story got out.

The big problem is what is known as " Hoarders".
How they get in this position can be caused by many things. Mental illness comes to mind. As does greed and dreams of making a living breeding animals.
The red flags should go up when breeders/owners have taken on a collection of dogs to large to care for.
Spit happens. People divorce. People get ill. People lose jobs. When they can no longer afford to properly care for the masses they begin to cull what is no longer a financial asset.  They will not hand over the elderly useless dogs to rescue, as this will tarnish their make believe reputations and make it harder for them to sell puppies. So instead they secretly dispose of them. Many bury the dead on their land without saying a word to anyone.




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I just spent the afternoon reading online articles concerning the Degerdon case. I have read them before but not word for word. It didn't take long for my untrained eye to notice that many of the same people familiar with the Gloria Davis issue are also familiar in one way or another with Grangemoor due to pedigrees etc.

Anyone looking to heal from this atrocity should first read there Bible and then George Santayana's book titled: Reason In Common Sense.

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Steve, this is a good idea on paper, but I don't see how it would be enforceable.  It wouldn't stop them from breeding and it wouldn't stop them from selling puppies. 



At least it would inhibit others from trading with these blacklisted individuals, for fear of being blacklisted themselves.

Look, no plan will be perfect, but if it can reduce incidences such as Gloria's, then something like it should perhaps be contemplated.



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Steve ~ There is already a secret little blacklist.
We call it " DNS".

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Everyone, rest assured SSMR is in contact with the authorities on this. As soon as they will let us we are waiting with open arms. There has been an outpouring of support and willing offers to assist.

We do not know when this will happen. We cannot ask for donations for specific dogs that are not legally in our care. There must be signed release forms in order to do this - we could jepardize our legal status by doing this and destroy our ability to operate.

SSMR, as are all rescues, constantly in need of funds. You can donate at anytime towards SSMR's general efforts. We have also been asked to not make public comment on information that has been shared, so that is why there has not been much forth coming information from SSMR on this situation.

We are here - were are waiting and hoping that they are released very soon.

Also, we are mindful that there may be legal claim by some of you to the dogs that are still living - that will NOT be overlooked and if they are released to SSMR there will be an effort to re-unite them with those who have legal claim and ability to care for them in the best possible way.

Catie - God Bless you, I am sorry I cannot be with you today.

 Jenn, awesome job getting the cremation expenses covered.

 To everyone, I am again reassured of the giant heart the mastiff community has. We won't let this horrid sitatuation ruin us as a group but make us stronger in our efforts to defend and champion the Mastiff.

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Such a sad, sad case.
As I get older I see far too many.
We had our rescue up here just a few years ago, of 45 Mastiffs from Wynmast Estates.  Attached is a picture of one after having been in the care of the SPCA for a MONTH!!!!! (Delta - brindle looking away - how skinny!)

These are very frustrating. We had reported the owners, Bill and Waltie Pieper to the SPCA a few years before that, but it took that long to put a good case together - one that wouldn't fall apart in the courts. Waltie saw what was happening and left her husband and dogs just prior to the arrest. Had the "balls" to contact me and demand that it be made known on my web site and the Cdn Mastiff Club web site that SHE was not arrested or charged - just her husband!!!!

I can understand the fear and reluctance to report these people. In my opinion many are CRAZY! I have had anonymous hate mail sent to me; and my dogs fed ground glass at a show for standing up to these types. But it has to be done, in order save many more, to end it and get these people the help the need.

In any case, I think it is an opportunity to really examine what we as breeders are truly doing this for. If you are turning a blind eye to something that you wouldn't do if it were your dog, then why are you dealing with those people? You're just keeping them in business to continue abusing those dogs! Are you just after the wins and the glory? Or truly for your love of the breed and dogs?

I have to admit that I cannot possibly take care of more than 4 dogs at one time, (other than the occasional litter). It just doesn't do them justice. They are living beings that need far more than the occasional walk, shelter, food and water. They need interaction and loving companionship in order to bring them to their full potential. Work, family and this hobby all take up enough of my time - to have a kennel full, is not fair, in my case, in my opinion.

