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I will not communicate with Angie unless its in regards to my deposit. I never vowed to "smear" Angie. I vowed to tell MY experience with her and that is exactly what I did. I gave a $600 deposit for a puppy that was to be born at the end of March. For a puppy that was 30 days gestational age. The puppy was not even conceived when I gave my deposit. Dani- I appreciate your sound perspective on this, but I gave $600 to a stranger for lies...I think "paranoid" may be the wrong word. I would say I am justifiably alarmed. How can I trust someone that flat out lied to me? I posted to this forum to protect potential puppy buyers. You think I wanted to have this drama? I have chosen to not exploit the health of my family as an excuse, but truth be told 2 of my 3 (boys ages 2 and 7 years)children are being tested for Rhumetoid Arthritis (sp?), but it does not excuse my obligations...am I more entitled to my money now that I too have health concerns in my home? I am truly thankful that Angie's daughters health has been cleared. As a mother and a human being. The lies cannot be excused because of her daughter's health....they were told before she was even sick. None of you know me on a personal basis, so I guess you have no way of confirming this, but I AM a good person. I am not a NASTY person. I have a huge heart and always see the good in people. Including someone who stole from me.

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For some strange reason, I've always found that those who can't pay their debts, always have a list of excuses that entitles them not to pay!

Rarely do I see any sympathy, for those that they have taken the money from.

I truly hope that Angie returns your deposit in a timely fashion, so that we can put all of this behind us.

I sympathize with any personal plight that both Angie & you may have been going through, but that should not justify absconding from an obligation that was made in good faith & trust!

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I'm just going to throw this in here again. Puppy buyers, check the Better Business Bureau in the breeder's area (any breeder). If you are having a problem like this, chances are, someone else is as well. When you do have issues, report them to the BBB. It might save another puppy buyer the same heartache.

As for Angie and her problems, that does not negate her responsibility to the puppy buying no matter what is happening in her own family. And, I agree TOTALLY with what Steve said.

I do not consider either person posting about their deposits as "nasty" people. They have a right to their money back.

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Let's not forget Angie.......

-You've lied several times to ethertonhaverly

-"I personally know Angie still owes a buyer a full refund of over $2,000.  He paid for a puppy including shipping--and she did not have a puppy for him"

-"the buyer above was threatened by the old "if you are a "breeder basher", no good breeders will sell you a puppy"

-And, you did exactly what I told everyone you did before, revert to calling names........


This isn't the first time this has happened and it continues. Mark my words there will be another litter announcment on her website in the next 6 months. I sure wish the other people who sent me emails and called me with the last litters she had would speak up. Crap happens, if it were one person everyone would cut Angie a break but it's more like 6 or 7 people and that is a habit.

I truly feel for anyone with health issues and hope the best for her family and their health but at the same time they continue to have litters of puppies to care for when they should be caring for themselves. I think the best of the best breeders know that it's hard enough to care for a litter when you're healthy let alone when you're sick.

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Ethertonhavely,
I am in no way saying that your caution isn't warranted it completely is and I understand your pain. I am not defending anyone here, I don't know anyone involved, I was mainly suggesting that Angie try not to retaliatle but rather rise above.

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I never said that I wasnt going to return a deposit that was not mentioned in my post not once! Please do not pretend you know my finances or why I do or dont return a deposit I clearly have it written on my website and contract that deposits are not refundable in cash but they can go to any puppy from any breeding and guess what I looked at all that people on here bashing me your websites all say that damn same thing as do many breeders....it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth that I an have people not happy with me because I was not there to hold their hands I know some peopl need it more than others but I had a reason for not getting in touch I had others and myself post so everyone would know wht was happening it was not my fault and these very people come on a board with people that I do not like Teresa jumps to the chance to trash everyone and always me everytime she can then Breanne just being a very nasty bitch to me because she thought I was going to put my mastiffs into homes because I couldnt do it anymore it didnt happen of course I couldnt do it but that is not her business I recieve emails andposts with Breanne bashing me since that day! I was threatened that she was coming on here to just to damage my name but honestly I dont care bash away its just hurting herself I have the proof she was never lied to and I am not going into everything on a boad with people that I have never gotten along with ever! I havent had a litter in 3 years that was mine I have helped coowned owners find homes but I never got the profits from it same as the litter that I just lost it was not mine Maddy and Bo puppies are mine and I am very proud of the mastiffs I have produced for over 7 years now and I get 2 people on a board not happy with me and I get slammed bullshit they both broke my contract the minute they postedon this board with any issues with me I am going to be happy to find a new home for their puppies and refund them I am just glad my puppies didnt go into these homes at this point I do thank God for people to show their true colors now!! again talk amongst yourselves and have fun.......


