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Joan is a Dog Broker and a Mastiffs Broker..........known for years as one and pegged for sure now.



That explains why all of the legislature that protects the dogs pisses her off.

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H..you are assuming Pallone has stated the facts, but I've seen she doesn't always stick to the facts. Don't brand someone based on her word alone.


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Joan was asked 3 times Teresa and not one time has she said No.......ask around........Joan is a Broker we all know it.......we all call her that.........read what she has answered each time........if I asked if you were a Broker.......would I need to ask more than once for a NO?????????

You need to check out these people.......people have told you over and over about them...............we all are not lying..........you need to get some people around you that really tell you the truth.........and many many have said you are hanging with the wrong people.  We know what she is.  Take your blinders off.........I am am mean bitch as you like to call me..........but I do not lie and that is why people find out the truth on shit........Joan and Don and Angie Fish and Lisa..........ALL have worked together and don mentored them all........they all screwed each other.......all worthless to anyone in Mastiffs because they try to harm.........each one of them has scammed and lied and taken money from people on pups that never went anywhere.......they have cheated people on paperwork, they have done it all and sooooooo many times no one wants to be near any of them........this is not new......You are.  How can you be this stupid Teresa, and just pissed off at me.........everyone has told you about these people.  There are too many that have told you to be wrong.  Never let your need to be praised and told how wonderful you are compared to everyone else get in the way of good sense around a con......he excels in your weakness.


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Pallone, I have never once asked you your business nor do I care but for some ungodly reason you believe you have the right to ask me mine and then some that has nothing to do with me and someone elses!   I am not a broker so sorry to disappoint you.....LOL! 

H, I never doubted your intelligence...

Now can we get back to the real reason this thread is up???

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Definition of a puppy broker............

http://ezinearticles.com/?Puppy-Broker:-A-Puppy-Mill-Reseller&id=327789

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5. I will not knowingly sell or provide a Mastiff for resale, gift or prize or to a broker/agent for resale. I will not engage in the brokering of puppies, (selling or buying), EXCEPT in a case that would prevent a potential rescue situation. ALL SUCH CASES MUST be documented by letter to the MCOA Recording Secretary.

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Just so that everyone is clear on the parameters & definitions regarding brokers of dogs.

So no ambiguity, regarding terminology between accuser & accused!


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" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, thanks for the links but I doubt Pallone understands the meanings as I am sure she will come back with more BS.....


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Answer the question as I asked it

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.


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H, you are helping a KNOWN Bully, Bully... Ever hear of internet bullying???

Pallone, I am not going anywhere so get over it. We all know YOU ARE very good friends with Lisa Jaycox and Angie Fish and they are crying because there sales went down the tubes and they can't sell anything because of this two threads so the reason for coming after me and teresa. Teresa, only because she spoke up on my behalf.... Actually, you were there mentor and as far as I know you still are.......... so ask all the stupid questions you want I don't care.......LOL


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I have Never been good friends with Angie or Lisa........I do not like either or dislike either......I have never mentored either one.......I have spoken to Lisa one time by email when she sent horse info to bring down milk on bitches to me-- I have spoken to her one time when she called to appologise to me for Angie emailing me on an issue I had no idea about.  Lisa has never been ugly to me, but we have no relationship and I believe that was 4 years ago.

I have had the same issue that everyone else has had with Angie with her sending a strange email & complaining I said something I didn't.........then I have emailed Angie back and each time I have said......Angie stay out of people's business and stop forwarding me their emails and stop thinking I am talking about you--I don't know you and I don't know your dogs..........and a year ago when she emailed me-- I said get out of dogs and take care of your family........we have no relationship at all except she thanked me for being kind and honest with her on what she should do with her life........but never followed.

So No Joan you are wrong on everything and I only had to be asked once.......where you still will not answer this question:

Answer the question as I asked it

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.


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Oh Pallone, you can write all the lies you want and some will believe you and some will see this for what it is.  I still dont care!!!   I am not going away.....


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I don't have to lie Joan.........I do not associate with those two.....never have and believe and have stated on this board Angie has cheated many people and I knew Lisa had on Steve P and felt even worse about her when I found out she had cheated more than SteveP.........and I helped SteveP when he 1st told me even on this board.......so there you go Joan and the world

Answer the question as I asked it for the 5th time I have asked you:

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.