In over 30 years involvement, I have only had 11 litters. I don't go after the typiest in order to win ribbons. Nor do I push them in order to get to the top spots. I try for a well-rounded dog, that can well represent the breed - healthy in body and mind, able to function in the manner for which it was bred. (My Tup and her son, Benson. - Int/UKC/Cdn Ch Banda's Two Pence Worth, CGN. RN & Cdn Ch Banda's At Your Beck And Call) I breed selectively, and sparingly with a goal in mind. I don't trade, barter and sell dogs, as they do or do not turn out as expected. I take responsibility for what I produce. I grill potential puppy buyers, and have turned down many, holding on to pups until just the right home comes along at 6, 7 or more months of age.

Just a time to reflect on what this really means to each of us, and our true objectives............

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Mastiffs are HOUSE dogs....anytime you see a mastiff kenneled outside call for someone to help that animal. Animal control, mastiff rescue, the AKC or call Mastiff club of American on them. Let's be honest going to Animal Control is NOT worse for the dog than the fate these poor animals were consigned to. There are enough of us rescue people out there that work with Animal Control that we jump right in when we see one in the shelter.
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had her handler Randy show Max and Montana

What is the status on Montana, Amasha? (I apologize in advance if she had passed away.  I haven't been active on any lists for quite some time)

I am sorry, I do not know anything about Montana, in 2006 in TN only met Beautiful Max...Gloria's 'pride and joy!'...yeah! just look at how he finished his life. This is what she wrote to me about the tragedy,

G wrote on the 8th of Feb,
"But I'm very sad right now.  Max died.  It takes a lot to make me cry, but he was my heart. 
I'm in and out, mostly out.  Stopped by to take care of dogs and get some clean clothes.  "
 
 Even I suspected NOTHING ...she was planning to shift back to Florida... got some money, and she or Kazia WERE  ' taking care of the dogs' ...I kept calling to make sure all was OK... ALL seemed FINE, though she was not returning calls, just a quick email always, " taking care of my dogs."
 She did an outside breeding recently with one of her 'favourite bitches'...2 puppies survived out of 9? She left the mother with 4 remaining live pups Kazia came home to find 2 of the puppies dead in the whelping box.
Dogs disappeared...apparently, 8 bodies were found including the bodies of the dead pups...2 adults may? have been shot...I DON'T know what, who to believe any more...
 
A feeble excuse I know, but Liz Dagerdon went insane....I can't believe that after all she had done the English Mastiff community did not flush her out! She seems still ' protected'!
 
I CANNOT find ANY such excuse for Gloria....not on drugs, not a heavy drinker, just seems like a twisted , Blackhearted, cruel piece of sh``t!
You will be reading this Gloria, may all the misery you caused come back on you manifold! Max, Tilly, Lana, BooBoo and all others ...May you rot in hell and choke on the bullsh``t coming out of your mouth!
 Just look at the picture of my beautiful Zeena you loved so much..she is not far behind Max in age! She is still here, cared for and much LOVED. You are a despicable, evil piece of crap. I will NEVER use JC semen to give you any connection to my prefix!
 
 Amasha  Caffyn who TRIED so hard to raise the bar for you, to prick your conscience, to help you laugh, but unfortunately seemingly dismally failed!




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I received a response to my email to Dr. Newman.  As a club, MCOA can't do anything because Gloria Davis isn't a member.  But he is going to speak to AKC and inform them of what's happened and see what's needed to take action of some kind.


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The brindle male is Bogie -  He is microchipped..

