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1dogsnob

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joy to us in mastiffs...

some idiot in oklahoma who breeds them is ill has lung cancer and needs to disperse 30 mastiffs!!!

what a joy this will be!

Poor dogs......anyone who is interested in helping please contact....bigboymastiffs.com
it is my understanding he wants to (of course) sell the dogs first.  He is hospitalized having surgery for the cancer and wants to dispense the whole kennel.
 
i have no idea on pedigree or anything else.
 
pretty sad
 
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Wonder if this is Double T mastiffs?
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He is a man that has been advertising on puppyfind.com for a few years now.  My husband and I were looking about three ish years ago for a brindle and got the thank you, I will take my business elsewhere feeling after a phone conversation with him.  A few months ago he was offering his bitches with puppies back for payment...no papers offered until you give me pups back type of deal.  I haven't been in mastiffs as long as others on this board but looking at his stock on his website, and the dogs available, leaves me with one thought...BYB.  These dogs need to be in pet homes, hope they all find their way to safety.


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Would you rather have him starve them, then call you?    Seems a little insensitive... 
Or is there more to your story?

He is an idiot because he got cancer?

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He use to breed Bullmastiffs, the website is blank now.....Big Boy Bullmastiffs / Waymond Massie - Intro Video

AnimalsNet™ - The animals only search Engine for cat, dogs, horses, pets, pet products, gifts items & more...
 
His Mastiff website is:
 
 
The Bullmastiff people I know totally hated this guy...He had ads everywhere on the internet.

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Hi Courtney,
I have a similar story in Montana.

An older couple moves to Mt. from Missouri. They have a breeding pair of mastiffs and built up their "stock" to 12. They were selling mastiffs all over including pet stores. Every rescue I received calls about for years all led back to this couple. I called them and tried to educate them to no avail. They were in it for the money. Then a few years ago they got sick and wanted to sell their breeding stock. "12 breeding mastiffs for $10,000. Good investment" Well, they finally found two different couples to buy their "stock". So we now have two different puppy mills. The older stud was found wandering around the creek and picked up. When they brought him to me I just started to cry. I had never seen any dog so thin. He was shitting rocks, sticks and old rags. We couldn't give him a bed cause he'd eat it. The new owner was contacted and she said he had been missing for over a month. I think they turned him loose cause he was not producing any more. A week later a get a call from the other couple and they had two females to turn into rescue because they weren't producing puppies. I received the AKC papers to all three and the male was the Dad to these two females.

Long story, sorry. But what is the right thing to do? I don't know. Try to raise the money before they starve to death and try to buy them? Have them n/s then adopt them out. But when you pay for the dogs this just encourages them to do it again. TTFN Lynn

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HI ,I think he was here in OHIO a long time ago .
He had a big auction in southeren Ohio .

Hmm so he went back into buisness ??? You should be carefull im sure the Puppy millers would love to talk with Him ,SIGH>
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But what is the right thing to do? I don't know.


Me neither. I am hoping someone does and can tell me.

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That is so sad. There is always an ad in my local paper here in MD
with a breeder who seems to always be giving away free mastiffs.

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this isn't MY story.....

i am just relaying an email i received from a long standing MCOA member notifying me of this situation.  They don't know him either.  It's a relative of an old co-worker is my understanding.  

sorry if i'm insensitive to this.  It just breaks my heart cuz i know how much these dogs give to people....they give their hearts and everything they have.  To only have YES IDIOTS like this use them to their benefit for money! 

Think any of those dogs are tested?  Maybe some are socialized, but it's just very difficult for those of us who do right when THIS is going on.....Who knows if they are starved or not?  i sure don't.  I get very upset as most of us breeders when this confronts us.  I personally love this breed and to see people do this to something that can't defend itself is terrible.  

he's not an idiot b/c he got cancer, but i do believe that maybe kharma is coming back on him.  Who knows and i really don't care....but i can tell you that i wouldn't EVER let myself get in a situation like that to begin with....so it's very hard for me to empathize w/him. 

hopefully the dogs will go to some good homes and this person will be out of business....it's always only about the dogs, not the people.

flame away-

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Courtney.....

