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What is a good guide line for Mastiff puppy owners feeding Eagle Pack Holistic Lg.Giant Breed Puppy.....to ____ age, then either E.P.H. Chicken or E.G.H.Large & Giant Formula(Orange Bag)?
Can even mix E.P.H. Orange Bag with E.P.H. Chicken. Say for the teenage years. Then have them on the orange bag say after 18 months?
What age is best for E.P.H.Pup(Green Bag)?_Say 4 weeks till____?
E.G.H.Chicken______months old till______months old?
E.G.H.Lg.Giant______?
E.G.H.Fish Formula seems good for allergies or to mix in cause they like it a bit fishy.
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i feed my 5 month pup raw chicken, beef heart, chicken livers, pork butt, chicken hearts and gizzards mixed with cooked, carrots, brown, rice, and i take all the chicken bones and skin fat and stick it in my blender and make a pasty dough out of it and mix it in.

i feed him twice a day 10am and then 9pm-ish.

does anyone think that this diet is too rich?? i tried mixing it with kibble but my pup got skin irritations i think due to the corn.

i've heard that a diet too rich in protein is bad for young pups and i want to make sure he's growing evenly.

any advice would be great thanks James Danger.

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I've gone natural - no grains, fruits or veggies - strictly meat, organs and bones. What an improvement! We have to be careful here, though, because, like most things, a raw diet is only as good as the supplier. You've got to check your sources.
I also realize, that many of my puppy buyers are uncomfortable with feeding raw, so about the only 'dog food' I will recommend is Eagle Pack. Have seen good results with Eagle Packs giant breed puppy food.
As for protein, it is the building block for growth, I don't think you need to worry as much about protein as you do fat.
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i get all my proteins from my local win co. (super grocer). i was thinking about going to my local butcher shop and asking about their organs (if they have any) i was looking into getting green tripe but with the added shipping it comes out to way more than i want to spend per pound.

usually chicken is 88cents a pound at the local super grocer.
beef heart 98cents-$1.20
pork 98 cents.
pound per pound i find it fairly inexpensive to feed him raw foods. and it's all human food grade. the butcher is relay pricey comparatively. but i'm hoping that they will have unused organs for cheep.

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Hello;
I am just amazed at all the info right now! Only been on this forum for 10mins and already connceting with some food issues the other members are talking about.
We have been feeding Titan for 6 months now Innova Large Breed Puppy and Just in the last months have noticed hives! Then more and more both sides of him COVERED in hives; poor guy soooo ichy! Anyways We are in the proccess of swiching foods and looks like I came to the right spot. Any one can suggest a good food. I liked the Innova good poops nice weight gain but completly stopped feeding it becuase of the hives! Thought maybe it was the chicken or turkey but not thinking that anymore after DIXIE has mentioned...the same issues with Titan
Thanks in advance for the help!
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Anybody tried the Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul food? 

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Hello all, I am a new Mastiff owner. Abby is a 9 wk old brindle Mastiff. She is wonderful. She went on her first vet check today and the vet thought she looked great and said that the food that I have her on is ok for now since is doing well with it. Although I feel like I am cheating her already. I have never been a dog owner but I have never been one to really like Purina either. Abby was already taking Purina Pro Plan so that is what I put her on. I read several posts and did not see this mentioned anywhere. I am going to eventually switch her but want to know what others think and get some advice.

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How often do you feed your 14 month old?
 He is raw fed (3 1/2 mos) and his appetite is changing-leaving food? could it be time for once a day?

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I put Cash on Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy, when I got him at 8 wks. The breeders had him on Pro Plan and I thought EK was a better choice....he made the switch perfectly.  Now I know that the Eukanuba is not a good choice and tried Wellness....Cash had very loose stool and I put him back on EK, although I DID NOT want to. Now I'm switching to Solid Gold Wolf King...........I started very gradual to avoid loose stool so I only added 5% SG, and immediately his stool became softer......SOS!!!! What do I do??? P.S.  He is 5 months now. Should I continue slowly and hope for the best? Please help.

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I am currently feeding Kane Pedigree Adult. He has bee itching and has bad gas. I just ordered Eagle Pack in the peach colored bag. He is almost 4 months old. Is this going to be good food for him?