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Pallone, I have said all I need to say.  I am willing to let people make up there own minds...  BUMP!!!


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Yes Joan let's let them make up their own minds

Answer the question as I asked it for the 6th time I have asked you:

I also want to know if you Joan are a Broker for Don Motz????????  You both said you got all of his dogs when he said he retired so GH could not come after the dogs........yet his 35 plus Mastiffs are still there we are all told.......so I expect you would not lie as a good Christian that you proclaim to be........Are you brokering his Mastiffs to avoid the law knowing he is selling pups........or is he still selling pups??????..........being a Broker does not always mean you get paid.

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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish....

I see you know how to count Pallone. Lets try addition shall we....

1 (Anthony) also tried to stop these threads recently + 1 (Pallone also trying) = 2 that are both good friends. And also 2 (Anthony, Pallone) + 2 (Lisa, Angie) = 4 (Anthony, Pallone, Lisa and Angie) All 4 are good friends.....See the connections!!!


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Joan,

In order to shut Pallone up, can you just tell us all what your relationship is with Don & his dogs?

Do you sell dogs for Don as a broker, or have a partnership with him as co-owner?

Just tell it like it is, so Pallone can stop with the interrogation!





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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve, I am NOT a broker as I have already said that before.   I do not sell dogs for Don, never have.    I co-own dogs with MY Daughter.   All can be verified by AKC....   I have never denied Don and our relationship as good friends and I have never denied his dogs are my Foundation for breeding stock....

Is that clear enough???  

As if, I needed to answer anything coming from someone like her!

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Joan, all the speaking to Anthony has been on this board or The Mastiff Grandeur Board and around 6 years ago when he called me about dogs when he lived in El Paso I believe.  So No Joan Anthony is not a Friend of mine......Nice guy it appears and friends with others that speak nicely of him.......but we are not close, we have no business together nor dogs. 
 
I did not see Anthony trying to stop anything, I have supported you--Joan each time I posted on Lisa and Angie cheating people and how wrong it is........In fact Steve P called me from Oz........and I even said Wow I never knew Uta is owed money also........and he said a man in Canada also.......so I have no issue with people knowing to stay away from people that lie and cheat people out of money and Steve P will tell you I have always supported him in his issue to get the money owed him .............I just include Don Motz and MillCreek Mastiffs since he does the same and owes Grienier Hall over $100,000.00 from the law suit he lost to them.
 
I do NOT want this thread stopped........I want it to continue.......I want it every where on the Internet, that is why I change up some words here and there so it goes more places, so everyone can see who to stay away from when looking for Mastiffs or any other kind of dogs they get into or if they change their Kennel Names.  I am actually helping you or stopping them from having a good name in Mastiffs.

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Why do you have his Kennel Name everywhere on your signature line?

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Bobbi Jo- I only come to this thread to get an update on your situation. Unfortunately I read 3 pages of backstabbing and still don't have an answer! Have you or any of the other good folks recieved refunds or anything from Miss Fish? Is your lawsuit still moving forward? I wish you and your family well.

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Joan why is this on your Web page??????????

"Mammoth Mastiffs and Mill Creek Mastiffs, merged on April 15, 2008"--You must be real good friends




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Oh Pallone, really??????? Then why have you not started your own thread.??? Do you not see the heading of these two threads???? You don't seem to have a problem posting!!! I still say vendetta/agenda because of your friendship with them and especially me since I am friends with Don....


 


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Joan why is this on your Web page??????????

"Mammoth Mastiffs and Mill Creek Mastiffs, merged on April 15, 2008"--You must be real good friends

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Joan why is this on your Web page??????????

"Mammoth Mastiffs and Mill Creek Mastiffs, merged on April 15, 2008"--You must be real good friends

Normally I stay out of this kind of thread but geez Louise, seriously, I don't see how this is anybody's business but Joan'S and Don'S.  We ALL KNOW they are good friends.  In the grand scheme of life, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??????  Who CARES why it's there!!!!??????
 
I mean good Lord, MOVE ON and discuss things worth discussing!!!! 
 
Us newbies are here to LEARN NOT be reminded of grade school squabbling as to he said/she said crap.  Good God, enought already!!!
 