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Courtney,   I agree with all you just said,  But I am glad you are not finding them half starved, alone and wanting.
It is sad, watch the rescue parade at the national, it will make you cry! those dogs are finally loved, and the people that own them are proud.
There's your JOY!

 Now you/we are aware of the problem and at least the neglect (if any) will stop. 
He called for help, he may not be a quality "breeder", but at least  he did the right thing for once by asking.

No attack needed against him now, help the dogs before he changes his mind.  Convince him to let them go to pet homes, not another up start puppy mill.
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Would you rather have him starve them, then call you?    Seems a little insensitive... 
Or is there more to your story?

He is an idiot because he got cancer?

I agree. Whatever his breeding practices are or are not - he has contacted someone for help at this point. The guy may well be dying, (the prognosis is usually bleak for lung cancer). 
It's a sad situation whatever way you look at it.

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i just hate hearing of this is basically where i'm at.  i pray the dogs are ok and are not hungry, alone, and needing of that attention they so rightfully deserve.

i'm very sorry to lash out the way i did about this person too, i admit it's wrong of me.  It just breaks my heart to hear about this.  Mastiffs deserve so much more than this!  To have that many is just, well it makes you wonder about motives and things like that.

i do watch the rescue parade.  i cry just reading the stories, it breaks my heart!  i'm a big softy and don't want any of them to suffer even the human. 

i hope this person can beat his cancer, and am thankful that he has realized that his dogs need care that he won't be able to provide them.  Again, it just breaks my heart for the dogs....but yes, in the end he did do the right thing....i would like to think most people would....how could you not do right by a mastiff???   Don't we owe it to them to do that much?

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Is it possible to have someone visit this man and tell him about rescue and what we all do and how careful we are about placing them in good loving homes? Play on his sympathy to get them turned over before something bad happens to these dogs.
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Lynn...already been done. We are just waiting to see if he replies.
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He called for help, he may not be a quality "breeder", but at least  he did the right thing for once by asking.



What??

Let's not give him too much credit.  Nobody said he called for help.  He is advertising them FOR SALE.  He is still trying to make money off of them...not place them in pet homes. 

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Okay, please don't jump to conclusions yet. Courtney and I both got the same email and it just says he wants to "disperse" his Mastiffs. The original request was made from his cousin who is a colleague of a very devoted Mastiff fancier. Rescue has been alerted and the offer has been made to help. If he only wants to "sell" them, then everyone can flame away. Hopefully, this couple will decide to "disperse" the dogs in a responsible manner. As someone said earlier, hopefully these dogs don't end up like Gloria/Kazia's dogs. Let's leave the door open for a happy ending for these dogs (at least 30 if I remember correctly).
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I really, really, really hope Mastiff Rescue can convince him the best and most selfless thing he can do for the Mastiffs that have obviously given him so much, is to turn them over to rescue for free where they can be spayed/neutered and given to loving pet homes. I will PRAY for this!
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I really, really, really hope Mastiff Rescue can convince him the best and most selfless thing he can do for the Mastiffs that have obviously given him so much, is to turn them over to rescue for free where they can be spayed/neutered and given to loving pet homes. I will PRAY for this!
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Let's leave the door open for a happy ending for these dogs (at least 30 if I remember correctly).


WOW 30 Mastiffs?! How can anyone even healthy care for that many Mastiffs??? I am not trying to be rude,but I dont see how someone could have that many mastiffs,even if they cared for properly they have to be lacking the companionship of their owner?! I have 8 Mastiffs and I am always worried I dont give enough one on one attention!! I cant imagine dividing my attention up to 30? I hope he does the right thing I would love to help find them homes,but I could NEVER send anyone to purchase any dogs from him!! The Mastiffs and their owner are in my prayers that he does the right thing!!
I will also pray his health gets better and he doesnt do this again its just not fair to the dogs!!

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The web site is old, updated in 2007. So while the dogs look clean and fed who knows the situation now. Is there a rescue volenteer in the area that could go check out the current situation? Tell the man they want to buy a puppy and take a look around? If it is bad get local AC involved. If they have adeqate food, water and shelter then unfortunately they are his dogs and if he wants to sell them there is nothing anyone can do except maybe buy them and give them a better life. I know there is the bigger picture, if they make money it only encourages more indiscriminate breeding but I think when you rescue the focus has to be on what you can do for each individual dog. The dogs only know they are cold, lonely and hungry, the bigger picture doesn't matter one bit to the ones waiting for help.
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Teresa - any updates???? What rescue group is in that area? I could look it up but I am being lazy :-(

 Let us know when you hear more abou this situation.

