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Just wanted to give Hope an "Amen Sista!"

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Great post Hope!
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Well she has publicly posted on her website she will return all deposits plus the usual whining and she has the nerve to name others on her website mine included
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Oh Lord.............................

Who does that? Who airs their person life like that on their website?

Hmmmmm Breanne, Cece, Joan, Bobbi Jo and Hope are all wrong?? I DON'T THINK SO.

Finally......she admits
"now if you look all over my website and my contract I never refund deposits in monies but they can always get a puppy from me they will never loose a puppy now I have all of these people screaming they want their deposits back I am not rich I use deposits to help care for mom and puppies so the money was already spent"

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I use deposits to help care for mom and puppies so the money was already spent




So... we're back to my question from the very beginning. Are there puppies or aren't there? She's got so much conflicting information it's astounding.



Sounds like a Ponzi scheme in the making. Here, let me take your deposit on a litter not yet born. Oops, no litter, but I'll keep your deposit to help pay for the next litter and then you can have a puppy. But now I have to take new deposits to pay for this new breeding and resulting litter, so someone else isn't going to get a puppy... and the Ponzi scheme continues.

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"but thank goodnes I found my friend and mentor Lisa and Gary."
 
In my humble opinion....enough said!!!!!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
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Tammy...that is also my question! First I thought she took our deposits for a Mama that wasn't pregnant yet. I now believe the Mama hasn't been pregnant since either. Cannot keep up with excuses and lies. She has left us with no other choice. This is certainly NOT a battle any of us wanted to be fighting (or have the time to be fighting)....but we are a VERY vigilent group and WILL follow it to the further extent possible. That's not to say we will ever see our deposits, but she will at least think twice before doing it again.


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For those that have not gotten there money back and or an apology........


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Another victim has emailed me........


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Still waiting for there money and an apology, Angie!!!

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Thank you Joan for your continued bumping of this thread. I just want you to all know that we are doing all that we can to see justice is done. We have not posted the details of it all because we don't want to post anything that could jeopordize our cases. I will tell you that there are at least 5 families that have been sold the same story about a Maddy & Bo litter to be born mid-March....as well as other complaints from past litters. These people aren't complaining about a sick puppy or missing registration papers. Like us, they gave SUBSTANTIAL amounts of money and straight up got NO PUPPY! AHHHHHHH! I could scream!!! I just don't understand? I just don't?

Trying to stay positive, here are the ways this experience has enriched my life:

My family will be getting a puppy this fall from a very respected breeder that will be there for us the moment our Mastiff adventure begins.

I found this forum...which offers a wide spectrum of information, history, experiences, and Mastiff tails (I mean tales.)

And you know what else? I made a pretty great friend. Hope is an awesome person, wife, and Mom. She has become a part of my day...we laugh, we vent about life, and we encourage one another. Thanks Hope <3

Please know that if/when this Angie Fish/Heska Mastiff mess comes to reasonable closure...I will be sure to let you know. I am still here...each and every night...reading all of your threads. Which brings me to my next question. I am admittedly inexperienced, but I have read some recent threads about breeders who fall on some hard times (either physically, emotionally, or mentally) and soon find themselves and their dogs in an unhealthy life...no one event, but a snowball effect. The stories seems to errupt at some point, and then when people look back they say "someone should have spoken up." Am I wrong in being concerned for the welfare of the dogs that she does have? I am NOT making accusations about the conditions they live in. But has anyone RECENTLY visited with the Fish family to know whether or not they still have the means (financially or physically) to care for the dogs they have? I may step on some toes here by asking....but I don't want to be a "should have spoken up" kind of girl.


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I can't give a good answer to that. If the dogs are well taken care of, then there's nothing that can be done. Who knows if things are really as bad as she says they are? Maybe all is fine and it's just a way to make extra money? BUT, if things are that bad, maybe a call to the local animal control for them to check out the condition of the dogs might be a decent thing to do. Then, you'll never feel that you ignored the plight of the dogs. If all is well, then that's great. If it's not, you might have saved the dogs....just my opinion though.


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For the many more that have been scammed by Angie and Scott Fish....aka Heska Mastiffs aka Lakeside Mountain Mastiffs...   


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Thank you, Bobbie Jo!!!  You are also a really great person.  You are a better Mommy with 3 kids and more patience than I'll ever have : )
I too, try to find the positives in every situation and with this particular situation I wasn't sure there would be any possible positives.  However, as time has gone by, I have learned many things and met many knowledgeable and kind people that I would never had the opportunity meeting, had I not fallen into such a terrible situation.
 