 
What you wrote to me about him being given to a
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Hello my name is Mez  several months ago my husband and i  decided we wanted to add a mastiff to our family so i started researching the breed and quickly realized there was a lot to learn. I found this forum  and logged on almost everyday and read everything everyone wrote. After reading all the stories about this wonderful breed we  knew a mastiff was exactly what we wanted. I realized that finding a reputable breeder was the best way to ensure we would get a sound puppy. I don't know anyone who owns a mastiff nor do i know any breeders, after the events of the last few days i am really bewildered as to how to find a good reputable breeder  because  some of you have stated that you thought Gloria Davis was reputable and would have recommended her  if she could fool you how does someone like myself have a chance at not getting fooled.? With all that said the reason i posted to this thread was in regard to the talk of breeder bashing theres a differences between bashing and speaking the truth. I  guess what i am trying to say i is  there are people out here like me that look to this site for guidance and good solid information even tho you might not know it. So please find a way to speak the truth about bad breeders so someone like myself doesn't get mixed  up with one of them the only way to stop people like GD is to not make it profitable for her if she cant sell puppy's hopefully she will stop breeding  and no other  dog will have to suffer at her hands she will never receive the punishment she deserves the animal cruelty laws are tough enough. To those of you that lost your beloved  mastiffs i am so sorry  for you, To anyone that  has any advise about finding the right  breeder i would love to hear from you, 
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I don't know many in the breed either. I think you can get a general feeling about a breeder from interactions on the forums, then GO MEET THEM IN PERSON!!!!!!!
That is how I decided to buy from Linda. I liked her here, went met her and her dogs, and have my now 3 year old baby curled up on the couch with me, big drooly head on my lap. And because I know Linda, visited her home many times prior to getting the pup and over the first year of his life I am pretty sure mamma ibe is fat, happy, and curled up on a nice comfy couch in linda's house as I type this. There were bumps along the way, first litter didn't work out, donovan had some minor issues here and there but she was always honest, and we worked through things together always with the best interest of the dog at heart. That is how you buy a dog with confidence and integrity. Get to know your breeder, it is the most important part of buying a pup.

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Excuse me, but you might want to quit running your mouth about things you know nothing about. That was my MOTHER.....Kazia, who is dead. Suicide if you've forgotten that I told you about that. Her full name was Kaziamiera. I can not be responsible for things my mother did. Refer to Melody's low class remark about me learning from my mother! My, my, how you love to stir it up, Jen.

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Hi Kazia,

I think under the circumstances, it's a fair & reasonable question, when you're asked if you knew of the condition of Gloria's dogs, since they appear to have been on your property.

I welcome any light that you can shed on this important point, since no explanation on your part blocks any objectivity in understanding your position.

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Excuse me, but you might want to quit running your mouth about things you know nothing about. That was my MOTHER.....Kazia, who is dead. Suicide if you've forgotten that I told you about that. Her full name was Kaziamiera. I can not be responsible for things my mother did. Refer to Melody's low class remark about me learning from my mother! My, my, how you love to stir it up, Jen.

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The brindle male is Bogie -  He is microchipped..
Where is he Kazia?

 
What you wrote to me about him being given to a
wonderful family with kids in Waucamau, Wisconsin - -
Jamie Stephens - is a BOLD FACED LIE.



 

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Kazia,please correct me if I am wrong, but these posts imply you were physically on the property where these dogs died of I assume starvation and exposure?
I can understand you may not have been in a condition, physically or financially to care for them, but clearly, since you are able to attempt to defend yourself here you have the resources to ask for help, call animal control, call rescue, not after there were dead dogs, but as soon as a problem was identified.
Is there an explanation for your failure to act in a timely manner?

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Linda,
please dont beat yourself up over this, thank you for sharing your story! and hopefully she gets worse treatment then her poor animals got!
i was sent 3 pic for a great dane friend of mine and it was so heartbreaking but it is the reality of the situation! my heart is breaking for you and all those dogs!
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.....Kazia, who is dead. Suicide if you've forgotten that I told you about that.....


 

WHEN DID SHE DIE?


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When was the last time anyone actually spoke to Gloria? When was the most recent?


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.....Kazia, who is dead. Suicide if you've forgotten that I told you about that.....


 

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oK cause I was getting confused.  This is all so very horrible.

