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How I realize Joan Brown is 'attempting' to make folks 'think' she actually cares, or is concerned about the poor folks that have suffered losses, or have not received monies back - I have to say, that it looks to me like it is just plain old meaness at this point on her part. Smily faces to me do not indicate concern.

I believe this forum has gotten its point across, and I'm certain those invloved have learned very valuable lessons.

I think by keeping this thread up and running is just adddng fuel to Joan's little fire.

Don't you think it might be time to lock it up? Just my observation on the matter.

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THough my opinion counts for nothing, here it goes. These threads, without all the extra parts, serve a very useful purpose to the Mastiff community and to those seeking justice. They also serve as fair warning to other to be cautious what they do in regards to fair and honest business transactions. That is my opinion...all the other stuff was totally off topic.


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I agree wholeheartedly with you Teresa.
 

However, it seems like it is getting way out of hand by one particular individual.
 

In 'my eyes', it looks like more of an act of 'retaliation’ against the breeder vs. ‘actually' trying to help those that have lost monies, a pet puppy, etc.

Joan publicly posted her dislikes about the said breeders', and it, to me, just looks like an act of retaliation. Which even if it is, why bump it daily, rather than locking or pinning it? This is a personal vendetta that she has and in my opinion, she is using this and other boards as a way to attack, rather than handle ‘her matter’ privately.
 

In my thread regarding Joan Brown, I was literally sarcastic with the bumpity, bump, bump thing, because it looks to me (with all of the smiley faces and grins) that bumping is some kind of joke to her.
 

As an outsider looking in, that is how it looks. jmho


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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs. Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie/Heska.....


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WOW  I have not checked this thread in a few weeks and it looks like it has been busy!!!   All I can say is that My husband and I are still waiting for Angie Fish of Heska Mastiffs to send us our refund of $1200.00.  Hopefully she will do the right thing and send everyone back their money.


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For all those that have been scammed and lied about by Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs. Please take the time to look at mastiffchat.com under Angie/Heska.....
 
 
               People are still waiting for there money, Angie!!!!

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Hello everyone!
 
I have been super busy lately and have not been on the forum too much and have not had time to update everyone.  This issue still has not been resolved and I do have regular communication with many other families that are in the same boat that I am.  I have told my story here and in doing so, I have had many others who are in similar situations as I am, contact me.  It is sad that this is a 'chronic' problem with this particular breeder, however, it is nice to feel that I am not alone in my battle.  I have found much support here on this forum and with this thread and I appreciate all of the information, advice and support you all have offered. 
 
With that being said, I am a pet owner, not a breeder and I am super happy that is my position here.  I do not know what the entire situation is with many of you and it is not my business to pry.  I do not know enough about anyone else's situation but my own, so I don't want to comment on any of it.  I do not know anyone here personally nor have I done any business with any of you to be able to judge on that level.  I do not know Joan personally either.  I have not recruited her to fight my battle with me or for me.  I am not naive to think that she just came on here to support my cause.  I do realize that she has her own issues with Angie and by supporting this thread, she has personal motives.  I have to say that I don't mind at all, her continuously bumping the thread.  The way I see it is that by her doing this it has been keeping this thread alive.  It has been keeping it current and on the first page of the forum.  In keeping this thread current, many people have seen it and it may have helped some unsuspecting prospective families NOT get into a similar situation as many of us have found ourselves.  In keeping this current, it has allowed many others to be able to 'come together' to support one another and seek justice.  If Joan hadn't been bumping this thread, it would have been lost 15 pages into the WMF for no one to see.  So, in Joan's defense, for whatever has motivated her, I thank her.
 
Also, as most of you already know, I have found my puppy from a wonderful breeder who I love and would recommend her to ANYONE, without a second thought.  I think of her as family and we have a group that all of the puppy families communicate regularly with info, stories and pictures.  We also communicate with the owners of the grandparents and great-grandparents of the puppies as well.  I could not have imagined this to be any better and I know without a doubt that I found the right fit for me and my family.  I feel extremely blessed and fortunate to have found Teresa Emerson, Stargazer Mastiffs, and my now amazing group of extended family.  If you don't know Teresa or if you have not seen her dogs or puppies from this litter, look her up.
 