I would have never met all of the supportive people who have came out and posted or sent private info to me to assist me along the way.  I would not have met my new friend Bobbie Jo, who I feel I have known for so long, yet it has only been a short while and essentially know little about.  As time is going on, we are finding more to talk about, personally, than just our common unfortunate situation that we share.  I feel I will have many of you, even the ones who don't post much, just read, in my life and in my corner for life.  I met Eileen Durante from Celestial Mastiffs, who I have a ton of respect for.  She has given me some helpful Mastiff info along the way and has a bunch of gorgeous Mastiffs!  Mary Rosa has been here for me from the second I posted.  She has been so supportive and I appreciate her kindness she showed me as I was only a stranger to her.  Strangers we are no more  
 
I would love to mention each and every one of you.
 
I was told that I would receive my money returned, in full, by 6/1/11 and I have yet to see it.  I do still hope that it is on its way, but I am doubtful.
 
As you all may have saw on a separate thread I started, my family and I have gotten our puppy.  I spent quite a bit of time researching and speaking to many breeders.  There were many that I liked and would have felt lucky to have gotten a puppy from.  In one of my searches, I stumbled upon a breeder who had a litter of puppies and still had some available.  I contacted her and she got right back to me.  She spoke to me over the phone and took a lot of time answering my questions and providing me with her information.  She emailed me pictures and even took videos at my request of the girl that I had the most interest in.  I found out that the breeder was planning on coming to the Buck Show in May which my family and I planned on attending (to get our Mastiff fix).  She was bringing some of the litter mates along.  It all just felt right.  She brought my puppy along and when I walked up, I saw her and knew she was 'the one'!  It was love at first sight and she seemed just as eager to meet us.  (Now I know it is just her personality, she LOVES everyone).  If I had not went through the loss with the OTHER breeder, then I would have never found my SOUL-PUPPY!
 
I would like to thank Teresa Emerson from Stargazer Mastiffs for having her, Lexi x Stonebrook Walter, create such an amazing puppy for me and my family.  If you don't know Teresa, she is such a caring and honest person who loves her dogs and wants nothing more than to try and better our favorite breed!  We named our girl, Wednesday and call her Wendi (Teresa named her and it fit her, so we kept it).  She is now 16 weeks old!
 

 
Thank you all and one day when this other SITUATION is settled, I hope to still be here, listening and sharing with you all!!
 

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Hope I am so happy for you!!! Wendi is beautiful!!! I know we are looking forward to watching her grow up and live a spoiled life with you.
I hope you and the others will be successful in getting your money back.  

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Hope you are one of the nicest person's I ever met and I'm so happy you found Wendi through all this. Such a bright spot ,she makes everything else not matter.

Now we need loads of pictures so we can watch her grow.

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That is great. I am so happy you found a puppy, and she is lucky to have found you. Good luck with everything in the future.


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I have thought long and hard about whether or not I should post my story.  But after many months I feel I should.   My family (myself, husband and 3 children 12, 10 and 7) have also been scammed by Angie Fish of Heska Mastiffs.  We contacted Angie on 1/2/2011 to inquire about purchasing a mastiff from her.  We both thought that she was very nice.  So after thinking quite hard I sent her a deposit.  Well to make a very long story (about 6 months worth) short here we are with no puppy and out of $1200.00.   Now I don't feel that I am breeder bashing I am just stating facts.  We even went as far as driving the 2 hours to her home to pick out our puppy!!  Our kids came with us and were heartbroken to find out that there are no puppies!!  I just don't understand how anyone could do this to anyone especially children.  She knew we were taking our kids with us!!  I have given Angie many chances to make this right and so far she has chosen not to.  She was suppose to return our money to us by June 1st but as of today we have received no money.   I am thankful for Hope and Bobbie Jo.  They have been so supportive.  Hope a big THANK YOU to you for starting this thread.   


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Did you end up finding a puppy like Hope did?

Hope, things have a funny way of working out in the long run....and some of us have to pay a few extra "deposits" to the learning curve along the way....but we tend to appreciate it more when things go right.

I met my best friend because of a crazy mastiff person! LOL

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No puppy yet for us.  We are going to begin our search again soon.


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I have known Angie for a few year now. She is a protege of Lisa as you all well know. Lisa J, is a very knowledgable breeder and a good friend regardless of whatever you all think. Angie, honey you should listen, take a step back and look at whats really important. All these people aren't here for nothing. You have a good husband and beautiful children. Do your best to handle your buisness and enjoy what is truely important. At one point or another you had the intention to do the right thing, then something happend. I knew something wasn't right. I think deep inside she is a good person. BUT shit happens. Any newcomer that is looking for a pup, for goodness sake take your time. Angie is not a bad person but obviously made a lot of mistakes, in the last couple years or whatever. Only thing else I want to add is Angie, cut the shit, quite sending threating emails to people bla, bla bla.. Be proud of what you have done, and try to close on the buisness that you still have out there.
Joan quite being a IDIOT, you are starting to sound like your mentor lol. Oh also Angie maybe give some thought to the Delbeech, and owning up to your obligations.