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Linda, I promise you that this is a huge mistake. I know for a fact that the two brindle males that are at the shelter are Gloria's J.C. and Hawk. I doubt J.C. is even 32" and Hawk is still a pup....maybe 29-30", plus they are both VERY dark black/brindles. Bogey is easily 34", maybe taller, and just 'normal' fawn/brindle markings, not particularly dark like Gloria's brindles. You would know just by looking at either of the two brindle males at the shelter that neither one of them remotely resembles Bogey, or any dog from your breedings for that matter.

I just got off the phone with Suzie Mears. Two people from rescue were here this afternoon......Catie Arney and Crystal Landreth. They wrapped up the dogs that and loaded them up in Catie's truck. After they were on the truck, we all pretty much broke down and had a good cry. Crystal and I both puked our guts out. Catie drove the dogs to the guy for cremation, including your Tilly, Linda.

I've had my differences with both Catie and Crystal in the past, and they've had some of their own issues, but damn it, I have to say they stepped up to the plate and got the job done. It's nice to be able to walk out in the yard now and not have to look at these poor dogs.

Jason, the officer that I've been working with, came over as well, and talked with Crystal and I for awhile. He's been great about keeping me posted on the dogs at the shelter, because they're not allowed to give out any info, even to me. They must be on overload, because I believe it was someone from the shelter who mistakenly said ALL the dogs were brought in which is why Suzie was so scared, and now you are too, Linda. ALL dogs were completely looked over by at least 6-8 people, indoors and out. They told me that any animal that was abused or neglected would be taken, including mine. Well, that obviously didn't happen. Mine are still very much here and they're fine. This officer has been great, and has been obsessed with this case. He told me that he laid awake and listened to his scanner until 2 a.m., because he was concerned that Gloria might come after me. He told me not to open the door for her after dark under any circumstances, and to call 911 if she showed up. I heard that there was some speculation that she may have killed herself because she was SO distraught over Max's death.....BULL----. That's why she buried him under a piece of tin! I intentionally left her mail in the mailbox, and she must have been here sometime late last night, because her mail was gone today. The neighbors are keeping an eye out for her friend's white Ford 150 pickup truck so we can get the license number and hopefully find her and the dogs she took with her. For those of you who are wondering if your dogs are alive, I do know that Gloria left here on two separate occasions with 2 smallish brindle females each time. I kept wondering why she would leave her pride and joy, J.C. here, but Catie remarked that the bitches were most likely pregnant which makes a hell of a lot of sense in my book. Good luck trying to sell the puppies if you're reading this on your new laptop computer, Gloria!!!

THANK YOU, SSMR, ESPECIALLY CATIE AND CRYSTAL FOR JUMPING IN TO HELP. I NEVER COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS DONE ALONE, in fact until late yesterday afternoon, I wasn't allowed to do anything with the dead ones because the case was still being investigated. As the owner of the property, I got permission to dispose of the bodies by any legal means. These dogs deserved at least a decent burial. They were probably being cremated right around dark, because Catie was in a hurry to make it on time.

I will get Jaime's contact info for you, Linda. Bogey IS with her. She and her family love him to death and she can have him scanned for you. I met her here in Anderson with him a couple months ago so she wouldn't have to drive so far. Give me about a half hour. I'll get the info and email it to you.

This whole thing has turned into an ugly nightmare. The people at the shelter who have Gloria's dogs are on overload and their phone is ringing off the hook with inquiries about the dogs. Suzie Mears was totally freaked out.....hadn't even slept for the last two nights because somebody mistakenly told her that all of the dogs were confiscated, including mine. Catie asked to see my two dogs from Suzie, and they came right up to the door and greeted her. I told her that I would get in touch with you right away to let you know about Bogey, Linda. Give me about a half hour. I'll get Jaime's contact info for you and you can confirm this with her. I don't think she would have a problem with getting him scanned for his microchip number.

By the way, Catie Arney and Crystal Landreth, and everyone else who helped out with getting these dogs cremated, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Shirley and Lisa, thank you as well for all your help and kindness.