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I never get in these heated discussions, but I am going to say exactly what I know, and feel on a few different things that have been brought up on this thread.
 
To whom ever started this thread, and whoever is involved with the "real reason" this thread was started, please except my apologies in advance. I mean absolutely NO harm to any of you.
 

Written by Joan Brown of Mammoth/MillCreek Mastiffs.

1 (Anthony) also tried to stop these threads recently + 1 (Pallone also trying) = 2 that are both good friends. And also 2 (Anthony, Pallone) + 2 (Lisa, Angie) = 4 (Anthony, Pallone, Lisa and Angie) All 4 are good friends.....See the connections!!!
 
Anthony, a VERY good friend, and mentor to me, is in no way, involved with Angie or Deborah. (FACT)
 
Leave him the hell out of this Joan. (STATEMENT)
 
Why in the world would you even make false statements (in and equation format) about something you know absolutely NOTHING about? (QUESTION)
 
Anthony has a wonderful reputation in the Mastiff Community, and I know of many "respected breeders" that can vouch for that. (FACT)
Yes, I am here to defend "my friend". (FACT)
 
Do you have a problem with that? (QUESTION)
 
YOU, Joan Brown, are NOT a respected breeder in my book.
I don’t even consider you a breeder. (OPINION)
 
A "breeder" breeds, and breeds for themselves. They put what they don’t keep (as breeding stock) out to wonderful homes. (FACT)
 
Instead of doing that, you hoard them all, and put the most ridiculous stipulations on your "perspective" puppy people. (FACT)
 
I have been to your website, the other day actually, (ooohhhh, Don is going to love that one, since you apparently have some secret software that lets you know who visits your site and how often?) and I thought...what in the world? (FACT)
 
This animal activist has the nerve to post on the front page of her website that she had to put all of her "retired" stock out to homes, so that they do not get put down? (QUESTION)
 
Seriously? (QUESTION)
 
Don't you mean, make room for ALL of the dogs you kept from a previous litter that you have hoarded (for what reason, I will never get), so that no one can have the infamous, ever elusive, perfect DOG semen? (QUESTION)
 
Is there some stock options out there that I am un-aware of regarding this proclaimed invaluable stock? (QUESTION)
 
If anyone deserves the credit for YOUR program, it is the famous Don Motz. Hell, he turned the majority of his stock and business rights over to you. All he has to do, is sit back and dictate to you how to breed. (FACT)
 
Damn shame, it really is a challenge and experience to learn how to do that yourself. (FACT)
 
C'mon, let some of those dogs go to good, loving pet homes, so they can get the love they deserve. (RECOMMENDATION)
 
You can even do something they call "co-own". (FACT)
 
Did you know that? (QUESTION)
 
You probably do, but will never see through your "taught paranoia". (FACT/OBSERVATION)
 
I, myself, would put a HALT to my program, until my "retired dogs" made their way onto the streets of gold. (FACT)
 
OH, and before the "famous" Don Motz starts a thread regarding the DRF community having "alot of brindle's every where". (PREVIOUS OBSERVATION OF A FACT)
 
I think I should state, for the record, that I have had several LARGE litters and I kept the best females on my property for potential, future breeding stock. I co-own all males from previous breeding's. All, except one! Therefore, I have (2) male mastiffs on my property and some really pretty brindle girls
(FACT)
 
Get off you animal rights band wagon. (RECOMMENDATION)
 
I have a WONDERFUL idea.  (IDEA)
 
Why don’t you and Don start your own "mastiff forum", so that you guys can bash all the breeders out there? )FACT)
 
Hell, call it DRF drama board. (RECOMMENDATION)
 
It can be an exclusive board to only you two.
 
I mean Mammoth/MillCreek does have the most outstanding breeding stock in the whole wide world. Is that not the message you are sending, or proclaim to have? (QUESTION)
 
Seriously, give Mark some credit for Kong. HE is the owner of the dog that "corrected" Mill Creek Mastiffs program. (FACT)
 
Or, at least from the "looks of things", that is what he states. (OBVIOUS OPINION)
 
Guilty by association? (QUESTION)
 
I do not agree with this cliché at all. (OPINION)
 
If that is the case....Joan, you have more guilt than anyone I know in mastiff world. (OPINION)
 
If I were Linda, I would kick your nuisance ass so far off this board, no one would ever see you, except to Google you as a "DOG BROKER" and animal rights activist! (RECOMMENDATION)
 

(No offense Linda, I think you know where I'm coming from).