Why am I saying all this because truely I give a damn..  have a nice weekend everyone!


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I forgot to also thank Joan for keeping this thread active and on people's radars.  She has played an instrumental role in helping others come together collectively which is the only way anything will be able to be accomplished.
 
Also wanted to thank Linda because she is a responsible board owner, she has allowed us to keep this thread up which is the ONLY reason that any of us are aware that we are NOT the only ones going through this.  People are thanking me for starting this thread and to be honest, I only started this thread to find another phone number or something like that to contact Angie.  It was not set up for what it has turned into.  I never really imagined the day I put up my first post that so many people would come out of the woodwork having the same sort of problems.  I tossed around the idea, early on, of requesting the thread be removed.  I am glad that I have not done so as I would have never been able to help other heartbroken families find a voice.  I hope in part by keeping this thread up, it has also prevented other families from the heartbreak and stress that some of us know all too well.
 
I wonder how many others who do not surf message boards and google like crazy, could be in the same situation as many of us have found ourselves?  We may never know.
 
I was promised my full deposit returned to me by June 1, 2011.  As today is June 3rd, I have yet to see it or a message or phone call explaining why it is not here.  I guess it is like the old saying goes, "The check is in the mail."  Another woman just received her money back (Yay!), unfortunately, it was returned to her first because she had a police officer in contact with Angie.  I guess that is what it will take to get my money returned.
 
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Well it's nice to hear that someone did get their money back.  Hopefully we will all see our money refunded to us.


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As long as Linda allows this to be bumped I have no problem doing so for those that were scammed and lied about......Joan


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 For those that were scammed and didn't receive there papers and lied about..


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Anthony,
    Your post would be easier to swallow as a bad thing happening to a good person, IF she had stopped advertising new litters and taking money, when no puppies were on the ground.

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You don't spend money that you haven't earned!

A deposit is not yours, until you deliver the product!

It's a temporary offer, used to show good faith on the part of the buyer.

The seller, must not spend that money, as though they have completed the contract.

Any excuses after the fact, are irrelevant!

The bottom line, is that people are out their deposits and no pups were forthcoming!

Responsibility for such actions, falls directly on the person that provided the service. If service was not delivered, then the deposits should be returned in full.

If spent, then the party that is responsible is the one that did not deliver the service!

It doesn't matter how we would like to see, or believe, the party in question.

People have been wronged by the seller and until it has been corrected, the seller wears a scarlet letter!



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Steve- a sincere thank you!

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Listen,
I do not condone any bullcrap Angie or Lisa pulled.. Read my post carefully. I said take care of your business. I don't disagree with anyone trying to recover there money. Personally, I would have already been at the door. I also would not recommend anyone seek a pup from Angie. Again, all these people aren't here for nothing. Take care of your BUSINESS!
I don't give a damn what Joan has to say or anyone else, Lisa mentored me and she gave me a lot of good info. I had one of my foundation bitches out of her male, wouldn't have changed a thing. Most of you ought to wish you has half the knowledge she does. Masafari, I emailed you several times you ignored everyone of them. I again don't condone that whole situation, but you had many opportunities to recoup your loses. Answer your emails, maybe things will happen..
Joan if I gave a damn about your program I might spend some more time writing about you, but I don't so, whatever, just white noise to me. 
Steve, I respect you, so I will just say everyone has there opinion..

Good Evening

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Hi Anthony, I have never received an email from you, I have recently opened a facebook account and when you put a friend notification on there I confirmed you as a friend. To my knowledge that is our only correspondence to date.

My email address is steve.masafari@gmail.com and I can assure I will reply.

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Anthony, your the one that singled me out... and what is this other crap your talking????  Like I care what you think or say.......grow up....Joan



Thank you, Steve Oifer!!!  Shock right!!!...Joan

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Anthony, let's take this to the appropriate thread.
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Anthony, I have absolutely nothing against you at all, but there's something I wanted to say that might make you see why you are lumping yourself in with Angie and Lisa J.

Lisa may know a tremendous amount of information about breeding Mastiffs, but she's thrown it all away by being dishonest. It's like being an accountant and making of with all the clients money. The accounting knowledge to longer mean anything to anyone because they are now a proven crook.  Same with Angie. One thing you need to realize is that by even slightly giving her support by defending her knowledge makes people thing you are sending a double message. On one hand, GEE, she knows so much and is so great, but on the other hand, she's a crook. It confuses people and make them wonder about your judgement. I just wanted to say that so that you realize that by taking up for her in any way lumps you into her catagory and I don't think you need or deserve that....

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 For Masafari, Uta, Sunshinemtn and all the others that didn't get there money or papers....


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 For all those that have been scammed and lied about....


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