So, to answer the question if Joan is my 'puppy broker'...That answer is no.  I do not know anything about Joan's breeding program, nor had she at any point attempt to sell me a puppy, even when she had to see how vulnerable I was and how badly I ached for a new Mastiff puppy.  I would have to imagine if she was a 'puppy broker' she would have swooped in and tried to sell me a puppy.  That is all that I know about Joan.  I am not on this forum to criticize nor defend anyone that I do not know.  I can just say my opinion and what I know for facts or my own personal experiences, that is why, with the few posts that I have put up, I only speak about my situation with Angie.
 
I don't think this thread is a generic thread for everyone and anyone to air their issues with multiple breeders or what ever else.  We can put one of them up on the forum, I have no problem with that.  I just don't want to take away from what this particular thread was set up to be about.  On the opposite side of that coin...all of your posts (even the ones that are silly, off topic or about other breeders), just like Joan's bumps, contribute to keeping this thread up and alive.  So, I cannot say for sure how I feel.  I do see some connections between breeders and if that 'helps' my situation or my case here on this thread, that's fine.  However, by 'calling out' Joan on here, could be seen as 'discounting' my case/issues with Angie.  I'm sure none of you would intend to do that.
 
I believe that Linda is a fair person who sees the 'value' of this thread.  I would hate to see her remove it due to the 'spats' between some of you.  If there was a way to keep this thread on the first page without all of the bumps and views, that would work for me.  I just do not know enough about message boards to know if there are other options.
 
I am sorry this is quite 'wordy', but after I realized how many pages were added since I last was on here and then read them all...I had to think about what I was going to post.  I am not here to offend or upset anyone.  I am not here to make enemies either.  I am here first and foremost for myself and my family and secondly, for all of the others who have found me through this thread.  If I come out of all of this with a few new friends, that is alright by me.
 
Now for the good news...My girl Wednesday will be 6 months old on the 7th (already)!  She is growing right before our eyes.  She is still a little thin for her body.  At the end of May, she 'cleaned' a slightly greasy grill grate and got an upset tummy which led us to almost a month of recovery from it.  Last week we weighed her (@5 1/2 months old) and she is 81lbs!  Like I said, she could use at least another 5-10 lbs on her to fill out more.  She is very big boned and will grow to be a rather large female.  My last Mastiff was 82 lbs @ 8 months old, so I gage Wendi to be pretty big.  The entire litter is huge.  Lexi and Walter had 11 brindle pups in this litter.  I think Wendi weighs the least at this point.  Some of the boys are over 100 lbs already and stunning!  I will continue to post pictures of her but the pictures do not do her enough justice.
 
Thank you all again for your support and advice.  I hope to share more good news in the near future.  Angie has contacted me recently and told me that I would be paid 8/1/11.  Since I was already promised to be paid 6/1/11 and have not, I will be surprised to actually have my money back in my hand after the 5 1/2 month 'loan'.  I will keep you posted, but better yet, I will keep you posted on my lovie girl Wendi.
 
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Hi Hope, I am very glad that you found a reputable breeder, and a wonderful puppy for you and your family to enjoy for a very long time.

I think this particular thread could maybe be pinned and remain on the front page of this forum, without the constant bumping by Ms. Brown. How I realize you think she has good intentions, I know otherwise and it is, in fact, a personal vendetta.

So, I have to agree to disagree with you regarding the constant bumping of this thread. I believe the same could be accomplished by just simply pinning it on the top, like the other important topics.

Just my perspective on the matter, and personal opinion.

Again, congratulations on your new addition

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Hi Trisha

I know I was wordy with my post, but I think you may have slightly misunderstood.  I believe that Joan bumps the thread, first and foremost, for her own interest/vendetta.  I know that she is not doing it for me.  I don't know her to defend or criticize her about whatever situation(s) have caused such upset in the Mastiff community.  I am in no way saying that I support anything but my own cause.  So, essentially, I agree that her involvement with this thread is personal.

I also mentioned that this is my first and pretty much only real involvement on a message board and am unaware how they work.  I have never heard of something being pinned or whatever.  I did mention to Linda awhile back that I appreciated her keeping this thread up for the good of the cause.  I told her that I really think it to be important to stay on the first page of the forum.  Can you still post on a thread that is pinned?  If so, how do you go about getting one pinned?  I am also unaware on the etiquette of 'bumping'.  There needs to be a 'how to for dummies' (newbies, like me) with the rules of message boards.  Thank you for the info as I am not savvy in this stuff   I do agree that less posts on the thread unless they are informative, the better.  For some new people reading this thread, it can get quite confusing and people may lose interest in getting the entire story or point that this thread could be providing.