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The brindle male is Bogie -  He is microchipped..
Where is he Kazia?

 
What you wrote to me about him being given to a
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I am sorry, I do not know anything about Montana, in 2006 in TN only met Beautiful Max...Gloria's 'pride and joy!'...yeah! just look at how he finished his life. This is what she wrote to me about the tragedy,

Wasn't Montana from you???  I could have sworn I remember Gloria talking about importing a bitch from you about 5 or 6 years ago.  I was interested in seeing her in person and had hoped that Gloria would bring her to Bucks, but I don't think she ever did.
 
My memory really sucks any more.  Somebody help me out here.  It was back when the Typey list first came about.  Anybody??
 
 

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Kazia,

I was not there on the behalf of rescue. I never stated as such. I was there because the way these Mastiffs suffered and died and couldn't stand the fact they were left to rot with out burial. Even I had no dog in this couldn't stand the thoughts of them not having a proper burial. Ours or not they didn't deserve any of this or deserve to lay on top of the ground and decay for the rats to eat them. I am soooo sick!

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While I do agree that these dogs needed a proper burial, I wonder if their being cremated without necropsy and concrete proof of cause of death will hurt Gloria's potential prosecution in the future?  Hopefully they were all photographed in their "places" on the property before being moved, necropsied, and identified if possible (DNA samples taken, even?) before they were cremated.

This whole situation is just awful... most of what I'm reading on this thread about the parties involved seems too terrible to be real... 



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Carrie,

From what I understand they took 2 puppies found in a burn pile and one adult dog for necropsy. There were a total of 10 dead Mastiffs on the property. They took 3, we took the other 7.

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I am sooooo disgusted by that photo of that poor beautiful girl, what a horrible death.  We are entrusted by these beautiful big Mastiffs to care and look after their every need, we are soo honoured to be able to own them.  If it was me, I would go without food so my dog could eat, how could anyone sleep at night knowing that they had done this to living thing. 

Gloria you need to be shot you are the most lowest human being on the planet, I have spoken to you once, but never would had I known  you were capable of this, you are such a disgrace, words cannot discribe you, I would love to see you in person and then I could definately let you know.

 Why didnt you ask for help, or rehome them, or given Linda the opportunity to get her darling bitch back.  There were sooooo many options you had????????  Yet you let these poor dogs suffer under these horrible circumstances, that I cannot apprehend..  You are dispicable and I hope you rot in hell for what you have done. 
Lets only hope that the lucky ones that survived have the chance to lead a beautiful life, LIKE THEY SHOULD OF.
Linda I am so sorry for you, words cannot say anything.
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Catie and Crystal,

Thank you both so much for your obvious dedication to our beloved breed.  What you did today took an immense amount of courage and is so very appreciated. 


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Catie will post when she ready. Catie did the brunt of the work. By the time I got there she already had them wrapped up. She is a hell of woman to do what she did. I was puking and barley got through it. Catie deserves all the credit here, I just helped her load them.


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Catie and Crystal I hope you know what it means to all of us that you recovered the dogs for a decent ending. I have cried alot over this, as I know most of us have. Your courage is over whelming. May Angels watch over you all and keep you safe always.


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Note the part I bolded in Red. So Am I to assume you seen these dogs daily when you walked in the yard ?
Did I read that right ?


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Linda, I promise you that this is a huge mistake. I know for a fact that the two brindle males that are at the shelter are Gloria's J.C. and Hawk. I doubt J.C. is even 32" and Hawk is still a pup....maybe 29-30", plus they are both VERY dark black/brindles. Bogey is easily 34", maybe taller, and just 'normal' fawn/brindle markings, not particularly dark like Gloria's brindles. You would know just by looking at either of the two brindle males at the shelter that neither one of them remotely resembles Bogey, or any dog from your breedings for that matter.

I just got off the phone with Suzie Mears. Two people from rescue were here this afternoon......Catie Arney and Crystal Landreth. They wrapped up the dogs that and loaded them up in Catie's truck. After they were on the truck, we all pretty much broke down and had a good cry. Crystal and I both puked our guts out. Catie drove the dogs to the guy for cremation, including your Tilly, Linda.