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EAGLE PACK MAKES AN HOLISTIC LARGE AND GIANT BREED PUPPY IN A GREEN BAG AND IT SAYS TO SWITCH YOUR PUPPIES TO IT AT 4 MONTHS-
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Anybody tried the Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul food? 



We did for a while...great food but the feed store we got it from stopped carrying dog food products and the next closest one was about 40 minutes away.  We switched to Canidae witch Remy did not like at all and has been on Eagle Pack for a couple months now.

Remy is completely spoiled though...he gets up with me at 6am and I make him scrambled eggs to mix in with his food(along with his Nupro supplement).  Then at night he will get some diced meat, cheese, yogurt, cream of chicken soup...you name it really.  A few times a week he actually eats just dry food, but most nights we cook some extra meat that we are having for him.
Oh yeah...and then there is the food that Dani (our 16 month old daughter hands him from her highchair)
All in all, he eats well and does like Eagle Pack a lot. 

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I switched to Eagle Pack Holistic........Cash loves it and his stool is perfect Finally we found a food that works for him!!!

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So many people are talking about this Eagle Pack, is there something comparable that is not as expensive? I want to give Abby (13 weeks) the best food but I just can't afford the Eagle Pack. I still have her on Pro Plan (that is what the breeder had her on)....any ideas?

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This has been a great thread and very helpful. It does seem the consensus is Eagle Pack Holistic is the way to go. We were feeding Bailey Canidae dry & canned w/ various leftovers but found he developed horrible, room-clearing gas - just disgusting. Since then we've been tweaking his diet and found the supplement, The Missing Link was a great help for the gas issue for a long time. Now it's back worse than ever. But now after reading everyone's posts we've learned that it must be the Innova canned that we've been feeding him lately. While it is expensive, we too, will probably transition over to EPH kibble and will find another canned food to add.
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tnmcampbell,

Here is a link to the test for rating dog foods: 
http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/dog-food-comparisons.html

Link to the list of already ranked foods:
http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/dog-food-ratings.html
 
Here is another site that ranks a bunch of foods.
This site breaks them down into 6 star categories...lots of foods rated here. 
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

 
Hope this helps with your decision...here is the score for ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+.  So that is not a bad food at all.


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The 'A' Listers

(Links not mine, was a copy and paste from one of the above mentioned sites)


Timberwolf Organic Lamb and Vegetable./ Score 136 A+
Solid Gold WolfKing 15 lb. Bag/ Score 123 A+
NatBal Dog Ultra Premium 17 lb. Bag/ Score 122 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic Dog Food / Score 119 A+
Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+
Innova Dry Dog Food - 16.5 lb. Bag/ Score 114 A+
Innova Evo Dog Food/ Score 114 A+
Natural Balance Duck and Potato/ Score 114 A+
Canidae/ Score 112 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Wellness Super5Mix Senior Dry Dog 15 lb. Bag / Score 110 A+
Kirkland Signature Puppy Chicken, Rice and Vegetable / Score 108 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult/ Score 106 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Royal Canin Bulldog/ Score 100 A+
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula/ Score 99 A
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
WolfKing Adult Dog Bison/ Score 97 A
Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy Food/ Score 94 A
Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
Solid Gold Hund-n-Flocken 15 lb. Bag/ Score 93 A


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Thanks Brett for the info, I have her on a different Pro Plan that is not on the list so I will just gradually change her to the Natural Turkey and Barley. Thanks so much for the site, very informative.

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Could someone tell me where you can get eagle pack???  I have never seen it before.  If it works great i may want to start on it when the time comes.

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I am not sure if Pet Supplies Plus is nation wide chain, but we buy our EP there and for every 10 bags we buy we get one free. : ) It is expensive but worth it! Kaboose our boy had protein issues and did a little knuckling over, but EP cleared it right up.

