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Everyone has experience with dog foods, good and bad. Please share your experiences here. We can all benefit from others experiences..

Also the different diets and how to feed..

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I've just started my guys on VeRus, had anyone heard of it? They also get Evangers, Green Cow Tripe and Prairie canned.


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Green beans....................nothing will eat them.

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Ive been feeding my 11 week old puppy Innova large breed puppy food. Seems to be doing fine. Stools are small and solid! This is an expensive brand of kibble, but quality ingredients!!!


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Caesar,


 


fyi:  I used to feed Innova and I don't anymore.  Watch for any side effects such as a SLOW build up of allergies ..the result can be hives, skin problems or gas.


 


 


 


 


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Good to know. What do you feed now?


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By the Way its not the Evo, which is based on the raw diet.....Very high in protien and low carbs. It is the large breed puppy feed


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Tommy,


 


I feed the Eagle Pack Holistic (orange or peach colored bag).  That food cut way down on the gas problems and NO skin issues!  I feel that it has also cut way down on my Vet. bills. 


 


IF you have a young puppy ask Linda if the protein level is OK for a dog under a year. She may suggest a Eagle Pack formula with slightly less protein levels depending on the age of your dog.


 


 


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We fed Innova for two years. We found it to be too rich for our dogs - we actually had some severe growth problems while using it.  When we switched to Eagle Pack all of the growth problems disappeared..


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representing the true mastiff standard.

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Linda,


I don't want anyone to think I have any connection to Eagle Pack.  I don't.  It's just that Eagle Pack made such an incredible difference that I will always feed it.


 


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I have been feeding Eagle Pack for several years and have loved it till recently.  My young Great Danes and Mastiff refused to eat it.....had no problems with the older ones.  I researched foods till I came up with Canidae and the young ones love it so am feeding it to the young ones.

Did Eagle Pack change the recipe?  Do you have any pros or cons on Canidae?


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Eagle pack took out lecithin because they found out it causes allergies. I use Eagle Pack Peach color bag and Cole does well on it.


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JMO but I would NOT feed the Duck Formula.  Eagle Pack uses ducks that are raised on holistic farms in Europe. 


 


As you all know Europe has a problem with bird flu.  It may not affect the ducks Eagle Pack uses..but why take a chance right now?


 


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So far the Innova Large Breed Puppy really has been sitting well with him. Stools are always solid and consistent. The protien content is 24 % with 366k cals compared to eagle pack holistic selects 24 % with 375 cals. If you do the math the grams are about the same. I have heard great things about the eagle pack, as well as the Innova. Should I change just to change or stick with the Innova where it has been working so far?


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Caesar, what does your breeder say to feed your puppy? 

 

Usually, if the dog is doing well on the food..you would stay with that food.  But, if months down the road you start to see problems then change over to Eagle Pack.

 

The problems we saw with Innova were puppy pyroderma (on the belly), horrible gas, skin issues including hives.  The hives were the scariest part.  Oh and  her feet got yeast between the toes.  So if you experience any of these symptoms then that would be a good time to change.

 

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Just a quick note.  Having never had any skin issues with the Danes, suddenly one of my males, a mantle, developed severe itching and redness, loss of hair.  No matter what I did, it just got worse.  Treated him homeopathically and had success, but it was only temporary.  Lowered the potency of the remedy and he improved for a longer period of time.  Then it began again.  I switched feed, you name it. 

 

Finally, I took him up to the U of Fl.  There is a wonderful veterinary acupuncturist there.  He had been working with a couple of other dogs with great success.  One had an eye problem and the other had a very severe cervical injury.  The man is spectacular, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. 

 

Lo and behold, the first thing he told me was to get him off Lamb.  It is a "hot" food.  He has treated him only once (I go again in March) and prescribed Chinese herbs and the dog immediately responded.  He has all his hair back and doesn't scratch incessently.  At first I was cooking for him, but Purina (I know) came out with a wonder natural food that is Turkey and Barley and he is doing very well on that.  The weight gain is incredible.  I have all my dogs on it except my pup.  The protein is too high for him.

 

Even the Bulldog I'm showing loves it and he is a horrible eater and needed weight.  He too, had redness between his toes and that has gone away.

 

Just thought you might be interested.

 

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Does anyone feed or have experience with Bil Jac?  I am thinking of going with this and would like to know if anyone has any experience with it.