Thanks for the congratulations!  And I am sorry to see whatever kind of upsetting issues you have had/are having with Joan or other Mastiff breeders.  There seems to be alot of underhanded, deceitful things that go on between many Mastiff breeders.  I'm sure this kind of thing goes on with breeders of all breeds, not just Mastiffs.  I guess since I don't frequent message boards, I am just unaware of all of this.  Reading too much of this stuff gets to me sometimes, so I need breaks from the forum, the anger and negativity starts to bring me down.  Life is stressful enough, ya know what I mean.

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Hi Hope- You owe me no explanation whatsoever
I am just absolutely thrilled that you and your family have finally gotten the baby of your dreams. I assure you, once you own one of these gentle giants, it will be hard to ever consider having a different breed. I always say, once you go mastiff, you never go back. Granted, they are not for everyone. They do have their somewhat nasty little habits (drooling, etc.). But, as you know by now....'drool is cool'.

When a thread is pinned it remains on the front page of the forum. It is put up at the top with the other threads of interest. Folks can certainly post on it for ever and ever also. Unless for some reason it is locked.

I know Linda likes for folks to be able to read things of interest, and supports the betterment of the breed, and does not tolerate nonsense.

I am glad that you have observed the same thing that I have, and that is the constant bumping of a thread for no reason other than spite. This has put a bad taste in my mouth, because, it is an obvious personal vendetta.

I have had my own personal experiences with this woman and she is not one to try and resolve things in a private fashion. Therefore, my only option was to expose what I do know about her publicly. Also, it is important to me for folks to know that the only reason I chose to do so, was because she spoke down about my dogs on another board. To the extent of questioning the parentage of my dog. After, I showed proof (which, I shouldn't have had too), her good friend apologized publicly for the false accusations.
  
Please refer to her post today: "As for someone saying publicly that she has tried every way possible to resolve an issue, is false".
 
THIS STATEMENT IS FALSE! Straight up false". However, she is quite selective about her hearing and reading.

"I have publicly posted months ago to this very person to never call me, email me or harass me and what does she continue to do???"  
 
I have not called her since she asked me not too, nor have I emailed her after she asked me not too. The only purpose of me contacting her privately in the past, was to ask her to to put a halt to the false accusations she was making. I even asked the board owner to please put a stop to it, and she did. The thread was eventually locked or removed.

Harassment? I do not harass Ms. Brown, I have simply publicly asked some questions directed to her, and made some observations and opinions. If this is considered harassment, then I think she should google the word!

You can find this information on the thread titled "Mammoth/MillCreek...questions and observations".

Her only come back is smiley faces and "i'm not going anywhere". If she has 'no skeletons in her closet", then why not answer the questions I have asked? Red Flag...in my opinion.

Mark my word, this thread will be bumped AGAIN and AGAIN, with smiley faces and the looks of an attempt to help protect others from these breeders. Again, I think Ms. Brown needs to man up, and answer the questions that have been asked by me. That should certainly 'clear the air'.

Well, I hope I have given you a good explanation as to 'why', I feel the way I do about bumping the said threads. It is out of spite and being done in what I consider a retaliating manner...jmho

So, in closing, I just wanted to explain 'why' I have posted, what I have posted regarding her. Again, they were questions and observations and to date, the questions have yet to be answered.

 
Ms. Brown, I am not going anywhere either.
Please, just simply answer what has been asked.



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I am also one of the families that is involved in this mess with Angie Fish.  She has $1200.00 of mine and we have nothing in return.  I also do not know Joan but appreciate what she does by bumping this thread.  The pain that Angie has caused my husband and I AND our 3 children is very bad.  Like I posted before she even had us drive 2 hours to her home thinking we were picking out our puppy!!  I have been going through this since Jan. 13th of this year.  She signed a note stating that we would have our full refund on 6/1/2011 but we still have not received it.  So Thank You Joan for keeping this thread alive.  I would not want anyone else to be hurt by her like this!!  It's just not right what she (Angie)  has done to so many families!!