Does anyone have topper suggestions to make the food more interesting? Our boy is not at all into fruits or vegetables, I don't really want him eating "people food" though when my boyfriend isn't looking I do tend to throw in some sliced up steak : )  Does any one ever use spaghetti sauce or canned stew or anything? We have used Mid's meat spaghetti sauce two tbl spoons for 4-5 cups and he loves it, I just am not sure how good it is for him. I was thinking like chicken or beef bullion? Suggestions really would be great. Thanks!

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Does anyone have a good recipe for topping the dry Eagle Pack food?  Tjark prefers wet food in his dry.  I have been giving him store gravy to mix in with sometimes hot dogs or other meat. Will this hurt him? Any pointers on a good healthy wet supplement?


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They have the canned food from eagle pack you can buy also.


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I have bought the canned Eagle pack but he got bored with it and refused to eat after a few weeks of it.  I have bought a few of the other brands too that I rotate with.  He seems to prefer I believe it is nature variety chunks with gravy but can get costly.  I have been doing his dry with half can of beef or turkey gravy, green beans and some form of meat product chunks. I am trying to get enough variation.  My husband tells me all the time I have made him a big baby.  I thought you got mastiff's to spoil and baby. 


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We d not have that where I am but I will check inserveral Different places to see if they have it.  How much it cost does not bother me my dogs are like family and I do not skimp on my food why should I on theirs

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Anyone have any opinions on "Taste of the Wild" brand food.  The local pet store owner recommended it - seems to have quality ingredients (bison, lamb, chicken etc.) protein is 32%.  Solomon still won't eat unless I spike it with real food though.

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how old is Solomon? you may not want that high a protien. In these giant breeds it can cause real growth problems. check a few posts back and click on the link for dog food rating-Cash Tastic posted it
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Solomon is 15 months.  I thought that seemed too high but wasn't sure.  I'm learning as I go with these large breed dogs.  I was given Solomon and his sister Bella when a friend of mine could not care for them.  Until now I've only owned stray muts that have found their way to my property - what an experience this has been.  Mastiffs are truly like no other dog.  In fact I find them more like my horses!  I'll check out the thread you suggested thanks.

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Maggie is mine and my husbands first "puppy" Mastiff. I have had adult rescue Mastiffs before, but had no trouble with their diet. Maggie was eating Iams when I got her from the breeder so we have left her on it. However, we are having some trouble with loose stools and horrible gas. After reading through the threads here I will be changing to Eagle Pack. I'm still waiting on their online nutritionist to email me with a suggestion as to what formula to feed. Maggie is 6 months old and weighs 70 pounds. Her mask and ears seem to have faded a touch. Could this be related to the food she is eating?

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look at the bags of EP carefully so that you get exactly the kind and formula that Lori said.....HOLISTIC only.


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I am currently trying to find a dry food for my 5 month puppy.  I looked into Canidae until I started reading about their new formula, so i've ruled that out.
I noticed that almost everybody here reccomends eagle pack, but I'm suprised to see anybody showing lack of concern over it's low meat content. I am not sure about having beet pulp in it either, even though I did read eagle packs website faq about it.  Also, isnt' ground rice different from whole grain (I don't know for sure)? Although I can feed extra meat with the food, that is the reason I shy away from eagle pack, along with the high cost.
I've been seeing mixed things on whether barley is bad for dogs as well .. and almost every other food contains barley.
Any input would be appreciated because I seem to find a problem with every food I look at.  I guess I don't understand why eagle pack is so popular because it doesn't seem that great?  I am referring to hollistic large breed.  However, it does seem to be the least of my worries against everything else so far. 
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Why don't you look at the Diamond Naturals Large breed puppy formula? The first 3 ingrediants are lamb, lamb meal and egg.  The grains used are whole vs fractions, no corn or soy.  Calories are comparable to many foods, Calcium and phosporus have minimums and maximums in the desired range, ash is controlled and only 6.5% total as fed.

VERY FEW dry foods are formulated without stool modifiers such as beet pulp, tomatoe pomace or chicory root. 

If you have LOTS of $$$, you should look at the Abady formulas,  His foods have over 93% of the protein coming from animal sources & no stool modifiers.
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Compare your self. All these are great foods. I have feed all at different times.