 

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We tried several kind of foods - all of high quality.
They all had different good things and different bad things....
We started with Innova Large Breed puppy.  Really, the results were nice. Nice growth, nice coat, clean ears.... but loose stools....
Then, we switched to Eagle Pack *Holistic Select* (I have a friend who is canine nutritionnist and she only recommend their Holistic Formulas, not the regular ones) Large & Giant Breed puppy.  This food was nice too.... nice growth, nice coat, nice stools but, with time, the ears became to be not that clean.  I asked Eagle Pack if they changed something in their food but the answer was no.
Then, we went with Canidae...... ALL NICE!!!  Nice growth, nice muscle mass, nice coat, clean ears, nice small stools BUT both of the dogs did not like the taste of it and it always was a challenge to make them eat.
Now, we are on Nature's Variety and we switch them from one formula to another at each bag.  They are all the same when it comes to protein, fat, calcium & phosphorus but the meat is different depending of the formula (they offer beef, lamb, salmon, venison & chicken).  We have nice growth, nice muscle mass, nice coat, very clean ears (I even do not need to wash them), nice small stools and they like the taste of each of the formulas!!!
I think that, this one, is THE food for my babies!! Yay!
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I tried

 

BilJac  No

California Natural No

Innova No

 

Eagle Pack Holistic Yes


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I'm with you Dixie ,Eagle Pack for Cole too.

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I have an interesting post at my website on how to grade your dogfood.
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When I brought Donovan home he was on Eagle pack and all of Linda's dogs looked great so I put all of mine on holistic large and giant breed puppy kibble and holistic cans.  Everyone looks great, and their fur just shines
 
I ran out of cans a little early this time so bought some wellness 95% beef and venison cans to feed to the older dogs until I pick up my next order of eagle pack.  The can says give only as a treat, or topper.  they love it!
Anyone know anything about that product?
 
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I am on Eagle Pack holistic also, but I have a problem with them eating it dry. I have to mix with canned and it really gets expensive. Does anyone have any experience with Merrick? You can mix it with water and it makes a gravy. I have tried it and they seem to all love it but I am afraid to venture away from the Eagle Pack, Linda any suggestions? Kay

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Merrick is horribly expensive and no better than people food. try canned soup - my kids love cream of chicken or cream of mushroom. One can will make eight dogs happy - (lots of water and one can of soup). Also, canned Mackerel is very strong and goes a long way. We use Eagle Pack cans most of the time - one can and about two quarts of water. I clean out the cabinets too - they might get ravioli or tuna fish, canned string beans, etc. Never two nights the same.
 
Another trick I do - if we have chicken - or turkey - I put the carcass in the blender with lots of water (I have a Vita Mix) and make "soup" -- boy do they love that! For very fussy eaters a little liverwurst in the blender with water makes great, strong smelling gravy. (This does cause excessive flatulence!!) We are very inventive around here - also a hot dog and water for the blender..

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I really like, and my dogs like it too...BilJack, Pro Plan and Diamond foods. They by far eat the BilJack the best--dry, and it has helped with Gracie's dry skin. 
My mastiffs are kind of finicky eaters...any suggestions??? Its like they get burnt out on food by the time we get to the end of the bag...and they stop eating it And I have to go on a search for something else...its a never ending battle it seems like..so any suggestions for picky eaters would be wonderful! I already mix 1/4 can with their food just to entice them into eating...but even then they get tired of the can...

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I feed AvoDerm Naturals Chicken and brown rice. The yellow bag. Some of their foods have other grains, which I avoid. I REALLY like the poo. Very compact. And the boys are not gassy. Angus has never had better skin or ears, even on Candidae. And he LOVES his food. He can never get enough. Our setter pup loves it too.

AvoDerm Baked is more concentrated, it has more calories per cup than the Avoderm Naturals. Maybe a good option for the picky eaters who are a bit too lean? The lamb and rice baked is 480 cal/cup and the chick and rice I feed is 360 cal/cup.

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I will definantly look into it...they are not really too lean, but when they start with the finicky stuff, I am afraid they will drop weight rapidly, and then gain it back rapidly when I change their food, and I had always heard this is very unhealthy to lose/gain so quickly and keep bouncing back and forth. So that is why I think it is a constant battle, just to prevent them from the gaining/losing pattern. I would love to just find a food they enjoy and be able to stick with it...


