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Just my experiences here - and not really advice at all.

I've been with at least one of these droolies for over ten years now.  The ONLY Times I've been screwed was with someone I didn't know from adam.  All the rest of the times I've gotten exactly what I wanted and knew I was getting.  Make friends and keep them close - everyone else is just SOL in my book.  Unforuntately that means you can't run right out to the mall and get yourself another lovie, and I have had to wait but I've gotten what I wanted and knew I would love before I loaded up the little darling.  Dealing with unknown people will only bring you unknown problems.  Know your breeder for years and years and then you won't have these issues.  Not an easy thing to do, I understand - they are busy and stressed out beyond belief - but then I don't make my own droolies and since I have to depend on someone else to do that - make sure you know what your buying and who your buying it from.  Makes all the difference in a happy experience and being down right pissed off before the puppy ever gets out of puppyhood.  Sooo start planning early for your next puppy - it's the only way I've found to be truly happy with my choices and results.

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   .....Joan

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. . . oh and this is advice.  And not bashing at all.  Talk to everyone that will listen if you have a complaint.  It won't necessarily help you but it will help someone else.  But you have to be very specific in your complaint because new people don't understand.  I had a 'reputable' breeder tell me the incorrect pedigree on one of my dogs.  I know where my dogs came from and their parents and grandparents and so on.  I don't have time for a know it all idiot.  If they ever once don't respond properly and can not explain why (like their kids are making them crazy with 3 teenagers in the house driving at the same time) - don't trust them and don't buy from them.  My droolies are like my kids.  I don't have time for the drama when I've got drama of my own going on.  Your looking for a friend and friends are there for you unless they have a good reason they are not there.

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Lets not forget she also went by the kennel name Lakeside Mountain..Joan

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She just posted an adult for sale on her Facebook account so hopefully those nice ladies will have their money as soon as she sells that adult mastiff.



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This is so sad, and wrong.  I feel horrible for these people.  I hope you guys get your refunds; and find your puppies soon.  Wish I could help.



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I have been contacted by another puppy buyer in our same situation with Angie Fish. Gave a deposit for a puppy that wasn't even conceived but was supposedly 30 days gestational...not only did she lie, but she is now asking for another $600 from this family. The family though they were being the difficult ones...questionaing dates and asking to see puppy pics. They have finally realized she is playing them. Angie Fish is UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Anyone who continues to defend her (which I have seen few and far between that have) has got to be dilussional themselves. Puppy buyers should not be faulted for giving other human beings the benefit of the doubt...unless put in this awful situation...I think anyone would do do the first time around. We don't know where to do our homework...or that it should be done to such an extent. We see our neighbors, families, and friends walking and playing with their shepards, labs, retrievers, and mixed breeds and think that getting a pup/dog will be just as easy for us. Ugh! So frustrating....namaste...namaste...lol!

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sorry about all the typos above...I was a frustrated typer!
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I believe Eileen Said it Best,

Instead of breeders bashing breeders I want to point out that there are proper legal avenues to follow if you feel you have been the victim of fraud.

This is exactly why we have laws and elected officials to intervene on behalf of all parties involved.

I suggest you visit the web site for the CT State Attorney and file a consumer complaint form. They can then interview the breeder and his/her attorney to determine if any fraud has been committed. >

http://www.ct.gov/ag/lib/ag/consumers/consumercomplaintform032011.pdf

Also some advice from the same CT govt office recommends filing a federal complaint >



Once you have documented that you have filed the appropriate legal papers you may also contact the AKC and ask them to investigate.



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Thanks Pallone...I have filed with the BBB and will be moving on with further actions Monday...not sure what my restrictions will be because I live in NY and she is in CT as far as working with Attorney General?

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The BBB is useless, you can file in your State and her State with the AG.

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Several years ago, a Breeder in NY sold a dog and the people out of state filed a complaint in NY against her.  She received a letter from the AG office and asked for an explanation--they do this and you must answer........then she had to supply all documentation to the AG office.  They looked at both sides of the story and made a decision.  If they had not agreed with the Breeder and her documentation, they have the authority to pursue this in many ways.  I can guarantee you, no one is going to defy the AG of their State.  They are powerful and will not be ignored.  The BBB can Not get your money back for you.  Maybe they put a blur in a file--but few people rely on the BBB to make a decision on buying a dog so useless.  Jail time on the other hand is a deterrent to most.