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No, we haven't heard anything from him. FORM is in that area. From the original email though, I understand that the man is in the hospital under-going chemo. We'll keep trying.


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Thanks Teresa! You're going about this the right way. You have to abide by the laws. And you are. Thank you! If you do get them that's when others can help, you'll need lots of help then. Keep us posted.

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I know this is impossible but I there was some way to prevent people from wreckless breeding for profit! It just kills me that the only life these dogs know is that of being fed, watered, and bred. They don't get the chance to experience love or affection and the bliss of being utterly adored by a loving family. How very, very sad.
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I know right? Alas it is for a very good cause and I personally can't wait for the outcome!!!!
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Okay, I live in South Texas...not too far from Oklahoma. As a breeder it is my job to do my part in rescue. I can help if needed...I have plenty of people in my area that would be great homes for mastiffs...I get calls all the time. I actually have 3 off of the top of my head that would be phenomenal homes. If any of these dogs are brought to Texas, then please contact me 210-378-7793 or mumfordmastiffs@yahoo.com. I will most definitely do my part to help!



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Trisha,
Let me know what I can do, I live in the DFW area and would be more than willing to help you with home visits or anything else. I can transport a dog for you to a home or to you. Whatever you need. Just PM me and I will do what I can.

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today i talked to some people at the show who were interested in an older dog.  we gave them their website info and told them about this situation.

my texas contacts for form and another private rescuer have been notified.  Hopefully this person will turn over the dogs and not sell them, but yes it is their decision to make. 

i really appreciate everyone coming forward to help out in this matter....maybe we can help put a dent into his population....and to whomever said can we control this from happening again???  i also WISH we could but, unfortunately we can't. 


hopefully we will hear something about this person soon, i know everyone is ready to help out!

what a great bunch of mastiff people we all are!!!  makes you proud to be an owner of one of these wonderful dogs!  


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Thanks for the updates Courtney.
It is our responsibility (especially breeders) to help re-home these guys.
I come across families wanting a mastiff all the time. There fortunately are not ALOT of mastiffs in my area...if there is, I never see them. I hardly ever see them in the paper for sale. People are fond of these dogs though. I like to look for the single families that have a pet or two or the old folks at the local churches. My in-laws talk about my dogs all the time and I have helped place 2 in wonderful homes over the last year. It is nice to hear the stories of their "good lifes" they are living and deserve.
I am leaving for a week, but hubby is home and we have the accomodations for a couple or so.
I will keep up with the thread.


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It is our responsibility (especially breeders) to help re-home these guys.


Yes, Trisha!

Come on you guys - don't we wish Gloria or Kazia would have done this or others?  We ALL know their are backyard breeders out there that we wish would go away and STOP~  30 dogs OMGD~  However, he is asking for help, even if he wants to sell them.  So what, someone get close to him, get on his good side and get him to give away as many as he can, if he insists on selling, help him sell them to really good homes for $500.00 - just get them in good homes, healthy, etc.  Thank God this man asked for help no matter the path he walked - now the dogs will be okay!~

I am in CA, but if there is anything I can do to help, please, let me know.   Dump the judgment while helping the dogs JMPO~
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Well said!!!




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Big Dogs Huge Paws covers OK and TX ( I am the TX Coordinator) and Great Plains Mastiff Rescue covers OK and TX.  I work closely with BOTH.  If help is needed by rescue please let me know and Ill see what I can do.
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This thread is focusing a lot of energy on something that is highly distorted.

I may be the only outsider in the last 40 years to step foot on the grounds where Waymond Massie keeps his dogs. http://bigboymastiffs.com/


I bought one of his dogs. The dogs have food, water shelter and Mr. Massie obviously loves his dogs and his dogs obviously love him. I was a complete stranger to these dogs and they were very affectionate toward me.

The quantity of dogs is 15. The age is all under 3 I think. He posted this add
Mastiff Sell Out AKC Pups and all young adults, males & females, health forcing sale, come look, accepting bids now. 580-927-3603 no answer, leave name & phone # please.