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Dani thank you for your post I think you are very wise and do understand! But I dont want my young kids to read anything nasty about their mom because of dogs sorry I just cant do that anymore Mastiff breeders really do take the cake on learning how to rip apart each other instead of helping and to me thats very sad and just not who I am. I wish the very best for you it must be very hard to always here negative about your family so I am going to say I love your mastiffs always have and I think you have a wonderful family...God Bless you all!


Linda I have emailed you so many times sorry about your situations in life and if there was anything I could do for you especially when people were slamming you for having so many birds and selling them all, also having to sell all of your mastiffs the very same thing Breanne is going after me for I honestly would have done anything for you to help you I have always respected the breeder you are and wow I am saddened that you let it get this far and not even atleast just stop the nasty posting from the same people all the time but I do understand ratings are what matters in the end so I am a hot topic huh??!!! sad very sad!


Again people to me this all goes back to Gloria you all really should have learned by now to not judge people on a board if they are bad or good call people up talk to people even in a email not go by what you hear make your own opinions...I feel so sorry or the next ratings person on here!

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Sounds reasonable!


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And even though Hope is angry she still has not resorted to nastiness.


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Very well said Hope.

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I just spoke to Hope and told her my wording was not to her at all!! I have apologized to Hope and I am very sorry for what happened and I just told her again.....Hope will be getting her deposit back and hopefully her and I will remain friends because she is a wonderful person and I do care about her!

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Way to go Angie!!!


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Angie just wondering how you were able to breed Maddie again if her uterus ruptured as stated in post 48 and you say you just bred her to Bo wow poor girl? If I remember correctly this happened to Maddie last year by posts you made back then.  So little confused on how she was able to be bred again?  Maybe I am wrong but just saying


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Hey CeCe maybe you should go and reread what I wrote before your bitterness shows LOL Morgans uterus ruptured NOT Maddy.....Now CeCe how many bitches do you breed at one time????!!!!! How many litters have you had in your few years in mastiffs OMG I cant even keep count anymore....WOW

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OH Angie get over it.  I know your herpes litter was also over a year ago because you called me for help because you knew I had gone through losing puppies from herpes so is time repeating itself.

You can't even go there on number of litters I am a MCOA member in good standing and I am held accountable for my actions unlike you.

Don't even try to attack me

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Just because you are a MCOA  member doesnt make you better than I.....Like I said before they were coowned bitches not my own so bash me for helping others but honestly I am done....Your head is way to big maybe you need to talk to a good friend and remember who you were not who you have become...now my membership is deleted on here and any other boards.....if anyone needs me please email me privately or on my facebook page.

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I never said it made it me better All I said is I have rules to follow about the number of litters I have. For you to use the DRF as an excuse for people attacking you is also wrong.  I breed DRF and never has anyone bad mouthed me because of the lines I choose to breed. Maybe actions speak louder then words.
We have heard you leave now several times BYE
I know you are always helping others remember we were friends at one time and I know the truth

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For All that have posted here
 
 
I hope the days come easy and the moments pass slow
And each road leads you where you want to go
And if you're faced with the choice and you have to choose
I hope you choose the one that means the most to you

And if one door opens to another door closed
I hope you keep on walkin' ?til you find the window
If it's cold outside, show the world the warmth of your smile
But more than anything, more than anything