Diamond Naturals

Large Breed Puppy Lamb & Rice Formula

  • No By-Products, No Corn, No Wheat
  • Contains DHA for Brain and Eye Development
  • Antioxidant Formulation
  • Balanced Omega Fatty Acids for Skin and Coat
  • Large Kibble Optimized for Large Breed Puppies
  • Ideal Protein and Fat Levels for Optimal Nutrition

Proper levels of protein, fat, calories and minerals will help your large breed puppy grow and thrive. Calcium and phosphorus provide ideal bone and joint development, and the addition of L-carnitine helps convert fat to energy and develop lean body condition and strong bones. Also contains DHA for optimal brain and eye development.

Sizes Available: 6 lb., 20 lb., 40 lb. and 6 oz. sample

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein27.0%Minimum
Crude Fat15.0%Minimum
Crude Fiber3.0%Maximum
Moisture10.0%Maximum
Calcium1.2%Minimum
Phosphorus1.2%Maximum
Phosphorus1.0%Minimum
Zinc150 mg/kgMinimum
Selenium0.4 mg/kgMinimum
Vitamin E150 IU/kgMinimum
L-Carnitine *30 mg/kgMinimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids *2.2%Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids *0.3%Minimum
DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid) *0.05%Minimum

* Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile.

Calorie Content: 3,656 kcal/kg (342 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy.

AAFCO Statement
Animal feeding tests using Association of American Feed Control Officials procedures substantiate that Diamond Naturals Large Breed Lamb & Rice Puppy Formula provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.
Ingredients
Lamb, lamb meal, egg product, cracked pearled barley, millet, ground rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potato protein, oatmeal, potatoes, tomato pomace, flaxseed, natural flavor, salmon oil (source of DHA), ocean fish meal, potassium chloride, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-Carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
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Holistic Select® Large & Giant Breed Puppy Formula
23% Protein / 12% Fat / Calories - 375 kcal/cup

  • We took our Natural Adult Formula and enhanced it specifically for large and giant breed puppies.  It includes Beta-Carotene, L-Carnitine, Taurine, Glucosamine and Inulin, a Prebiotic.

  • 15-years of success prove we have the ideal combination of protein, fat, energy, calcium and our patented SQM® System.  When fed according to directions, it is rare you will experience the problems shown on our "Pet Health" page.

  • We feature DHA for superior brain and vision development.

For the first year of your pup's life, feed only this formula.
Feeding Guidelines

Ingredients:  Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Anchovy & Sardine Meals, Flaxseed, Dried Egg
Product, Menhaden Fish Oil, Carrots, Sun-Cured Alfalfa, Peas, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa (Organic), Blueberries, Apples, Inulin, L-Carnitine, Taurine, Beta-Carotene, Cranberries, Dehydrated Kelp, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Polysaccharide Complexes of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger.


Crude Protein
Crude Fat
Crude Fiber
Moisture
Calcium
Phosphorus
Vitamin A
Vitamin E
Sodium
**Ascorbic Acid
**DHA
**Omega 6 Fatty Acids
**Omega 3 Fatty Acids
**Beta-Carotene
**Glucosamine Hydrochloride
ME  375 kcal/cup
Min.
Min.
Max.
Max.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
Min.
 
23%
12%
3.5%
10%
1.1%
0.8%
22,000 IU/kg.
165 IU/kg.
0.36%
30 mg/kg.
0.1
2.0%
0.7%
5.0 mg/kg.
41 mg/cup

** Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

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Benefits of Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy
Lamb Meal & Rice Formula:
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over 50 Pounds at maturity
Controlled Growth Formula®
Optimized protein & fat levels for
for healthy, balanced growth
Smart System™ with ALA &
DHA for faster learning
Balanced Calcium & Phosphorus
for strong bones
Glucosamine & Chondroitin for
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Natural ingredients with vitamins & minerals

Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula is unique because it provides superior nutrition and taste while being highly digestible and easy on the stomach. Using a special blend of poultry fat, soybean oil, and sunflower oil to provide high levels of linoleic acid (min 3.5%) and alpha-linolenic acid (min 0.3%), these omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids have been combined with other key vitamins and minerals to help provide the healthy skin and shiny coat that shows the love and care you give your dog.