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Thieves have the system figured out fairly well, so you should pursue this ASAP with legal, if you so wish, but unless you're willing to risk throwing good money after bad, your best bet might be to just walk away!

Very sad, but perhaps future lessons may be learned from your loss.

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44 cents is not too much to loose
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Or to lose!


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or to looooooooooooose if pronounced with feeling

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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That is such a post impressionist view point

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Just like you two to stoop really low and get off trec!


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It's a post of a post impressionist!

Toulouse (to looooooooose) due to his stature, wore clothes that were too loose, ergo his nom de plume... Toulouse!

Actually born Jacob Finkelstein, his father ran numbers for the French mob based in Marseille. After a short apprenticeship (very short I might add) he became a bouncer at midget wrestling competitions.
After receiving a near fatal blow to the crotch, he abandoned his bouncing career to focus on painting. He started out painting houses at $5.00 per room!
He did this for a quarter century, until he met someone who would inspire him and change his life around forever. That someone was the world renowned flea circus barron, Izzy Gillespie. It was Izzy and his millions, made from his flea dung fertilizer business, that financed Toulouse so that he could follow his lifelong dream of becoming, a stilt walker!

Izzy and Toulouse were inseparable, they went everywhere until a bad case of vertigo nearly ended Izzy's life. Doctors said, that it was due to Izzy always having to look up at Toulouse walking on those 12 foot stilts that cause his condition.

Izzy never fully recovered and was eventually called Dizzy, by his very closest friends. In time, Dizzy Gillespie went his own way and rumor has it that he got into music.

One day Toulouse was attacked by a crazed man weilding a saw, which cut through the left stilt and left Toulouse with a horrible limp. It took years and dozens of doctors & specialists, until they finally figured out that by evening up the length of the right stilt, Toulouse could walk limp free once again. But alas, it was too late for Toulouse, as his limp was set for life, due to his mind becoming stilted from the experience!

He then bought some paint, a canvas, some brushes and became famous!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Hman, you rock......so lets try and keep it focused on those that lost money and maybe out of all this I will get my apology, see I said, Maybe.....Joan


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Joan,

I know you get gleeful at anyone that would take a swipe at Pallone, or myself, but sorry to tell you that Herb was just being witty.

He's using a play on words by saying stooping low & getting off trec, it is referencing the photo of Toulouse Lautrec.

Sorry to declaw you.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, don't care what you think.   Nor do I care what he was referenceing too.   The point is lets keep it to what is happening here.. No Claws, here..LOL..Joan


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You mean like your references about me on the other forum?

Caring about how people think, is a two way street Joan!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve who started the referrening to begin with??   And I don't know what you are talking about?  You are more than welcome to email me in private.  I would be more than happy to end this crap.   If your wanting a public apology which I have no idea for what but I will do it just to end this craziness....  

Steve, I apologize for whatever you think I did to have wronged you and I hope and pray you accept my heart felt apologies and I mean it....Joan

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Joan,

I would never seek an apology from someone who doesn't know why they are apologizing!

That would be meaningless to both of us!

If you wish a clean slate, I'm fine with that.


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, I am fine with that...Joan


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Joan,

I'm glad I am fine!

I'm glad you are fine!



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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Oh, Steve!!  My favorite movie of all time!!  I like to watch too.  

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A few years after Stills sold it, "Being There" was released and Stills went to see it.
 
He couldn't believe it!  His own gardener was on the screen being played by Sellers.
 
Sellers used his gardener and a model for his character, Chauncy.
 
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Though I believe the Attorney General is an excellent idea, I hope all buyers that have been harmed will also file a complete with the BBB in her area. It will come up under a search and other hopefully prevent others from falling into the same trap.


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All of your support during this mess has been greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs has been nonresponsive to our attempts at contact and continues to refuse us our deposits. Hope and I are moving diligently moving forward in our pursuit of justice. If you have been fraudulantly deceived by this breeder please message us privately. We do NOT want anyone getting accused of breeder bashing....your info will NOT be posted on this forum. The circumstances surrounding your situation, as well as, your contact information is needed. Please note, the information will be passed on to several agencies and you may be contacted to give an official statement. We thank you and look forward to someday sharing our puppy stories and pics with all of you....but for now...we need to handle this.  