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We were supposed to receive our refund of $600 on July 1st. Tomorrow is August 1st and no money, contact, or explaination from her. Today I came home to a message that her website was no longer available...and indeed that is true. Not sure if it was by choice or if the Attorney General had it shut down. Glad to see she is no longer advertising this way...but leaves me concerned of a Kennel name change?

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Update
 
Angie promised to send me my money back on 6/1/11.  Never received it.
 
I finally got an email back from her 7/22/11 and at that time, she promised that I would get my money back 8/1/11.  Not a surprise, but NO money...
 
Just about that same time, her website has been taken down.  Ironic?
 
 
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UPDATE: http://www.rep-am.com/art/frontpage/front.pdf She was finally arrested!

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SO glad that justice is finally being served. Kudos to Joan for keeping up the push. Full article at top of page at http://www.mastiffchat.com. (last page of Angie Fish/Heska Mastiffs thread).


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Mastiff lovers claim they were stiffed

Woman accused of bilking people who paid for pups



BY ALIA MALIK


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NAUGATUCK — It started with puppy love and ended with broken hearts.

Over the past two years, as­piring puppy owners have paid 36-year-old Angie Fish for little
mastiffs that never arrived, lo­cal and state authorities say.

Fish, who claims the address 11½ Mulberry St., lives with her husband, Scott Fish, in a trailer at the end of a long grav­el road near where Mulberry
meets May Street, police said. From their trailer, they ran Heska Mastiffs, an unregis­tered business that purportedly bred and sold mastiffs.

The state Department of Con­sumer Protection is investigat­ing
seven complaints against Heska Mastiffs from in and out of the state and is expecting more, spokeswoman Claudette Carveth said. All involve puppy buyers sending Heska Mastiffs deposits, either through PayPal or wire transfer, of hundreds of dollars for puppies that never materialized, authorities said.

Borough police arrested An­gelina Fish on Monday and charged her with fourth-degree larceny based on a complaint
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they received in June from a New York woman who said she sent Fish $1,200 for a puppy that she was never given. The woman, like the other complainants, never got her deposit back, authorities say.

A day before the woman called, Capt. Jeremiah Scully, who oversees animal control in the borough, went to Fish’s trailer with a state animal control officer. The two had been notified that the state was receiving complaints of a puppy scam, Scully said.

“We made a decision to go up there and see if there were any puppies, and were they operating properly,” Scully said.

They found a black pug dog, a terrier, four mastiffs, a cat and two kittens, said Ray Connors, who supervises the animal control division of the state Department of Agriculture.

The animals seemed to be in good condition, Connors said. One female mastiff appeared to have recently had a litter, and Scott Fish told officers that all 14 of her puppies had died of herpes, Connors said.

All six of the dogs were unlicensed, and none of the animals were vaccinated for rabies, earning the couple a fine exceeding $1,400, Connors said.

The attorney general’s office first received a complaint about Fish in May 2010, spokeswoman Susan Kinsman said. In that case, someone from Maryland paid Fish $525 for a puppy but never got it or a refund, Kinsman said. The attorney general also received complaints from New York and Connecticut residents and has forwarded them all to the Department of Consumer Protection, Kinsman said.

Fish is also associated with a business called Lakeside Mountain Mastiffs, Kinsman said.

Heska Mastiffs’ website has been disabled, and message boards are littered with posts from puppy buyers complaining that Fish has defrauded them.

A couple leaving Fish’s residence Wednesday refused to identify themselves or comment. Gerald Lantieri, 60, who lives in several trailers at 13 Mulberry St., said he has known the couple for a long time. Both have chronic diseases and were breeding puppies for money, being unable to work, Lantieri said. They no longer keep animals, he said.

“All their puppies died on them,” Lantieri said. “They don’t sell dogs no more. They got out of that business.”

Police have released Angelina Fish on a $1,500 bond. She is due Aug. 17 in Waterbury Superior Court.

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The Latest! Hope this sends a message to others that would steal puppy deposits!

http://naugatuck.patch.com/articles/new-charges-for-suspect-in-puppy-purchase-scheme
New Charges for Suspect in Alleged Puppy Purchase Scheme

Borough woman who allegedly promised Mastiff puppies to prospective online buyers, but never delivered the dogs after receiving online payments, has been arrested again on four larceny charges.

A Naugatuck woman already accused of stiffing prospective buyers out of puppy purchases has been hit again with new theft charges.