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I have sat through the Bil-Jac reps presentation, there main thing they do is put some BJ in a cup of water and some other dog food kibble in a cup of water. The other food-being coated with fats-does not breaks apart in the water, but the BJ does, so they proclaim it is more easily digested by the dogs!! Great but what dog digests his food with water???
Anyway I tried Bil-Jac for a short while but it bothered me that it has corn in it... even though they say there special processing makes it easier to digest, I still consider it a "filler".
When I adopted my girl she was on Canidae but I wasn't impressed by the ingredient/price ratio. My dogs were on Nutro Natural choice because it had no corn/wheat/by-products and I could get it cheap but now do to the recalls I am a little wary that the company is related (be it ever so distant) to Iams/Euk/Wal-Mart and their suppliers, so I have switched to Natural Balance which I think has awesome ingredients but the price sucks . The one thing I didn't like about Nutro is that it had alot of rice in it and not so much meat. I am still looking for that perfect food that has great ingredients/good price/easy. I am curious about the Eagle pak but we don't carry it at my work so I can't get a discount when buying it.
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I found this site and find it helpful (and surprising) when comparing different foods.

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Anyone have the 411 on giving mastiff puppies puppy food...large breed, normal, etc. I have heard from multiple multiple people both ways...don't give mastiffs puppies puppy food....do give them puppy food?????? I just want to see what everyone's opinion is. I use two vets..one that makes house calls and one is a clinic. The house call vet says, large breed puppy food is not formulated for dogs who are going to be as large as mastiffs and need to be fed regular adult food, the clinic vet states that a good large breed puppy food is essential....ANY pointers or personal experience??


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I was advised to NEVER give puppy food!  It makes them grow to fast.  If you puppy grows to fast it might get something called pano. 

Try to keep the protein % low.  Around 22% to avoid Pano.  Please be sure to give treats that do NOT add to that protein level.  I give (always under your supervision) Peeled, seeded Asian Pears, frozen cut string beans, occasionally peeled/seed/RED apples cut in small chunks. For treats, try to keep them to a minimum and also don't give any acidic foods (oranges, lemons) No grapes!!
Read the label on the dog food:  No wheat or wheat byproducts, No corn products/by products. 

I buy the Eagle Pack Brand (Linda recommendation) and its great.  If you can't get Eagle Pack in your area, call your local pet food store and tell them you are going to use it and special order it.  If you live near Linda ask her and she may be able to order it for you. 

I have tried many "good brands" without success. Eagle Pack did it for us.  Avoid BilJac and anything on the recalled list.  California Natural didn't work for us either!  Innova caused problems. FYI.

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Update.

Unfortunately Natural Balance was also recalled, I thought it was interesting (or suspicious) that their website said they were unaware that there manufacturer had put the ingredient in their food, kinda scary that there could be stuff in your pet's food that isn't on the label and was added unknowingly.
Anyway, the Natural Balance gave everyone really bad gas... for a long time..worse than normal (do I have to say anymore?)
So I am really frustrated, almost everything I have purchased lately has been involved in one recall or another, very sad state of affairs. I have begun making my own dog food, which I was always interested in doing but never had the ambition to do, well now I have a reason. It is not completely raw but a semi-raw homemade food, the dogs love it of course. I researched it in the "Dog Bible" that came out this past year, plus what I have learned in my vet. tech classes. The cost of all the ingredients was exactly the same price as a large bag of dog food, so the real test will be how long the ingredients last and if the dogs do well on it.
I do have a question, I have heard some people say to supplement such diets and I have heard others say not to? Which is right and why?
(Update: After researching homemade diets for the last month, I have answered my own questions... it is overwhelming and there is sooo much info out there, if anyone is interested, the Whole Dog Journal has been running some good articles on it, I would still like to hear from anyone who is doing homemade food and what works/doesn't work for you...)

As far as feeding adult/puppy food to mastiff puppies... it is a great question that is often debated,
I was told by a 25+ yr dog trainer who had talked to a dog food company rep. the rep. said that lrg. breed pup. food was formulated to prevent overly fast growth...
however if you look at certain high quality foods, there are no "life stages" it's one food for pup-adult-senior. The thought being that if it is a high quality, all around nutritional food it should not have to be modified for different life stages.
My personal experience is that I was aware of this and did not feed puppy food but fed a high-quality adult dog food, in moderation... and my puppy got panostenitis or "wandering lameness" anyway, and she got right away. I have still not been able to get rid of it, even though I have tried the Vit. C and other recommended treatments., including cutting out walks (very sad indeed.)
So I would say to educate yourself the best you can and then make a decision based upon what you feel is right, and then modify it as needed.