Lamb is the Only Meat Protein
High quality lamb protein for muscle development and body growth. Fewer ingredients mean less opportunity for digestive upset.

Highly Digestible Rice is the Only Cereal Grain
Rice is a highly digestible carbohydrate that's so good for increasing your large breed dog's stamina and energy.

Controlled Growth Formula®
Large and giant breeds are prone to rapid growth, which could lead to hip and joint problems. Our Controlled Growth Formula provides a unique blend of key nutrients needed to help maintain healthy, balanced growth - from weaning to maturity.

Guaranteed to Improve Skin and Coat
With high levels of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid, combined with other key vitamins and minerals, we guarantee your puppy will have healthy skin and a shiny coat.

Glucosamine & Chondroitin – the building blocks of healthy joints
Research shows that glucosamine and chondroitin help maintain joint cartilage. This is especially important for large breed dogs as they put greater strain on their bones and joints. These nutrients help maintain strong hips and healthy joints.

Balanced Calcium-Phosphorus for Healthy Balanced Growth
Research shows that large breed puppies have a reduced requirement for calcium and phosphorus so Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice provides the ideal calcium-phosphorus requirement.

Optimized Protein and Fat Levels
Excess weight can cause bone and joint problems for large breed puppies. Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula provides optimum protein and fat levels to help assist in reducing weight problems while providing plenty of protein for muscles, skin and coat.

Chelated Minerals for Added Health
Chelated minerals get into your large breed puppy's system more efficiently. By providing chelated zinc, and other important minerals, Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula helps your dog stay healthy throughout its life.

Smart System™ for Faster Learning
Formulated with ALA and DHA to help puppies with learning, vision and brain development. Research shows that puppies naturally convert ALA (Alpha-Linolenic Acid) to DHA, an omega-3 fatty acid proven to support brain development and better learning.

Guaranteed Great Taste*
We guarantee the great taste of Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula so you can be sure your dog will eat enough to meet its nutritional requirements.*

Natural Ingredients with Vitamins & Minerals
Using natural ingredients with vitamins and minerals, Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula does not contain chicken heads, feet or intestines which may be found in products that contain chicken by-product meal. Natural Choice does not contain ground corn, which is less digestible than the rice used in Natural Choice.

We Don't Just Talk About Great Nutrition, We Guarantee* It!®
Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula is formulated to provide complete and balanced nutrition for puppies including all the essential vitamins and minerals your large breed puppy needs for a strong immune system, and overall good health.


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  Feeding Guidelines
These are the recommended feeding ranges for puppies. These guidelines should be adjusted as needed to maintain optimum weight.

If feeding Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula for the first time, we suggest you blend increasing amounts of Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy with your old food for 6 days. Feed puppies the suggested amount in three meals per day until six months old, then twice daily until 14 months. Keep fresh drinking water available at all times. See your veterinarian regularly.

Nutritional Adequacy Statement
Animal feeding tests using AAFCO¹ procedures substantiate that Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy Lamb Meal & Rice Formula provides complete and balanced nutrition for growth and maintenance.
¹Association of American Feed Control Officials.
  Ingredients
Lamb Meal, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Ground Rice, Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Soybean Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Menhaden Fish Oil (source of DHA), Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Taurine, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Manganese Proteinate, Garlic, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Niacin, Calcium Iodate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.
Nutro supports the safe, ethical and humane treatment of all animals.
  Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (minimum) 27.00%
Crude Fat (minimum) 13.00%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4.00%
Moisture (maximum) 10.00%
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.50%
Calcium (minimum) 1.00%
Calcium (maximum) 1.50%
Phosphorus (minimum) 0.60%
Phosphorus (maximum) 1.30%
Zinc (minimum) 240 mg/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 200 IU/kg
Ascorbic Acid (minimum)**35 mg/kg
Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA) (minimum)** 0.30%
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (minimum)** 0.10%
L-Carnitine (minimum)** 15 mg/kg
Glucosamine Hydrochloride (minimum)** 325 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate (minimum)** 250 mg/kg
**Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
 