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I never believed that this would come to an easy conclusion!

Sorry to see you pained by this experience!

Let's hope your trauma will serve as a light for others!

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I can/will not rest until I have taken this to every relevant agency. I am doing just that! Even if legally required to be....my deposit will probably not be returned. But its the principle of it all. Today while doing my usual research I found an ad she (ANGIE FISH/HESKA MASTIFFS) has placed on pupcity.com for puppies to be due in August????? I hope that everytime someone googles her name this thread comes up so that they can protect themselves.

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I never said that I wasnt going to return a deposit that was not mentioned in my post not once! Please do not pretend you know my finances or why I do or dont return a deposit I clearly have it written on my website and contract that deposits are not refundable in cash but they can go to any puppy from any breeding and guess what I looked at all that people on here bashing me your websites all say that damn same thing as do many breeders....it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth that I an have people not happy with me because I was not there to hold their hands I know some peopl need it more than others but I had a reason for not getting in touch I had others and myself post so everyone would know wht was happening it was not my fault and these very people come on a board with people that I do not like Teresa jumps to the chance to trash everyone and always me everytime she can then Breanne just being a very nasty bitch to me because she thought I was going to put my mastiffs into homes because I couldnt do it anymore it didnt happen of course I couldnt do it but that is not her business I recieve emails andposts with Breanne bashing me since that day! I was threatened that she was coming on here to just to damage my name but honestly I dont care bash away its just hurting herself I have the proof she was never lied to and I am not going into everything on a boad with people that I have never gotten along with ever! I havent had a litter in 3 years that was mine I have helped coowned owners find homes but I never got the profits from it same as the litter that I just lost it was not mine Maddy and Bo puppies are mine and I am very proud of the mastiffs I have produced for over 7 years now and I get 2 people on a board not happy with me and I get slammed bullshit they both broke my contract the minute they postedon this board with any issues with me I am going to be happy to find a new home for their puppies and refund them I am just glad my puppies didnt go into these homes at this point I do thank God for people to show their true colors now!! again talk amongst yourselves and have fun.......


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So nice to know that all money is being refunded in a timely fashion.

Nice to know that we can still rely upon the moral certitude of those who breed and take deposits from others in good faith!

I commend you Angie for taking full responsibility for your actions and in resolving all issues of those who you've wronged.

A bronze plaque is being made in your honor to commemorate this occasion.

Hence it will be known as the Fish memorial plaque, with hook, line & sinker engraved in bronze!

It will be awarded annually, to the most gullible of Mastiff fanciers, who reach out for guidance to those fellow fanciers, that evoke the most charm & mentor-ship, in helping the most vulnerable new enthusiasts on the scene.

Congratulations!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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        AKC Mastiff puppies due in August all colors available...I am taking reservations now,hurry and get on the list for a puppy my puppies get great homes very quickly,these puppies will have large wrinkle heads with large bone AND substance great for the show ring or your sofa!! All puppies are sold on a health guarantee contract we give you a money for obtaining a CGC or TDI, and we also offer money towards hip and elbow testing it is important to me to have all of what I produce tested!! This is a lifelong commitment and we are here for that commitment. Our dogs are our pets first,They live in our home and play with our children. We have Great Imported Lineage and Exceptional pedigrees!! All puppies are AKC Registered, Champion Bloodlines, and Health Tested. We have height with substance and wrinkle,we are breeding towards the Old English Lineage...please call Angie with any questions we love to help Newbies to the breed!! Come be a part of the family!!

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COME ON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Seriously? Wow.


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There is also an ad on PuppyFind that says puppies available now.


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Here is another one says she has puppies available now all colors
http://www.petsads.com/a_61749.html

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I would just like to add that Angie is friends with Lisa Jaycox and Gary Caruloff off Dreamquest/Orchard Hills Mastiffs.
There are a lot of similarities between these two so called breeders. Both of them took money off people and no pups were received.
They both continually promised to return peoples money, but no money was returned.
They both have had two prefixes which they changed when there bad habits start to be revealed.