In the Dallas Morning News.
http://shopping.dallasnews.com/class/ClassifiedAds.aspx?scid=LP%20Dogs&pagenum=4
He has one female mastiff that is about six. She is his favorite despite the fact that she has never had puppies. He will keep her till he is dead.

There is no emergency. He has a wife that can take care of the dogs. As he started experiencing health problems he enlisted the help of a younger cousin that is quite capable and loving towards the dogs.

The behavior on this thread has done harm in this situation. The behavior of "RESCUE" people in the past has not been beneficial. (cussing him out and harassing him time and again with an incessant barrage of venom soaked phone messages)

I have established a relationship with him. He is EXTREMELY concerned with people trying to become breeders. He does not want anyone to get these dogs to be irresponsible. He is exceedingly aware of the economy and what it has done to the market for big dogs. As part of his awareness, he is unwilling to sell his dogs to anyone who is not capable of supporting their financial needs.

He would sell most any of the dogs he has available in the neighborhood of about $500 with out registration, under a pet agreement that specifies that they be spayed or neutered . He would sell them with AKC registration for about $1000. He is very concerned that they go to homes that are not going to abandon the dogs under the strain of the cost or inconvenience. He has one small female that according to him "Does not meet the breed standard, She is too small" that he would sell for $200.


There is more to this story. Waymond Massie http://bigboymastiffs.com/ has been on this site and read all of the post on this thread. He talked to me about it on the phone this afternoon. I had no idea this site existed until I did as search for it a few hours ago and after reading this thread, felt compelled to register so that I could post a response to the unvalidated accusations.
Numerous people have talked to me. Some on this thread. Those people know that the information posted and the fears expressed are not true. It is irresponsible for people to posses accurate and timely information that contradicts their earlier fears and unvalidated accusations and not expend the same level of energy promoting the truth. There are situations where animals are abused. http://bigboymastiffs.com/ is not a place to break down the doors and be the Hero, "Rescuing".

Waymond is having health problems. He is not a computer programmer and could probably sell the dogs much quicker if he took some nice pictures of the dogs. His near the end of his life and not keeping pace with the changes in marketing that the internet has brought about.

Having said all this, do not call him and tell him that you are calling to "rescue" his dogs. Some of the behavior that people have experienced is him pushing peoples buttons to see if they are they type of people he trust to take care of the dogs that he loves.

There is more to this story but I need to go read my 5 year old daughter her bed time stories. The new pup just farted and that makes for a good stopping point.

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I do not mean to be ugly to you and I hope you don't take it that way, but I have such a hard time buying that any reputable rescue group would call and cuss him out. After all, seriously, that would NOT be the way to offer assistance or instill a good, trusting relationship. As a rule, rescue has a responsibility to put all personal feelings aside and just do right by the dogs and alienating the owners doesn't sound like the right thing to do for the dogs.

Also, I'm very happy that he has help in caring for his dogs and that you have seen that they are all well taken care of for the time being. I think that is our main concern as Mastiff lovers.

I do understand wanting to sell them for a reasonable amount to be sure he weeds out those that just want a "cheap" pet, BUT I think they should all go out on limited registration, but that's just my opinion. When you start selling adult, breeding age animals, the byb will pop out of the wood work and often have the most convincing "stories". It would be really hard for me to trust anyone wanting a "full registration adult" unless I knew them very well LONG before this issue arose.

I hope he and his family are coping well and we wish well for the family and the dogs. I am glad the numbers are much lower than originally posted. I also hope all the dogs find wonderful and loving homes.

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Teresa, it not the legitimate rescue members--it's the over zealous zealots that think they are doing what needs to be done--jumping in half-ass making assumptions and passing judgement.  WEll, welcome to my world for the past few months in dealing with Gloria's situation.

Sadly, this is what happens when too many try to stir the pot. 

Let the man be--he knows who to call and how to reach members of rescue.  It's up to him WHEN to call.  His family also has the info.  We just need to be supportive of this man's wishes.

Please know you, your faimily, and your dogs are in my thoughts and prayers. 