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Good Morning all. I stumbled across this site while researching the appropriate diet for mastiff pups, I am waiting on my first!  I currently feed my other dogs (1 yellow lab and 2 cavalier king charles spaniels) Wellness simple solutions. I started them on this last year because one of my cav girls had intestinal issues, which I attributed to allergies, and after many different prescription diet trials, the Wellness brand seems to be the cure for her, and the other 2 love it also. They have beautiful shiny coats, plenty of energy, and maintain their weight well, so I am pleased with this brand for them. However, I am concerned that it, or any of the other wellness formulas, may not be the correct diet for a Mastiff. I have done a bit of research and find the Solid Gold brand and Eagle Pack brands the most highly recommended. Their ingredients seem almost identical to the Wellness formulas, so I am wondering if any of you have used wellness in the past or currently. I appreciate any replies and thank you for making this forum available, I am finding invaluable already.

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I have been on a couple of different foods. For a long time I was on Nutro Chicken and rice and lamb and rice switched up for excitiemt. I have a yeaty boy, so I went to Diamond Large breed formula that has no corn in it, and it wasnt part of thier recall. I only actually changed b/c the feed store had four bags in a row that were moldy/spoiled. I now feed ONE salmon and rice, and it has made a tremedous difference in the yeaty dog, and a really huge difference in Tuck with his constant bacterail infections. I also give Tuck the canned mackeral in the food, and his skin looks amzing.
I also buy 1 per week the whole rotissarie chicken from walmart, and put shredded chicken on top of the bowls, and now everyone finishes every little piece of food in thier bowls!!

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Hi Robin,

I have 10 large breed dogs, 5 Mastiffs, 2 Great Danes, Newfoundlands and Saints. 2 mastiffs  are 7 months and 4 months.
I have and am still using Eagle Large breed puppy , Eagle Large Breed, and also Canidae All Stage.  I kind of like the Canidae, because it has no corn, wheat, soy, or grain fractions, fillers or by products.  ...and seems to be absolutely wonderful for allergy dogs.
I add the canned mackerel, boil or bake  chickens, pick it off the bones and give them all topping on their kibble.
Because of all the recalls (I got caught in it  with Nutro Ultra Cans)....I am feeding several of mine a raw diet.  Now, we are not sure where that is going..if that will be continued but I am giving it a try.
There is a wealth of knowledge on this Forum and I am a Newbie, not to the dogs( had large breed for over 27 years), but to this forum.  All sorts of information....just ask and they share.
Good luck, Mastiff's wonderful.

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I have used BilJac for my Mastiff for 3 years.  He loves it.  Before that we used Science Diet.  Bil Jac is not greasy and Maxwell is extremely healthy.  We kept the calcium low at first when his bones were growing and now he is 227 lbs. at 4 years of age.  He is not fat, but is very tall.  His parents were both tall but he has outgrown them.  Bil Jac is the only food I will feed him.


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Our champion bitch had been raised on Bil-Jac frozen puppy food and we continued her on that and then Bil-Jac select.  She always had a reflux type gag, her coat was spotty and her stools were loose.  She had severe allergies in the late May to June period.  We switched her to Nature's Recipe and that seemed to help her, but she still suffered from pyoderma every few months.  I also have a brindle bitch who I had fed Nature's Recipe Adult food when she was a puppy and she developed panosteitis.  Nature's Recipe supposedly is low in protein.  Then I saw Linda's review on the Eagle Pack website and contacted her about the food.  Since last summer I have fed my four mastiffs any of the holistic foods (except the duck) and their coats have improved dramatically.  Echo's coat is beautiful and I'm watching her carefully now because for all of her four years, she has experienced severe allergies with numerous bumps all over her head this time of year.  If she doesn't experience them this year, I will be totally sold on Eagle Pack forever.  I have a male puppy who I am feeding the holistic puppy food.  For the others I usually buy the peach bag, the lamb and rice, and the anchovy and sardines.  The food is given with water.  I sometimes throw in a dollop of plain low-fat yogurt or fat-free cottage cheese.  I give Vitamin C and fish oil (anchovy and sardine oil) every day.  They are all doing great.  Pudge's pano seems to have abated.  She runs effortlessly and is now not favoring her leg.  I plan on showing her late June for the first time since she was stricken last June.  She's now 20 months old.  Wish us luck!