You people are scum of the earth and as far as I am concerned the "breeder bashing rule" goes out the door when these so called breeders want to blatantly "rip people off"

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Dear Steve,
   I agree. I'm hoping that the attorney generals of the states they operate in step in. Meanwhile, people that are victims need to both file with the A/G AND report to the BBB in their area (to save someone else from such heartache). I do not believe for a second that telling the facts on these breeders is breeder bashing. Furthermore, anyone that protects them by saying they are "such nice people" need to stop saying these things. Not only are they allowing the scams to continue, but they are allowing their name to be equal to the offender. No matter how nice someone acts, it doesn't mean they ARE nice. Have you EVER heard of a great con person being a jerk. NO, they are usually the most personable person you've met. Actually, the terms narcissist and sociopath come to mind. Mastiff folks, we have to protect our breed and in doing that, we should not be a part of allowing these things to happen. Anyone with them on their facebook should immediately delete them. Remember, you are judged by the friends you keep

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If there is anyone that has been scammed by, Angie & Scott Fish/ Heska/ Lakeside Mountain Mastiffs, please email me @ wcmammothmastiffs@yahoo.com
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Teresa,

There has been an interaction with Angie on these threads, so it's not bashing to pursue promises made in black & white by Angie!

If I borrowed money from the rescue fund and publicly promised to return it,  and then reneged, should that also not be made public?

Should read the fine print in my contracts, shroud a breeder from public scrutiny? Especially when they themselves go public and discuss the issue with promises to return funds taken?

Should the BBB be dismantled, because it lists problem vendors of products & services?

Should someone's ongoing MO not be shared, in order to save others the same grief?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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I normally don't chime in on these but I have to say that ad left a bad taste in my mouth.  When is the last time a good reputable breeder had to use the "hurry, this deal won't last" argument to sell a quality mastiff puppy?  I would say that's one to add to future red flag lists.

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" Hurry,...Hurry, this deal won't last!!!!"

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Hi everyone!

I have been reading everyones comments on this thread and regardless of what is being said, the more comments this thread receives, the better opportunity it has to stay on the first page of this forum, which is very good.  I thank you all for showing your support and I also thank all of you who have come to us privately with your personal issues.  We have a list of people who have had issues with Heska Mastiffs and Angie Fish and they have provided evidence in the forms of documentation to back up their claims and are willing to provide their information to be added to our case.

If there is anyone else, please contact us privately.  Be aware, we are screening VERY carefully, so please don't be offended if we give you the third degree to be sure you are legit.  If you choose to give us your info and your evidence, we will include you and it will cost you nothing, except whatever it is that you have lost so far.

We have received disturbing information from government agencies that prove there is 'shady' business going on.  So for all of you who keep responding on her fb when she pulls the 'ill' card or whatever the excuse is for the week, be aware that you are just a pawn in her game.  She is manipulating you just as she manipulated us.  I don't doubt that there are medical issues there, but I'm sure if we all made a thread to air all of our families medical issues, we will find most of us, working, functioning individuals on here have something ourselves or someone close to us is affected by something.  Do we all use that for sympathy regularly or to 'deter' or 'cause a distraction' from what is really going on??  No.

For those of you who are supportive of her, do some google searches yourself.  Google Heska Mastiffs, google the owners names, both of them.  You'll find some interesting facts about the other Fish.  Also, do your homework, go on the CT State Attorney General website and try to find them as registered breeders.  In those NEW ads for puppies, do you recognize all of those dogs pictured?  You should, they are all grown up now.  No new puppy pictures.  Website?  No new ones.  Facebook?  No new ones.  If you are still buying that their are 'phone line issues' you are very gullible.  The phone number is disconnected, why....I'm sure you can figure it out.  She uses a cell phone to go onto fb, it says on her fb page that she installed the app for using the iphone for fb.  (I don't even have an iphone yet)  What I do know is that it takes seconds to click a picture with it and upload it to your fb at least.  Come one people...

I have so much information it would make your head spin.  I will not post it all here but trust me, if you are connected to her through their website or keep showing up to support her, you are being viewed in a unflattering way.  Either stop supporting a criminal OR just stop being so gullible to her plights.