I've had my differences with both Catie and Crystal in the past, and they've had some of their own issues, but damn it, I have to say they stepped up to the plate and got the job done. It's nice to be able to walk out in the yard now and not have to look at these poor dogs.

Jason, the officer that I've been working with, came over as well, and talked with Crystal and I for awhile. He's been great about keeping me posted on the dogs at the shelter, because they're not allowed to give out any info, even to me. They must be on overload, because I believe it was someone from the shelter who mistakenly said ALL the dogs were brought in which is why Suzie was so scared, and now you are too, Linda. ALL dogs were completely looked over by at least 6-8 people, indoors and out. They told me that any animal that was abused or neglected would be taken, including mine. Well, that obviously didn't happen. Mine are still very much here and they're fine. This officer has been great, and has been obsessed with this case. He told me that he laid awake and listened to his scanner until 2 a.m., because he was concerned that Gloria might come after me. He told me not to open the door for her after dark under any circumstances, and to call 911 if she showed up. I heard that there was some speculation that she may have killed herself because she was SO distraught over Max's death.....BULL----. That's why she buried him under a piece of tin! I intentionally left her mail in the mailbox, and she must have been here sometime late last night, because her mail was gone today. The neighbors are keeping an eye out for her friend's white Ford 150 pickup truck so we can get the license number and hopefully find her and the dogs she took with her. For those of you who are wondering if your dogs are alive, I do know that Gloria left here on two separate occasions with 2 smallish brindle females each time. I kept wondering why she would leave her pride and joy, J.C. here, but Catie remarked that the bitches were most likely pregnant which makes a hell of a lot of sense in my book. Good luck trying to sell the puppies if you're reading this on your new laptop computer, Gloria!!!

THANK YOU, SSMR, ESPECIALLY CATIE AND CRYSTAL FOR JUMPING IN TO HELP. I NEVER COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS DONE ALONE, in fact until late yesterday afternoon, I wasn't allowed to do anything with the dead ones because the case was still being investigated. As the owner of the property, I got permission to dispose of the bodies by any legal means. These dogs deserved at least a decent burial. They were probably being cremated right around dark, because Catie was in a hurry to make it on time.

I will get Jaime's contact info for you, Linda. Bogey IS with her. She and her family love him to death and she can have him scanned for you. I met her here in Anderson with him a couple months ago so she wouldn't have to drive so far. Give me about a half hour. I'll get the info and email it to you.

This whole thing has turned into an ugly nightmare. The people at the shelter who have Gloria's dogs are on overload and their phone is ringing off the hook with inquiries about the dogs. Suzie Mears was totally freaked out.....hadn't even slept for the last two nights because somebody mistakenly told her that all of the dogs were confiscated, including mine. Catie asked to see my two dogs from Suzie, and they came right up to the door and greeted her. I told her that I would get in touch with you right away to let you know about Bogey, Linda. Give me about a half hour. I'll get Jaime's contact info for you and you can confirm this with her. I don't think she would have a problem with getting him scanned for his microchip number.

By the way, Catie Arney and Crystal Landreth, and everyone else who helped out with getting these dogs cremated, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Shirley and Lisa, thank you as well for all your help and kindness.

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The brindle male is Bogie -  He is microchipped..
 
Where is he Kazia?

 
What you wrote to me about him being given to a
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I've had my differences with both Catie and Crystal in the past, and they've had some of their own issues, but damn it, I have to say they stepped up to the plate and got the job done. It's nice to be able to walk out in the yard now and not have to look at these poor dogs.

The above statement came from the lady that knew these dogs, Kazia.  So, you could see these dogs from your yard?  You didn't notice that they were starving or in mud?  You didn't notice that they were dying?  OMG, what type of person will sit and watch this happen to such gentle giants. 

I don't know Gloria and I hate her.  I don't know you either Kazia and I have a very strong DISLIKE for you too.  Very sad human beings.   I do believe in karma and you will get yours too.