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Hi,

I'm new to this board, but I have posted on Mastiffs.org.  What are everyone's thoughts about Blue?  I used to feed my mastiff BilJac, but he developed allergies and always had loose stools.  When I switched to Blue (which I was told contains no animal bi-products such as beaks, intestines, feet, etc.) his stools became firm again, but him allergies didn't improve.  We're also getting a mastiff puppy in a couple of months from Qaletaqa, any suggestions for the best puppy food.  Thanks
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  I feed Black Gold Premium Dog food (Black Bag) to the growing dogs and young adults--and I feed the kennel blend (yellow bag) to my older dogs.  I also cook chicken & rice each day and add 1 to 1/1/2 cup to each dog's food daily.   I have used this feed for over 12 years--I love it.  Catie


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I have started feeding one of my boxers innova evo red meat formula because it has no grains and he has a food allergy to wheat.It only uses human grade meats and says it is a great alternative to raw diets.Look up their web site for more info.I havent fed it to my mastiff yet because of the high price(13lb. bag is $27) and its only available at one store in my area.The major stores (petco,etc...) dont carry it yet.Has anyone else heard of this food or used it with their mastiffs?

EDIT:apparently i should have reread the beginnig of this post as this brand is mentioned i didnt rememeber hearing about it.Oh well.So is the protein in this red meat formula too high for mastiffs?If it is for puppies what about an adult?
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There is LOTS of great info in this thread!  Its wonderful to see a dog food discussion that is not people ripping each others heads off (like another dog forum I am in..bleh).
 
I fed Nutro Naturals for years to my AmStaffs, they did wonderfully on it and always had a great rock hard condition.  I was not happy with it though, after having my first Mastiff on it for a couple of months.  He was struggling to stay at a healthy weight (even trying to keep him lean for proper growth) and his coat condition was awful.  I had been toying with the raw feeding idea for years and this seemed like the right time.
 
I now feed a Prey-Model Raw diet and I love it!  Beautiful coat and skin, wonderful teeth, he has grown good and steady, and stools and gas have been really reduced (the best part if you ask me lol).  It is not a diet for every owner or every dog, but I think its a wonderful thing to consider.
 
 

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 when all of you say the peach bag ealgle pack  you are saying  the one that says power  on the front i looking maybe i can have them ship it to honduras please let me know start looking into the way i can ship it here  thank you to all for your help

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Hi Tbone,

Many of us feed Eaglepack Large and Giant Breed Adult. Peach color bag

The link:http://eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_LGAdult.html

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I am new to this forum but I have found some very interesting info here.  I have a 7mo old mastiff and she has severe allergies.  I just changed her to Wellness fish and sweet potato formula.  Does anyone have any experience with this food? 

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I have seriously thought about the testing.  I have read though that the only effective way with food allergies is a food trial.  I know they said they would test for food allergies along with everything else.  Her symptoms are that of a food allergy.  Not to say that she is not allergic other things as well.  The vet said if we get the food allergy under control then any environmental allergies would also be reduced.  Since changing her to the Wellness I have found out about Eagle Pack Anchovy, Sardine and Salmon meal with oatmeal.  It is cheaper but I don't know if it is as "clean".  I would like to know more about the Eagle pack since it seems to be the preferred brand for our babies.

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I have a question about EVO dog food. I started my pup on Innova Large breed 4 weeks ago, he seems to be getting itchy. I read the previous post about that problem and I believe it is happening to Jonah.Anyhow, I went to talk to the owner of this store by us and she sold me on EVO. The protein content is a whopping 42%. BUT, she said it was OK because Evo was like a raw diet in dried form.I'm very apprehensive about this,can anyone shed light on this food? Is it OK to give a Mastiff pup???? Its going against everything I was taught about protein and growth issues. I do not have a understanding of different protein sources. Does anyone know??? Help.....


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I would be apprehensive as well. I would start a new thread.


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I just picked up my pup and have been feeding him Eukanuba's Lamb Rice (adult).  Is this fine?

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We use Timberwolf Organics. Our dogs love it and do very well on this food.


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