My wish for you
Is that this life becomes all that you want it to
Your dreams stay big, your worries stay small
You never need to carry more than you can hold

And while you're out there gettin' where you're gettin' to
I hope you know somebody loves you
And wants the same things too
Yeah, this is my wish

I hope you never look back but you never forget
All the ones who love you and the place you left
I hope you always forgive and you never regret
And you help somebody every chance you get

Oh, you'd find God's grace in every mistake
And always give more than you take
But more than anything, yeah more than anything

My wish for you
Is that this life becomes all that you want it to
Your dreams stay big, your worries stay small
You never need to carry more than you can hold

And while you're out there gettin' where you're gettin' to
I hope you know somebody loves you
And wants the same things too
Yeah, this is my wish, yeah yeah

My wish for you
Is that this life becomes all that you want it to
Your dreams stay big, your worries stay small
You never need to carry more than you can hold

And while you're out there gettin' where you're gettin' to
I hope you know somebody loves you
And wants the same things too
Yeah, this is my wish
(My wish for you)

This is my wish
(My wish for you)
I hope you know somebody loves you
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May all your dreams stay big
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Thank you everyone.  I have broke down and am crying.  I have been through a lot of stuff in the past 6 months or so and things have not been easy lately.  We all have our crosses to bear.  And I think we all need someone to be understanding of our plights.  I am glad that there are people who don't even know me, that can stand behind me and give me strength.  It is times like these that I miss my Chloe the most and would always find comfort in her.  She was more important to me than she will have ever known.  This entire journey has been emotional for me because I am essentially getting an unofficial replacement for Chloe, who was my heart and my soul.  I never want to contribute to another persons troubles or be responsible for hurting them.  I do not like confrontation, it stresses me out and upsets me.  I hope we can all learn to work together, ask for help when we are struggling and support one another when we need it.  We never know what the other person might be going through and we should all hope that if we are ever in a less than perfect situation there is someone who can believe in us.  Thanks guys.

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Oh my goodness gracious people.  This site has a HUGE amount of great information for mastiff owners.  But threads like this, make me want to leave.

GROW UP people.  Using expletives on a site like this - pointless.  Thank you so much that I can now never let my 14 year old read this site... who knows what she would come across. Certainly not language allowed in our home.

Breeding is a business.  No puppy = giving someone their money back.  Keeping money for the next litter is ridiculous unless the buyer wants that.
How would anyone know WHEN the next litter is coming, how many puppies there will be, or if they will make it?  A buyer is just going to "loan" a breeder money for an unspecified amount of time?  I personally think the deposit should be repaid with interest- because it SHOULD have been sitting in the bank MAKING money... because only a desperate person would spend money that is not legally theirs!  No living, healthy puppy- means NOT being able to PUT the deposit TOWARDS something.

If I had read threads like this before getting Grace- I would probably NOT have gotten a mastiff.  What started out as someone wanting to get legitimate info has turned into a world war.  

We ALL have issues.  Want to hear mine, just today's?  I'm supposed to leave for  a $4k vacation we saved years for and waited for my son to be healthy enough to go on.  Now the government is most likely going to shut down and my husband will NOT be allowed to leave the area, as he is essential personnel.
He will be considered AWOL if he goes on vacation, even though it was approved a year ago.  My MIL and SIL are flying in from 2 different states to join us, it's a 10 hour drive for me, and I can't drive more than 1/2 hour at a time due to severe migraines, and we can't get the money back on our resort, because it's past the 15 day notice.  EVERYONE has issues.  When you run a business, at least one you want to KEEP in business... your personal life does not matter.  You make the calls, take care of things anyway possible, and you DO the RIGHT thing no matter how costly it is to you as a person.  That is the MORAL responsibility someone in business has.  

I enjoy the joking, the info, the help on this site.  However, whoever owns or moderates it, really needs to take control and maybe actually moderate things before posting them.  I find myself stressed out, offended, and upset after reading things like the ones in this thread.  I do not think that is why this forum was started.

Just my personal opinion.  