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I started out with Nutro chicken and oatmeal and lamb and rice formulas with my first mastiff. He did well on it, but started with some skin issues at about age 2 years. I switched over to Diamond Large breed, b/c it had no corn in it. The liked it, and did well on it, but in one month I bought 4 bags from my distributer and they were moldy, all different lots. This was around the time that diamond had the recall. All though thier large breed formula was not included in the recall, the moldy part made me walk away. I have been on Purina ONE and Purina Pro plan sensitive systems salmon and rice for about 1 1/2 years, and liked the results, the one is29-32 a bag, the proplan is 32-38 a bag, but 4 months ago the reduced the bag size from 37.5 to 32 lbs per bag, so I buy 4-5 bags at a time, I am losing an entire bag by the end of the month, b/c the price did not change wiith the smaller bag size.  After going thru rate my food site, I came across the kirkland chicken and vegetables. It is rated pretty high, so I joined costco ( the only place the sell it)  The price is 23 per 40 lb bag, but I had some diarhea issues when I switched over. BUT coats look wonderful on this food. I left my 2 sensitve skin boys on the kirkland, and put those with no coat issues back on Purina one lamb and rice.
to top my dry, I use shredded cheddar cheese. They love it, it is healthy, provides milk fats and proteins, and since I have a costco membership, I buy a 5lb bag for 9.00 and that lasts a pretty long time. Healthier, at least in my opionion than canned dog food.

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Thanks for the input .. I hadn't considered diamond until now.  I currently have him on nutro natural choice, but don't like it too much which is why I want to switch.  I usually give him a little bit of wet food at dinner just as a little treat, it seems like most of them are just about the same when I look at the ingredients.  Any suggestions for that as well?

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A pressure cooker is the best thing ever for making healthy, yummy mixers for your dog's kibble.  It is less expensive to feed than even a low quality canned dog food.  A big fryer chicken, or a 10 lb bag of chicken leg quarters, a couple carrots and sweet potatos in the cooker for about 3 hours cost less than 10 bucks to make and lasts several days.  The bones get very soft and can be crumbled up in the mix.
I bit more expensive, but I also make beef, lamb, or pork the same way every couple weeks to give them some variety.
Canned salmon or mackrel is an inexpensive way to add fish to the diet. 
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mr. hank has been on iams since he was a baby and i dont know so much if i like it anymore his coat on his body looks fine except his legs he has some like dry skin areas on the bottoms of his legs and questionable ringworm right now. i dont know if diet is contributing to the skin problems or what.. he just went for obedience training recently and am wondering if it was something he could have picked up there..  here lately he hasnt been so eager to eat his dry food , i give him pedigree wet food on top and was thinkin about goin back to eukanuba,, and was even advised by one lady to try just dog chow.. so im just lookin for opinions and advice.. just want him to be a healthy boy he is only 162 pounds and i think he could stand to put on a little..any advice would be great thanks

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Please dont feed dog chow. It is mostly corn and a poor protein choice. I wouldn't add pedigree can either. You can top your food with many things that are much healthier. yogurt is one, Shredded cheese is another. Soups also work well as topping. Tuna or mackerel is wonderful for the coat.


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I have now had three mastiffs.  First one Cajun(no significant nutritional research) fed him Science Diet large breed per the vet recommendations.  Fed him a lot as I wanted him BIG .......Well, he was laid to rest at 18 months of age due to multiple genetic problems that were exacerbated by an owner that thought bigger was better  Second Mastiff just passed over the bridge about a year ago at age 8 (pretty darn good, considering).  Was feeding Costco Signature(did do some research, but not the hours like this time) keeping him LEAN and had no problems what so ever with regards to significant ortho problems.  Went out of town, boarded at vets and he was fed their food/twice as much as home.  Got home from Vegas and picked him up- Noticed some whining and not wanting to eat (come on, a mastiff not wanting to eat???????Within 12-15 hrs of coming home from vet, he passed from bloat----Way sad.........Third mastiff, Chowder, is on Orijen food for the large breed puppy.  Initially was on Solid Gold Wolf Cub; staying very thin(vet even wanted more weight on) and getting concerned that eating more would increase chance of bloat (eating 7-8 cups a day at 3-4 mos and weighing 50 and very tall).  Several weeks ago, made the switch to Orijen and holy Mack.  Dandruff is GONE.....We are getting a cover on the ribs, too.  Now, I know this food is almost double the protein in other foods.  Research I have seen is now looking at high calcium levels, to many calories and environment/genetics.  I think Solid Gold is a wonderful food and my first/second mastiffs would have done great as they were easy keepers.  This one is so active, he needed a little more protein and fat.  I will be very careful not to over indulge as I do not want orthopedic problems.
This third guy has already had surgery-funny story and it is on my introduction post/newbie.  Thanks for listening and let me know what you guys think