Angelina “Angie” Fish, 36, of 11 Mulberry St., turned herself in to the Naugatuck Police Department in recent days after learning she was wanted on warrants charging her with third-, fourth-, fifth- and sixth-degree larceny.

The charges stem from four separate complaints in which Fish tried to sell Mastiff puppies to prospective buyers she made contact with online, but in the end never delivered the dogs to the buyers, Naugatuck police said. Fish had sold the Mastiffs online through a now-defunct website, HeskaMastiffs.com, where she would interact with prospective buyers and arrange payments with them via PayPal or check, police said.

Police said the most expensive recent transaction came from a buyer who said she paid Fish $2,060 for a Mastiff puppy, and had put down a $412 fee to have the animal shipped, said Naugatuck police spokesman Officer Michael Favale.

The complainant said she never received the dog, and was out the $2,060 she paid Fish, Favale said. He said the complainant was able to recoup the $412 because the transaction was made through PayPal.

The three other larceny charges stem from other complainants telling police they made deposits to Fish for between $450 and $600 each, Favale said.

In total, Fish is now facing four separate larceny allegations. She was arrested in August after police said she didn’t deliver a Mastiff puppy to one buyer, who had previously paid Fish two $600 installments for the dogs.

Naugatuck police Capt. Jeremiah Scully said police had received a total of eight complaints and, as of August, were still investigating the case.

During the course of the investigation, officers went to Fish’s home, however they were unable to locate the alleged Mastiffs that Fish intended to sell. She had claimed to police the animals had died, Scully said.

The state Department of Agriculture, which oversees animal control issues in Connecticut, was reportedly involved in the case. Raymond Connors, the head state animal control officer, said there was no indication of animal cruelty in Fish’s home.

Favale said he didn’t have information on Fish’s most recent bond amount or court date, as police are still finishing the report on the case.

Follow Naugatuck Patch on Facebook and Twitter for regular updates.

Related Topics:Larceny, Naugatuck Police, and mastiff

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Anyone who has paid a deposit to Fawn River Mastiffs (Tara Smith) and has not recieved a puppy or your refunded deposit, please contact the Michigan Attorney general. They are investigating the same kind of issues that were faced by the Angie Fish victims.


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I hate when this happens - it makes it difficult for people to believe us honest breeders. I have always felt it takes a lot of trust for someone to send us a deposit and then a full price for a puppy before they receive the puppy.  Stuff like this makes it even harder for them to trust us. Shame on those dishonest people who take advantage of trusting good people like this.


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We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Why has it not been posted that I wasnt allowed to pay back or have any contact since it was put into the court system...everyone says the bad but nobody posts that I never scammed anyone and they all got their money back!!!!! I have bred for 10 years and had an issue with one person who made it much bigger than it was and made me look like I was the bad person to everyone. I am so disapointed how I was jumped on by fellow breeders when nobody even thought to ask me my story privately! Now I am asking Linda to take down any threads about myself that says I am a thief cause I proved that I was not and I paid every amount I owed it was not my fault it took longer once in my lawyers hands we had to wait until court was over.

Masafari I dont know you & when I found out u lost your puppies did I not offer you 2 FREE puppies from the same blood lines & at that time I was not even talking to Lisa I did it out of kindness and to see your post about me was sad after I tried to help u & u dont know me!

Joan this is personal why u keep posting u got caught sending an email to Don but sent it to me sayi meaning meng once you got Cottons AKC full reg papers u were gonna screw the bitch (meaning me) I still have the email!! now thats why Cotton who is stunning came back to me & lives with my friend. I sent you a huge puppy packet,toys,a harness u wanted,all shots, bed, dog bowls, dog food,leash and I paid for it all! If you keep slandering my name when I did nothing wrong I will have my lawyer read your posts...now I am asking politely that this thread or any others slandering me to please kindly delete them after they are deleted from all boards I will be gone.I have no reason to stay I will never breed another mastiff again or any breed for that matter. Thank you.

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Our of respect for the people that were scammed, the thread stays.
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We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Linda I am sorry but I never scammed anyone & I proved that in the state of CT!! ALL Monies have been returned!! It was not my fault how long it took that was out of my hands when certain persons decided to lie!! I have already proved this for some reason you think that you are Judge & Jury but you dont even know the true story. I dont want my children having anymore issues because of all of these nasty postings from people that I have always had issues with!! I am asking nicely one more time for all slander against me to be removed or sadly I will have to put it into my Lawyers hands. I really hope it doesnt have to come to that point. Thanks for your time.