 

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I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed the part about going out to the back yard and seeing these poor dogs.  UNREAL


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Susan --thank you for the kind words.

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I think under the circumstances, it's a fair & reasonable question, when you're asked if you knew of the condition of Gloria's dogs, since they appear to have been on your property.

I welcome any light that you can shed on this important point, since no explanation on your part blocks any objectivity in understanding your position.

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Catie & Crystal,
    What you did today took a lot of intestinal fortitude in an unholy situation. I am sure that you will be forever scarred by the things you saw today, as we are all scarred that read the horrors unfold on the list. Thank you for what you did for the dogs....

I've had my differences with both Catie and Crystal in the past, and they've had some of their own issues, but damn it, I have to say they stepped up to the plate and got the job done. It's nice to be able to walk out in the yard now and not have to look at these poor dogs.
 
   interesting that Kazia didn't "step up to the plate" and I doubt very much that she is affected by all the horror that the dogs endured....

 

  




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As far as what Kazia is telling--stop listening.  I truely believe she doesn't know where the truth and fiction begin.  Her stories just do not add up.  The woman is  not in touch with reality, she is delusional, and mentally  incompentant.  NOTHING she has told is based in truth.  The dogs did not starve to death--they were all shot in the top of their heads.  Tilly, Max--all of them.


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Catie and Crystal it took a lot of strength to do what you did for those poor babies!! I dont care what others think of you in my eye you are a wonderful breeder you helped me when nobody else would and now you have helped so many others and those poor dogs to have a better ending to such a painful life.



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Wasn't Montana from you???  I could have sworn I remember Gloria talking about importing a bitch from you about 5 or 6 years ago.  I was interested in seeing her in person and had hoped that Gloria would bring her to Bucks, but I don't think she ever did.
My memory really sucks any more.  Somebody help me out here.  It was back when the Typey list first came about.  Anybody??
 U r warm....but  MOST DEFINITELY NOT!!!!! Gloria NEVER owned a Hunzeal bitch and she was NEVER going to own one! Though I was her
' Worlds Apart friend "! 
But that's when she first contacted me to say that she 'was delighted to have a Hunzeal bitch!' I hit the roof! Though tried to be 'nice' to a person who was pleased as Punch!
 That was a lovely case of breeder bashing so well done on lists......one of my absolute successful public flamers on this very List advised the breeder of Montana's grandparents to put the two Hunzeal dogs together in spite of my agreement with the purchaser  NEVER to do so! This great 'pedigree expert' who bred nothing of ' note' & has not owned a Mastiff for years just knew it better than the breeder, (ME)! Incidentally BOTH Hunzeal dogs had excellent hips & elbows but I did a similar mating with Damaria Powerful Magic & his grand-daughter...came a cropper. I did NOT want some poor unsuspecting newby with less of an eye for problems to come a cropper...but ' I was jealous & didn't want others to breed the quality Mastiff I bred'...& the mating went ahead...the daughter was put to another Australian prefix I had NO intention to deal with ...then a 'Father daughter mating' of the same. That was the lovely Montana bred by a ONE TIME breeder! I was spitting chips, sitting on my tongue when G. contacted me! BTW..both parties are good ' friend' now.
Nevertheless SURPRISE Gloria came a cropper with Montana ..who knows? She may have shot her?? Allegedly she was euthanized before she turned 4 years of age! So things must have been grim!
Whist on the subject of Gloria,
 After cussing Gloria in my last post...I have just realized one thing, in my disgust I overlooked the fact that, ...whilst I was in TN for the 3-4 weeks, back in late Dec 2006....though she did thing differently from me & by MY standards in an appalling  conditions..I have to say, she was a very hard worker and WITHOUT fail, rain, hail, blizzard or shine she DID do her dogs TWICE a day...They were all let out, ( from the smaller pens) watered twice each & every day and fed once...sure, in those revolting big buckets what they could step in with muddy, shitty feet & they did as several dogs were kennelled together.....but the buckets were CLEANED...twice. She LOVED Hammer, he was her ONLY dog that was a very good size. She loved him for that!  She also loved Tilly as she was her' English type Mastiff'.....she always took esp. good care of them THEN....and she had crates on crates for her poor Chihuahuas on top of each other....disgusting...but I bet she is NOT alone in that!  By the time I left most Chihuahuas & Pugs were GONE! I had to share this to be fair. I cannot fathom just HOW things sunk this low???