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My two boxers had horrible allergy problems when I fed kibble. My husband and I spend a lot of money diagnosing their problems. After much trial and error, we found they could not handle the large amounts of grain and preservatives in kibble.

We now feed them FreshPet select.

http://www.freshpetselect.com/products/index.htm

 It's an all natural dog food that requires refrigeration. It has about a 2 month life in the refrigerator (unopened), 7 days (after opened).
My two are so healthy and happy on FreshPet. We bought them their own refrigerator.
  I'm hoping to feed this brand to our future mastiff baby.
Can someone tell me if the ingredients are ok for a large breed?



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Any recent thoughts on high protein and giant breeds?  One to two years ago, protein was recommended to be @ 22-26%.  I have read some recent research that reports high calcium levels and over feeding as one of the major culprits of orthopedic problems.  My mastiff pup Chowder (as stated in my other posts) is on Orijen large breed; protein is about 40%.  A year ago, I would have treated this level like the plague.  Now, I am not so sure.....My pup  is thriving, but he is only 5 months old.  I can say I overfed my first mastiff Cajun on a large breed food @ 24% protein and .9% calcium and he was euthanized at 18 months of age.  Genetic problems were involved, yet he was over fed and over weight.  I am considering mixing the Orijen with Kirkland (save a little $) as I used this with great success with my 2nd mastiff, Mojo.  He passed @ 8 yrs due to bloat (not on Kirkland- was at vet, fed different food and twice as much as usual).  Anyone with recent protein information and thoughts on Orijen/Kirkland?  Thanks so much


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if your pup is five months old and you're feeding 40% protein...you are asking for trouble.  The recommended protein level (including any treats you give) should be 22-24% and no higher than that for a growing puppy.

if you continue feeding 40% protein you're almost asking for pano.  Trust me you don't want that!  The goal you should be seeking is "slow and even growth"....

your pup will not get bigger as an adult based on the food you are feeding!  The adult dog is genetically going to be as big as he is supposed to be.  You can't make your dog bigger by feeding more food or higher protein.  All you'll get is a fat dog!

I have my dog on Eagle Pack Peach Colored Bag/Holistic Large and Giant Breed.  Read through the threads and find out what others feed.

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I appreciate that you replied to my concerns regarding protein; it is a very debated subject.  I apologize if I insinuated I want my dog to get larger/faster.  I understand that genetics will determine height (maybe some influence on when a giant is spayed/neutered) and giants should be kept lean.  The pup I have was underweight (being fed a 375 kcal/cup- Solid Gold Wolf cub) and needed more calories.  He was eating about 7-8 cups per day, and all ribs were visible.  Unfortunately, he ate a 12 inch toy lizard and had it surgically removed.  He lost a significant amount of weight during that time and had no reserves.  After some research, I chose Orijen.  I am undecided if he will stay on this food; protein does concern me.  In the interim, the food has served it's purpose; after a month or so his weight is perfect. (Well, people say he looks to thin but the vet and myself are happy).  My first mastiff was on a food that was about 24% protein and developed OCD, Pano and euthanized before the age of two.  In addition, there were some genetic abnormalities (un-united aconial process and elbow dysplasia).  I have considered Eagle Pack and may choose this food in the future yet the caloric value was equivocal to Solid Gold.  Again, the weight gain was needed to become a healthy lean weight as he was about 25+/- lbs under.  I did not want to have to feed 10 cups of food per day and increase the chance of bloat.  My mastiffs have always been easy keepers; where did I get one with the metabolism of a race car?Well, enough on my boy Chowder.  I will be watching him like a hawk for any limping, lameness or signs/symptoms of pain.  Your food choice looks excellent and I can get it about 45 minutes away from my home town.  If I have any more questions for you, I will send them privately as I'm sure everyone is sick of my stories.........