I am also asking the same for the other board owners if they could please remove any posts that have my name with slander in it or I will also have to put it in my Lawyers hands. Thanks again.

To all the board owners out there that didnt put any of this on their boards & only have beautiful pictures and topics that help new owners and dont allow the drama just for ratings I applaud you!!

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Angie - there are five different people on this thread that have complaints that they were not given refunds and that you were not honest with them.  If any of them have been reimbursed they should post here that they have been reimbursed..  

The only knowledge I have of any of this is the articles that were published - I have never read anywhere that any of them were reimbursed. You might want to have your lawyers contact the newspapers to have them write some kind of retraction, since you consider this slanderous.  

I have no personal problem with you or your sales ethics, as I do not know you well enough to make any statements on my own. I do think people should be responsible for their own actions.


Naugatuck Woman Charged in Mastiff Scheme Still Under Investigation

Naugatuck police said eight other people have complained they paid borough resident Angie Fish for a mastiff puppy, but never got one.

 
 
 

A Naugatuck woman accused of stiffing a buyer out of $1,200 toward the purchase of a mastiff puppy is still being investigated by the Naugatuck Police Department for similar complaints.

Angelina Fish, 36, was taken into custody on a fourth-degree larceny charge on Aug. 8 after Naugatuck police began investigating a complaint from a New York woman regarding a faulty mastiff sale.

The woman told police she sent two $600 payments to Fish toward the purchase of the dog on June 10, however the buyer never received the puppy and never got her money back, police said.

“We have eight addition complaints of a similar nature,” said Capt. Jeremiah Scully, police spokesman who has been dealing with animal control issues in the borough.

Fish operated a business called Heska Mastiffs, Scully said, where she sold mastiffs online. The website is currently non-operational and there have been no new messages from heska Mastiffs' Twitter account since May 10.

Scully said on Thursday Naugatuck police went to Fish’s trailer home at 11 Mulberry St. in June after first receiving the complaint. Police found several animals — four adult mastiffs, two other dogs, cats and kittens — however they found no mastiff puppies, Scully said. Fish claimed to police the puppies had died, Scully said.

Neither Scully nor Raymond Connors, head animal control officer for the state, said there was any sign of animal cruelty at the home. Connors, who works under the Department of Agriculture, said his office also sent an officer to investigate with Naugatuck police.

“There was no evidence at the time to indicate animal cruelty,” Connors said.

The woman was still fined $1,400 for not having the animals vaccinated or having them licensed, Connors said.

Naugatuck police are working in conjunction with the Department of Consumer Protection, a state agency that handles commercial dealing cases. Scully said the DCP was contacted by the office of Connecticut Attorney General Gerge Jepsen, after that office got complaints alleging Fish had accepted payments and not supplied mastiff puppies as promised.

Susan Kinsman, spokesman for the attorney general, said their office recieved two complaints from Connecticut, two from New York, one from New Jersey and one from Maryland. The deposits ranged between $529 and $1,200 and the puppies were never delivered, Kinsman said.

"Only one, a Connecticut resident, received a refund," Kinsman said in an e-mail.

Scully said consumers who allegedly dealt with Fish began contacting the attorney general after discussions emerged about the issue on forums like this one on http://www.worldmastiffforum.com.

Fish was released on a $1,500 court-set cash bond and is scheduled to appear in Waterbruy Superior Court on Aug. 17.


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the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Why has it not been posted that I wasnt allowed to pay back or have any contact since it was put into the court system...everyone says the bad but nobody posts that I never scammed anyone and they all got their money back!!!!! Angie, could you tell us in your own words (since you've asked, see below) why it had to go to court in the first place, with allegedly 8 counts & warrants against you? I have bred for 10 years and had an issue with one person who made it much bigger than it was and made me look like I was the bad person to everyone. I am so disapointed how I was jumped on by fellow breeders when nobody even thought to ask me my story privately! Now I am asking Linda to take down any threads about myself that says I am a thief cause I proved that I was not and I paid every amount I owed it was not my fault it took longer once in my lawyers hands we had to wait until court was over. Did you also pay for the plaintiff's lawyers and for time spent & emotional pain, due to the delay of making your puppy buyers whole?
Forced restitution, which this appears to be (you can correct me if this is inaccurate) does not present a clear picture of total innocence, so it might be good to hear your side of this story, which might help you get what you are looking for.