I work very hard in my career, with my children, I volunteer and coach my kids teams and am also taking college courses to get another degree.  I do not have the time to spend on something that is being MADE UP or IS NOT TRUE, trust me.  Because of all of this stress and time it has been taking me to communicate with government agencies, other victims, time spent on the computer googling for more info, things in my life have suffered.  I am tired and stressed.  I need to get this thing done and over with so I can go back to focusing on the important details in my life that are just all undone because of this.  I have nothing to hide and nothing to lie about.  I am an honest and caring person and because of that, I was taken advantage of.  I will not rest until I get justice.  I am done playing games and getting no direct answers.  I keep hearing people mentioning 'breeder bashing' and I would just like to say that the definition of a breeder, to me, is someone who breeds for the betterment of the breed, who can financially support themselves and financially fund their breeding program without money from anyone else, that is healthy enough to take care of animals and puppies as well as themselves, can keep open communication with the people they are doing business with among other things.  If someone may not even be registered and cannot fit themselves into the entire definition I have provided, then they are NOT a BREEDER and are just a person committing crimes.  Is there a crime against "Criminal Bashing"?  I think not.

Also, if you, yourself have a personal issue of knowledge of something and have documentation to back it up with, then you are just telling your truth and if the other person considers it 'bashing' maybe they should re-evaluate their lifestyle.  I do not know another person on this earth who could 'bash' me with any type of legitimate backup.  That is because I am a law abiding citizen who will not, knowingly or intentionally, do something that will hurt another person.  If I do something unintentionally to another person, I will apologize and make things right.

I also see people pop up on this thread once in awhile to state how 'appalled' they are about this type of thread.  I am shocked that anyone would feel that way.  If they read the entire thing from the beginning, they would see that this thread has helped the Mastiff community.  All of us who love Mastiffs.  If this thread had never been posted, there would be more issues that would be stemming from Angie and Heska.  I considered requesting removal of this entire thread as a bargaining tool to get my deposit back.  I realize that if I take this down, no one else will be warned and may walk into to same trap alot of us have and will be sentenced to take a very upsetting journey that hurt so many people.  It has not only hurt the people you see posting up here, but their spouses and little children as well.  It has also affected others around them as well.  Yes, it is the money, but even if I never see a cent of it, I will not allow this to happen to other families.  If people cannot even pay to live in their own homes and don't have jobs and can't pay to keep their phones working, will they be able to pay me back....I seriously doubt it.  I will get my justice any way I can take it.  I am done being a sucker and will not be manipulated any longer.

I think I will get an award for being the LONGEST post on this forum after this one, but I don't post often anymore and I thought the thread needed my two cents, for whatever it is worth.

I do have some good news, but I will start a seperate thread for that.  This thread has one purpose and one purpose only.

Thank you all!!!



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If she were to reply on this board we can expect her to say these aren't her girls she is breeding........she's "helping friends". Who takes deposits for friends??? In the personal statement she sent me below in February she mentions she doesn't have any breeding females available???? So again, who takes money for friends?? Refer puppy buyers to your friends if they have puppies.

"I have never took a deposit and not have a contract that backs up that deposit.....I have been in the hospital for a month now so yes a few people did get worried but I would get worried too! I have explained where I was and what happened and they understood I dont mind them contacting others if they were scared I have nothing to hide I am a very good person and a good breeder I would never hurt someone like that I have been living in the same place since childhood so if they need to see me they know where I am...as for giving up my dogs I just went through a traumatic experience I almost lost my favorite girl I didnt know for a month if she was going to make it or not and I felt it was my fault because I bred her if she wasnt having puppies she wouldnt have torn her uterus so I lost it I literally was holding her uterus inside her because it was all falling out it was pretty traumatic after everything settled and I wasnt loosing my mind I knew I couldnt just rehome my mastiffs they are my children I still will not be breeding very often the breedings that are going on now are from my co-owned females but I help them I try to help all of my friends and mastiff family find good homes for their puppies i help as much as I can the only breeding I have done is Maddy to Bo she is my only breedable female I have retired and spayed my females I have to breed Maddy because of a contract and I would like another Bo daughter for myself and my breeding program so i wont be breeding until that puppy grows up...so I have no clue why you decided to try to bash me and I really dont care those are your issues not mine I didnt even have to tell you anything but because I am a good person and not a rude person i choose to tell you what I was going through and I have not even filled you in on my husbands declining health and my own health issues so add all of that on top of everything I think I had the right to have a lack in judgment and to loose my mind for a moment! judge me if you want there is nothing I can do about it but I have been here for 10 years taking crap slinged at me and I will continue to hold my head up high and keep producing some very nice pedigreed mastiffs"

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