 

Quit hoarding dogs, read the standard, educate YOURSELF, and for goodness sakes, get off the Internet! (RECOMMENDATION)

 
"If anyone knows of ANY Mill Creek" dogs that have ever tested positive for Cystinuria, please contact Joan Brown immediately!!!!" (STATED BY JOAN BROWN, PUBLICLY)
 
Hell, I have some Mill Creek, and "if" there is  C+ dogs bred by Millcreek/Mammoth Mastiffs, you will NOT be the one I contact. (FACT)
 
FACT = FACT
QUESTION = QUESTION
RECOMMENDATION = RECOMMENDATION
OPINION = OPINION
STATEMENT = STATEMENT
IDEA = IDEA
 
Now, Joan, how is that equation for you? (QUESTION)
 
For my friends and acquaintances on this thread, please except my sincere apologies for writing the above. It has been a long time coming. This was written in defense of my friend Anthony. (FACT)
 
As far as the part about Joan Brown (Mammoth/MillCreek Mastiffs), well, it is what it is!! (FACT)
 
Now, BUMP!!!!
BUMP for JOAN BROWN!!!!

 

 


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Thank you Bud and Dawn for checking in on us (their are several familes involved). Things are moving forward for us. I am driving to the airport (well...riding)as I type this. We will be gone for almost a week so if I don't post don't think I disappeared. Its our 10th anniversary so we are going to Jamaica (the kids too). When we return I will touch base with our agencies to see how things are going. Our new puppy has been born and will be coming home the last week in August!!! We are so excited!!!! I have so much in my life to be thankful for I can't let Angie Fish/ Heska Mastiffs bring me down anymore. I was seriously overcome by it for a long time. I felt like a jack ass, hurt, and down right pissed. I want the justice that we all deserve and to let other ppl know to proceed with caution as I wish I had. As far as the pages of arguing....well, I'm just not built that way.When/if anything changes or develops - I may have to start a new thread so it doesn't get lost LOL!!! Sorry for any typos...these blackberries are small. Hugs to all of you and ur furbabies...I will soon have one to share stories and photos about! Talk to you all when we return MUAH!!!
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Have a nice trip, Bobbie Jo, and glad to hear things are moving forward....


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Apologies to all (well, except Joan Brown of Mammoth Mastiffs) on this thread, I have started a new one regarding this particular subject.


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Just to get the story straight and so my attorney can view it.  I spoke to Linda years ago regarding this issue and what I might and might not do on her board.  She's know and has known for years I will go over Mill Creek every time I get the chance and if she didn't want me here or to stop any direction I was going she was to stop me immediately.

Joan you have already liabled me on this board and others.  I've got it all printed.  You called me a dog thief.  Linda doesn't need to lock her board and Teresa you don't have to bother either.  My attorney has been printing them since 8:00 am CST this morning, already has them all printed.  So if anyone would like to offer an apology they can not prove in a court of law in the great State of Texas you'd better start typing them out.  I am not a dog thief! and would like it publically posted on this board unless you can prove it or my attorney can start to play wack a mole with your money and well being of your dogs and family, Joan?  Teresa?
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Denny, I never called you a thief?  I was trying to get you to understand where I was coming from with AKC and if that is wrong, I again, apologize.   If that is how you took it, then I sincerely and publicly apologize and I never intentionally meant you any harm....  I will not bring this up ever again....


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What in the world do I have to do with this thread Denny? What question is posed to me? I have nothing to do with you, your dogs, Don's dogs or Joan's dogs? I've never said anything but you are a great owner and love your dogs very much...I've patiently answered all your questions about my breeding decisions (which I certainly didn't owe to you since you don't have any of my dogs or any of the pedigrees involved with my dogs). So, again what the heck do I have to do with any of this? LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF YOUR SLUGFEST.


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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/ Heska Mastiffs.........  Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie Fish/Heska..

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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs.  Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie/Heska.....


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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs.  Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie/Heska.....
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Ok--let's move away from the personal agendas, PLEASE!  this whole thread has deterorated and been hijacked onto a totally different subject. PLEASE let it get back on track.
 