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Steve please why would I answer any of your questions we have never liked each other and you are just a man who has nothing better to do with your time but to annoy people,worry about your own affair lol! I dont want to post my business on this or any board but everyone has been given their money like I always said they would. I proved my case! I dont care to prove to anyone here that I am a good person and the people who did stand behind me is all I care about not the nasty posts from breeders and people I never liked & they never liked me! Linda I was always very kind to you any time you were in need I always helped any breeders! I watched a mastiff for a breeder way longer than I was told I also helped that person move cause nobody showed up to help but did that person reach out to me nope not once! I donated my time and my money for many breeders & charities, I even spent my own time & money for a fund raiser to help a fellow friend and breeder when her family needed it! I bred for 10 years with no complaints until certain persons blew everything up on the board any even to other puppy owners. Where were fellow breeders when I needed help they all just turned on me & even a person in I called my friend backstabbed me & was reposting my private info to a very nasty person, that really hurt me! Linda I have my Lawyer taking everything into his hands on those old paper reports that I never even had a chance to be questioned and some stupid lies all cause people who are & know people in high places! Now you all can believe what you want but my Lawyer will be contacting you with my proof as for my story only my true real friends that stayed by myside know the entire truth. I will never ever breed again after what I was put threw. Oh and I wish I owned an iphone seriously why embelesh on so many stupid things. I still dont own a home phone since my phone lines still dont work I pay my bills my cell phone I have had since I was 23yrs old with the same number but If I could go back & do things different YES I would have but I did the best I could I was/ am only human. I never used my illnesses or my family members as a card to play!! Now this is my last post on here I wont answer another thing. As I have said above Linda I will have my Lawyer contact you & any other boards I have seen my name on.
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I do want to say it wasnt forced I already started to pay what I owed before this was brought into court so no it was never forced!! Read my posts in the beginning of these threads I was always intent on giving back their deposits unlike other breeders but I dont see those breeders names pinned or posts about them!! Now tell me its not personal!!
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Angie, you can speak for yourself, because I've never disliked you. We may have had differing views from time to time and if you disliked me, it's certainly your privilege to do so.

You mentioned that nobody ever heard your side of the story and so I asked a few questions, in order to afford you the opportunity to get your  perspective.

If you choose not to respond in full, that's fine with me.

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I like you Steve!
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with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.

We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
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Ms. Fish was given the following and her next court date is 10/13/14:
FISH ANGELINA MARIE1975Waterbury GA 4Awaiting Disposition/ Referred to Adult Probation10/13/2014 10:00 AMU04W-CR11-0401804-S
FISH ANGELINA MARIE1975Waterbury GA 4Awaiting Disposition/ Referred to Adult Probation10/13/2014 10:00 AMU04W-CR11-0404575-S

Accelerated Rehabilitation

The Accelerated Pretrial Rehabilitation Program (AR)* can be used by certain people charged with crimes or motor vehicle violations that are not serious, but for which there can be a sentence of imprisonment. This program may not be used by people charged with certain felonies, those who have been convicted of crimes in the past, or those who are eligible for or used certain other programs like AR in the past, such as the Family Violence Education Program or the Pretrial Drug Education Program.

Before being given AR, the defendant must notify the victim, if there is a victim, using a certain court form. The victim can give the court his or her opinion about the defendant’s application to the AR program.

If the court grants the defendant’s application for AR, the defendant is released to the custody of the Court Support Services Division (CSSD) to be supervised for up to 2 years.

If the defendant finishes the AR program successfully, the charges

 

against the defendant are dismissed by the court.

The AR program requires an application fee of $35 and a program fee of $100 although the court may decide that the defendant does not have to pay those fees. If the defendant is ordered to take part in a hate crimes program as a condition of AR, the program fee is $425.

 

 

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If the defendant finishes the AR program successfully, the charges against the defendant are dismissed by the court.



Unfortunately, all too often, the former defendant will claim that no wrong had ever been committed, since all charges were dismissed.

Technically this would be correct, but in reality, there was a trail of woe, which the state discounts at the cost to those who suffered.

It's one thing if the person who caused the grief is genuinely remorseful, quite another thing, if they become arrogant and flaunt their dismissal

as though it meant no harm was ever done to others.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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