Now, back to MY life... can we please all pray they either extend this budget thing or solve it?  I have a family vacation to go on  and I can NOT handle my special needs son on my own without my husband.  :-)  thanks!
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Instead of breeders bashing breeders I want to point out that there are proper legal avenues to follow if you feel you have been the victim of fraud.

This is exactly why we have laws and elected officials to intervene on behalf of all parties involved.

I suggest you visit the web site for the CT State Attorney and file a consumer complaint form. They can then interview the breeder and his/her attorney to determine if any fraud has been committed. >

http://www.ct.gov/ag/lib/ag/consumers/consumercomplaintform032011.pdf

Also some advice from the same CT govt office recommends filing a federal complaint >



Once you have documented that you have filed the appropriate legal papers you may also contact the AKC and ask them to investigate.


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Eileen, that's another excellent resource for the long term. Unfortunately, I don't think the Attorney General or FBI is going to take any immediate action (may take YEARS) and new puppy buyers researching breeders are still "at risk" with breeders using the scam. At least with the BBB, there's an immediate (or almost immediate) report. It can warn other buyers to beware.

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I am not really sure how I came to be the "nasty" person in all of this? I have never received my puppy contract from Angie. I gave $600 for a puppy that wasn't conceived. I was told the puppy was 30 days gestational age. She lied!!!! That is the bottom line. We never even received the Puppy Packet we were supposed to received. What should I think. When the discrepancies in the due date became clear I asked for my deposit back. I told Angie I would give one week for my money to be returned. The money should have been put in an account and readily available. I waited one week before making my post. When I recieve my deposit back for the fictitious puppy my kids are waiting for, I will be sure to applaud Angie for being responsible. For the record...wherever our puppy comes from it is going to be one very LOVED baby.Dani-I knew your comments were very diplomatic...no worries.

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No worries. You did nothing wrong in my book.


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Hope,
 I am sorry for what your family is going through. I wish your kids the best of health and will say a prayer for them. I so wish your family was getting ready to take your pup home!
 I'm so glad to see that you and Angie were able to talk and work things out in a reasonable, adult way.
 I'm sure if any of us could turn back time, there are plenty of things we would do differently.
It is nice that y'all have worked this out.

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Breeding the "lion of Dogdom" takes time, money, education and high hopes that everything will turn out ok. You must have a clear understanding of what it is to come and no obstacles should stand in your way. Your calender should be cleared of anything important and the sole concern is the health and welfare of the bitch and babies...
If you are doing it for other reasons ...just the money, you are going to get in trouble down the road, I don't know what happened with Angie and I 'm hoping she is well and doing the right thing for her buyers...
One of the reasons I choose NOT to breed is because of the ultimate committment to it all....ALL of it....one more thing, either you are reputable or not. Either you are a BYB or not. Set your standards high, do the right thing for the breed, it's already in trouble with too many puppies from indiscriminate breedings...I could go on forever, but this is how I feel..
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Well said Gina...G!


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Thank you everyone. I have broke down and am crying. I have been through a lot of stuff in the past 6 months or so and things have not been easy lately. We all have our crosses to bear. And I think we all need someone to be understanding of our plights. I am glad that there are people who don't even know me, that can stand behind me and give me strength. It is times like these that I miss my Chloe the most and would always find comfort in her. She was more important to me than she will have ever known. This entire journey has been emotional for me because I am essentially getting an unofficial replacement for Chloe, who was my heart and my soul. I never want to contribute to another persons troubles or be responsible for hurting them. I do not like confrontation, it stresses me out and upsets me. I hope we can all learn to work together, ask for help when we are struggling and support one another when we need it. We never know what the other person might be going through and we should all hope that if we are ever in a less than perfect situation there is someone who can believe in us. Thanks guys.



Hope I wish I had pups now, just so I could give you one! You are with no doubt in my mind the type of person all Mastiffs deserve to have in their lives.....I hope the right baby comes along for you very soon and brings love to your heart again and a smile on your face

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I hope you will continue to look for a puppy.  You'd be a wonderful mastiff guardian.