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Hi Steve,
I would love nothing more than to explain to everyone exactly what all transpired here, but I don't know how long I can sit here glued to either the computer or the phone. All this has been a nightmare, and I'm sleep deprived and sick, so I have to stay off here for a short while and get some rest. Let me just say one thing.....the heading on this thread should definitely NOT say that Gloria abandoned her dogs. She was here every day until the spit hit the fan when the photos were posted. I was here pretty much for the month of December, but in later Jan. and most of Feb., I was up north and came to the house a few weekends. I am the one who took the photos of Gloria's dogs and sent them not just to Amasha in Australia, but to a friend in S.C. He contacted Shirley Edwards from rescue for me and asked her to call me so that I could let her know what was going on. I told her about all this, and I also talked with Lisa Armstrong. Both of these gals were wonderful and helpful. Long story short, I was told by the authorities that while they were conducting their investigation, I was not allowed to do ANYTHING with the deceased dogs. Late Wed. afternoon I was told that, as the owner of the property, I had their permission to dispose of the bodies of the deceased dogs in any legal way. It was NOT a case of me living here watching Gloria's dogs suffer and die. I was up north and barely here, bringing my own dogs and personal belongings down to move in 'officially', and also going to my routine oncology appointments. Every time I came back here my place looked more trashed, inside and out, and it started to look like Gloria was not showing much of an interest in her dogs anymore. I told her they were starting to look thin and that she needed to get them on dry ground and get them some decent shelter. It's been cold and rainy here.....only one day of snow. Max was around 9 years old, and I was here the day he died. I had to go back up north that same evening and was gone for 4+ days......found Max 'buried' under a piece of tin when I got back. I went totally berserk on Gloria and she got very violent with me and threatened me over and over again and told me to keep my F---ing hands off her dogs when I tried to bury Max myself. I honestly had NO idea that Gloria had gotten Max from a breeder. I thought he came from one of her own breedings. I was not here when Tilly died, but when I found her body in the mud and filth I totally broke down and that's when I started taking photos to document this horror. I also emailed Linda because I wanted to tell her about Tilly and asked her to contact me, but I didn't hear from her....I still don't know why. There's plenty more to this but I just can't stay awake any longer, so I'll email more after a mental health break from this nightmare. This has been the worst week of my life. Thank God Catie and Crystal came today and took the dogs for cremation. I can't thank them enough......also Lisa, Jill, Shirley and the everyone from SSMR. This 7 page witch hunt bashing has drained me. I may not have done everything the way others would have, but I damn well did my best to help these poor dogs, so the people who feel the need to trash me and try to make me feel like this was my fault can all go and.......
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"Catie & Crystal,
    What you did today took a lot of intestinal fortitude in an unholy situation. I am sure that you will be forever scarred by the things you saw today, as we are all scarred that read the horrors unfold on the list. Thank you for what you did for the dogs.... "

I have to second that. I was hoping that all this anger would translate to some practical action. May they rest in peace. NOTHING can harm them anymore! Was poor Boo Boo amongst the dead? She only had pups 5 months ago. If Gloria took her mail should there be not a 24 hour surveillance

 My last email from her was on the 8th of Dec..

 But I'm very sad right now.  Max died.  It takes a lot to make me cry, but he was my heart. But I'm very sad right now.  
I'm in and out, mostly out.  Stopped by to take care of dogs and get some clean clothes.  G.

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Hey, idiot, Tilly and Max were NOT shot. Others were. You have no freaking idea, so why don't you shut your trap.
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