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sluggo is 13 weeks. He is on Eaglepack Holistic giant breed pup.

When can I feed him fresh real foods? like chicken, vegetables, yogurt etc.
and do I feed the chicken/meat raw?

I will always feed him dry food but maybe every other day give him some of the real and fresh food. Is that a good idea?

I need some good examples of what fresh stuff to give at what age along with the ep.


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Leener, I love Orijen and have fed it to my 2 year old mastiff for the past year with no issues what so ever.  I started him off on Eagle Pack Holistic and while it is a decent food, but it is heavy in grains and I feel that all my dogs look and feel better on Orijen.  Their coats are shiny, there is less shedding, Donovan had some skin issues which are totally gone, they are less gassy, and they are all well muscled and it is much easier to control their weight on the grain free food.  I did not make the switch without researching the growth issues very thoroughly, and even spoke to a vet nutritionist.  It is my understanding that feeding excess calcium, over feeding, and possibly an imbalance in Calcium/Phos causes growth issues, and not the protein levels in the food.  Orijen has lots of info on their site about canine nutrition, and check the FAQs and it addresses large and giant breeds.

Sluggo, I always mix fresh foods in with my dogs kibble.  I make a mixture of meats such as chicken or beef and veggies such as carrots and green beans, trying to maintain the 70/30 ratio that is in Orijen.  I cook my "doggie soup" in the pressure cooker and in 2 hours the chicken bones are soft and can be mashed into the mix and eaten.  Not sure if I would include bones for a puppy because they are high in calcim.  I have found that I can buy top quality ingredients to cook for my dogs much cheaper than I can buy premium canned food. 
I have heard that you should never mix raw with kibble since they are digested differently and can cause problems.   

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Thanks Sue. I would feel better about feeding him cooked food vs raw food anyway. I will try the cooked chicken and veggies out a few times a week and see how well he responds.
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Sue-  I want to thank you so much on your opinion regarding Orijen.  I was beginning to question myself thinking "Am I going to be responsible for crippling my own dog?"  I feel some of the most current research supports high protein(excellent quality) yet lower calcium levels/lower daily caloric intakes.  What are your thoughts on neutering before one year of age?  Vets seem to push it @ 6 mos- I think it is so the giants are not to big for their tables,anesthesia, etc.  I  found some information stating that "fixing" a giant to early could actually make the long bones grow longer.  Apparently, some of the chemical messages to stop growing in height are under the influence of sex hormones??? If the messages don't make it (due to spaying/neutering), bones can be longer and the muscle mass may not support them as well. I have had all on my animals spayed and neutered and fully support it as I am not a breeder.  I just want to do it at the most optimal time and do not want to increase risk of orthopedic problems.  Anyway, totally off topic- this issue is probably discussed in detail somewhere else on this forum. Back to Orijen- I have not had a mastiff with healthier skin/coat- always had to supplement to get the gloss I have now and get rid of dandruff.  Do you order your Orijen on line?  Thanks


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Hi,  I am very obsessive about dog food and honestly don't think you can go wrong with Orijen.  They seem to be a very ethical company.  In fact there was a short time that the fish product was not available because they would not use a different supplier or fish that was not fresh.  They are very particular about where their animals and other ingredients come from.  I was advised to carefully monitor growth and feel for any heat in the joints.  I never had a problem.  Current research does support meat based diets which are by nature high in protein. 

As to neutering, I am not an expert but had asked this question here, and did research the issue.  Giant breed dogs that are neutered early have an increased risk of osteosarcoma, they also will tend to get tall and lack bone and substance.  I was advised to neuter after 18 months.  That said, my dog is 2 yrs old, and I have not had him neutered even though he will not be bred or shown.  Every time I think about the appointment I hear about someone who lost their dog to anesthesia problems.  I can't decide if the benefits of neutering outweigh the risks.

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