I lost my girl in October and it broke my heart. Thankfully, I have her son. I still
mourn her passing. Her son is not her but it helps us to have him. I think a new
puppy will not "replace your girl" but will help you overcome your grief...they are
all a bit different/have their own unique personalities.

My husband keeps thinking our girl was perfect.  She was perfect for us. But he forgets the puppy stage....so be prepared!

Follow this forum and I think you'll find a breeder you feel good about...we all love
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Angie - I do not know why in the world you decided to bring me into this problem you are having, but I do not appreciate it one bit. Especially since the words you spoke about me are very untrue.

I was not getting slammed by people about breeding birds - I simply explained to them that breeding birds is not the same as dog breeding - avian husbandry is completely different from dog breeding, apples and oranges.

Having to sell all of my dogs? Where did that come from??? I sold two of my young dogs -- and that was by choice, not necessity. I still have 14 - so I guess I must have kept a few. I ocassionally sell a young adult dog/bitch - normal for any breeding program. I have never "had" to sell all of my dogs or have ever intended to - I am quite capable finacially of caring for all of my brood. You should get your facts straight before you make statements like that.

I appreciate your condolances when I burried my mother in 08, and again when I burried my husband last year, and probably when I burried a dog (my Sweet Wilamina) but I was unaware that I was having any other "situations".. Actually my life has been very good and  I consider myself quite blessed to be so happy and content.  I hope that you someday feel the same and can get some of these problems of yours ironed out. I know you have a kind heart and I know in my heart that you would never cheat anyone.    



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Just bumping this thread so the woman named "Connie" that emailed me can find this thread easily.

I got one of those......"I'll never buy a puppy from you" emails from Connie today. She is claiming I called Angie an unethical breeder. I told her to come on back to this thread and find the post where I called her an unethical breeder.

I googled Connie's email and she lives within miles of Angie.......coincidence?
I THINK NOT!



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I am praying that Hope has had some success in the return of her deposit as promised. Me? Still waiting. I have messaged Angie privately 2 days ago asking her to respond...and have received no response.

I am new to this "Mastiff World" and so I don't know a whole lot of the ins and outs or the history of the people on this board share. What I do know is that lying IS unethical. Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs lied to me. She told me Maddy was 30 days pregnant on February 14th. By my math, Maddy wasn't...and we are not talking a day or two off.

I have given Angie until Monday, April 18th. If there is not a valid check in my mail I have no other choice than to contact my lawyer, the AKC, and BBB. Although the $600 would be useful around here...the action is going to be done on principle.

I am a caring, loving, loyal woman. Labeling me as the "nasty" person was an easy way to make others question the validity of my story. I have nothing to hide. My family is heartbroken, but trying to take the positive from this....it has given us some time. We are learning more and more each day about the pup we will some day bring home....hopefully making us an even better Mastiff family <3

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I hope you & Hope get your money back as well!

These things are not uncommon in the world of breeding and it's one reason why pet shops still flourish & have ca$h & carry customers!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
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You have legal recourse that requires no attorneys, simply go down to the court and file........very cheap.

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See what you are doing to etherton  Anhgie!!!   Look at all those beautiful children  you must have crying because they dont have their puppy!!!


Do you by chance have a friend named Kazia?

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Before I got Chaos, I used to come on this board many times a day for all of the good info that was on here. The past few months, I've stayed away due to all the bashing that has been going on. Very little useful information regarding the DOGS (it is what this site was about, right???) gets shared anymore.

Now it seems as if most posts are trash talking someone, boasting, or whatever else  the "hot topic" is. Badmouthing people on the internet is sad and paethetic. If the problem is that severe, contact your better business bureau, or a lawyer. Stop airing everybody's business on the internet, we don't know who is right and who is wrong.

The end result is nothing but headaches and rambling, hurtful posts, about people most of us haven never even met in person. I don't know the story about what happened, honestly I don't really care. Whatever happened was between the people involved, not the thousands of us here on an internet chat board. Lets remember why we are on here, for these awesome creatures that brighten our lives. Instead of sitting on here trolling and bashing, step away from your computers and spend some quality time with your family, fur and/or skin.