Bobbi Jo asked nicely--and it looks as if it has been ignored--so here is her post again folks.
 
"Deb, Joan and Denny 

With all due respect, this thread was started and has been continued in regards to Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs. I truly know nothing about the dispute, breeders, puppies, dogs, or lawsuits you are all in disagreement about. Deb- I swear to you that this mess with Angie Fish is nothing I (or any of the 12 other families) wanted to be involved in. I have told the truth and have relayed my circumstances to all of you and any new memebers of this forum in hopes of protecting someone else from going through the same. I am pleading with all of you to take the argument that you are having about another breeder to another thread. It compromises the validity of stories that were told with the intention to be productive and helpful. A reliable source says she is getting ready to breed (or help with) this summer. Which means deposits will soon be solicited. You have all been so supportive through this...and we are still here....hoping for some justice soon. Thank you.

Bobbi Jo"

 
People--is this what we want the world to see of us?  Petty childish behaviors? Name calling?
 
If that's what you want go on Jerry Springer and duke it out--but take your cat/bitch fight private or on another thread. Most of us don't want to be dragged into this mess.
 
Everyone of you who continue this crap is directly interferring with the ability of this thread to inform others. 
 
So  any of you that continue this personal mudfest It will appear to the rest of us  that it's more important to you to continue on  your little journey to no where than see that the ones who were cheated and harmed by Helska Mastiffs get any justice.
 
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."  Good advice I think.
 
Some of you owe Bobbie Jo an apology.
 
 



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Katie...I'm not sorry I spoke up when Denny pulled my name into something I had nothing to do with. I AM sorry this thread got totally off topic. Hope, Bobbie Jo and all those who have paid for a puppy and never got it, DESERVE their money back.


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Damn edit button..I didn't mean to misspell your name Catie! Just what I get for getting in a hurry.

Hope, Bobbie Jo and all those who have paid for a puppy and never got it, DESERVE their money back.


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Katie, Bobbie Jo, and all the others that were scammed, are right.   I agreed to help them anyway I could and by bumping this is helping them then I have no problem doing it.   I sincerely apologize for being dragged into it...


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To Denny, I feel I must comment on your thread stating "my attorney has been printing them since 0800 this morning." With all due respect, I call bullshit! I do not know anybody on this board and came here to learn more about Mastiffs before purchasing my first one. Several folks on this thread appear to be bullies, "pot stirrers" and not ethical breeders. I have learned tons about who I will NOT buy from. But please dont make things worse by stirring the pot and threatening folks with your lawyer fairy tales, because your feelings are hurt. I do not know a lawyer alive that would waste his/her time on a very minor (misdemeanor crime) offense! Particularily one that occurs on the internet!!! (if he is an ethical lawyer. An unethical lawyer will do anything as long as you are paying him) Do you follow me?! What agency has jurisdiction over someone who calls you a name? Texas where you live (I guess, since you put that in your post. I dont know you and have no idea where you live?) The jurisdiction where the post originated? How are you going to prove wehre the post originated? I wish you all squabbling breeders would leave this thread, and go to the one that was created for you. I come here ONLY to check on the status of the good folks who lost money to Miss Fish, to see if they ever got their money back. I must say all of you who engage in this he said / she said bologna are wrong! Its indicates to me that you all may be trying to hide flaws in your own program by attacking someone elses. I wish you all the best and hope taht your able to get these issues worked out. Just PLEASE do it honestly, theically, and somewhere else.

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P.S. It is humurous how fast some of these folks backtracked when you threaten them with the word lawyer! Unbelievable.
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This is about people that have been scammed by angie fish and lisa jaycox and NO ONE ELSE.   

Budlite, I don't care what anyone thinks of me as all this has already been hashed out many times before.   Lawyers have been brought up before!   NO ONE WINS..... 

I just think it is time to move on and to all those that were hurt from any of my actions, including Pallone, I publicly apologize to all, and hope we can ALL move on and help these people...    

    


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Thank You Joan, you have been the 1st decent one to apologize for accusing me of stuff that is not true.

I am not involved, nor have I ever been involved with Lisa or Angie.  People have told me over the years the same thing as the people on this board have told people........they paid a deposit and got no pup or their money back, so this is not new news


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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs. Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie/Heska.....
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