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Most of the posts and threads on this board are very beneficial and insightful to mastiff owners and some breeders. The other part can be very hasty and nasty and spiteful, just like a national specialty..



It all goes on in the dog breeding world ~ especially between breeders, but there are those that keep their distance from threads like these for very good reasons!

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Dennis...I hope you were not addressing me in regards to "bashing." I told my story. This board's intentions as I know it are to better the breed. In the interest of the breed...breeders who do shady business should be called out on such occurances. I think it does an injustice to the breed. I didn't posts complaints about anything other than something I have first hand knowledge of. I don't show dogs, breed dogs...heck...I don't even have a dog yet! My posts were not intended to offend you, and truth be told...you could have simply chosen to not read them. I apologize if you think my intentions were wrong, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I have only been a member for a short while, and I will agree, each new thread seems to start off informative or inquisitive, but with one comment can take a turn for a heated argument. Not constructive criticisms, but sometimes real emotionally charged snarls. I will do my best to not contribute fuel to those fires ever. I am not here to make enemies. Although members disagree quite often...I believe that each is here because they love their dogs <3

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Originally Posted by CBDBsChaos
Before I got Chaos, I used to come on this board many times a day for all of the good info that was on here. The past few months, I've stayed away due to all the bashing that has been going on. Very little useful information regarding the DOGS (it is what this site was about, right???) gets shared anymore.

Now it seems as if most posts are trash talking someone, boasting, or whatever else  the "hot topic" is. Badmouthing people on the internet is sad and paethetic. If the problem is that severe, contact your better business bureau, or a lawyer. Stop airing everybody's business on the internet, we don't know who is right and who is wrong.

The end result is nothing but headaches and rambling, hurtful posts, about people most of us haven never even met in person. I don't know the story about what happened, honestly I don't really care. Whatever happened was between the people involved, not the thousands of us here on an internet chat board. Lets remember why we are on here, for these awesome creatures that brighten our lives. Instead of sitting on here trolling and bashing, step away from your computers and spend some quality time with your family, fur and/or skin.


I believe a lot of people state their issues on this forum for emotional support they get from their mentors, friends, acquaintances, etc. 

 

With tons of different opinions etc. there is bound to be debates among members.  We are not all going to agree on everything.  Because our love for our dogs we often get worked up; we are human after all. 

 

I also believe that this forum is VERY educational and if we get side tracked, so what?

 

A simple solution, don’t read the threads if you don’t like what’s going on.  

 

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Angie,
You have not responded to all my contact asking for my money back from over a year ago, I see you respond on here- I kept my mouth shut hoping you would do the right thing.......
you owe me $300 for semen deposit. I have no $$$ and no Semen, it was not a donation!

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I only have bred one litter..but I didn't take deposits until Iwas relatively sure I had something to sell.   I had people begging me to take thier money to secure a good spot.  I took deposits around five weeks of age, after they were past the real danger phase;then I just held the check in their folder until puppy pick up day; gave it back to them and they wrote a check for the whole amount on that day.

I didn't want to go spending money that wasn't mine, and then having to repay it if something happenend!!



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Be thankful you only lost 300.00 or 600.00.....Joan


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I don't mean it in a bad way to anyone that has not received there money.   I lost a heck of a lot more than that...Joan


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Why should anyone be thankful that they lost money to a thief?

If you lost more Joan, should I tell you the amounts that I have lost over the years, just to make you more thankful?

Never be thankful, just learn from the experience and hope you can prevent it in the future!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, I believe you have taken what I wrote the wrong way.   I am just saying that the amounts are a lot more easy to recover than the amounts I have lost with dealing with her myself which I did loose about three times that.   Again, I did not mean it as any derogatory or mean way....Joan


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Joan, everything is relative and $300.00 to one person may be 3X's that to another!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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True, it is in how you look at it....take care....Joan


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Bump for those that haven't received there money or an apology....Joan


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