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Quote:
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Okay, I live in South Texas...not too far from Oklahoma. As a breeder it is my job to do my part in rescue. I can help if needed...I have plenty of people in my area that would be great homes for mastiffs...I get calls all the time. I actually have 3 off of the top of my head that would be phenomenal homes. If any of these dogs are brought to Texas, then please contact me 210-378-7793 or mumfordmastiffs@yahoo.com. I will most definitely do my part to help!





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As a breeder it is my job to do my part in rescue. I can help if needed...

 


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Isnt it against AKC rules for a member to sell dogs with or without papers for a different price? All puppies sold by member must be registered.

I know it is in the CKC...

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I heard from NUMEROUS rescue people after word got out that I bought one of the pups from http://bigboymastiffs.com/

When I asked about the behavior of "Rescue" groups, it was confirmed repeatedly that there are people that become associated with "Rescue" groups that have behavior that is counterproductive.

Cussing, lying.....threatening.......the list goes on. The people I spoke with from the "Rescue" groups were aware of such things and took measures to remove the people from the groups that were behaving in such a manner that it becomes counterproductive. I liked all the people from the rescue groups that I spoke with. I did have some counterproductive people contact me directly.

I have not heard back from them............

I will try and post pictures of my new puppy (Mowgli http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061852/) in a few days. http://www.facebook.com/rdchilders
We have been going to the Round Rock Dog park

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&geocode=&num=10&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113281840756972758415.000470556f771f4ee0ede&ll=30.509394,-97.66615&spn=0.007543,0.009645&t=h&z=17

on a regular basis and we just got back so he is sleeping under my chair and farting at the moment.

I will try to take some pictures when he is up and about. Playing with Doodlebug.

Who I got from http://www.thousandoaksmastiffs.com/

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Cool.....You rock.....

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Quote:
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Okay, I live in South Texas...not too far from Oklahoma. As a breeder it is my job to do my part in rescue. I can help if needed...I have plenty of people in my area that would be great homes for mastiffs...I get calls all the time. I actually have 3 off of the top of my head that would be phenomenal homes. If any of these dogs are brought to Texas, then please contact me 210-378-7793 or mumfordmastiffs@yahoo.com. I will most definitely do my part to help!




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Well, getting a baby from Courtney was a great move! I REALLY like her dogs!!


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I haven't read this entire thread, but I am copy/pasting a post I posted on mastiffs.org regarding the situation and RD's defense of this kennel:

Although I rarely post, I feel the need to comment here. 

Mr. Childress, I'm so glad that you had a positive experience with Mr. Massey.  It is certainly unfortunate that he is going through this.  You and I have spoke via email regarding the situation.  My intentions of this post are not to bring out any of our differences in opinion, but to share the truth about this man and his intentions with his dogs.

Multiple people have called and attempted to help.  Many people have attempted to "buy" a dog from him.

Yes, I personally put in a bogus call, attempting to purchase a dog (knowing he would not work with rescue).  My conversations were almost 100% opposite of yours. 

Mr. Massey was very much into breeding these dogs and he does have a current litter planned (meaning, he's still breeding). He told me that if he couldn't sell her, he's still breeding her and will just sell her with her puppies. The beloved female you mentioned he was keeping forever, he was willing to sell.  He told me that he had a 6 yr old male that he'd sell, but only for $1000.  Otherwise, it was his favorite and he'd just keep the dog.  That dog came with breeding rights.  Every single dog came with breeding rights (usually for just $200-400 more).  He would not sell a male dog without the purchase of a female as well, for a breeding pair.  He never once asked a single question about me, my home, my family, or my plans with the dog.  He did admit to the lack of socialization in all pups.  The apricot female that he was willing to sell for $400 because she "was too small and not breeding quality," was now his prized bitch and best girl.

My point is certainly not to argue this out publicly. You'll notice I do not post on these forums for a reason.  My point is to point out that you do not really know this man either.  He's telling you one thing and everyone else another.  He was willing to sell me a dog... I even told him I was planning on coming that Saturday and he welcomed me.  I know you think that he was just 'playing me' but I thing you're sadly mistaken.  I'm not the only one who received similar responses.

Did your pup come with a limited registration? Or full registration?  That will be somewhat telling of his intentions... Lord knows, his dogs aren't exactly "show" quality!

And again, I'm truly happy that you're happy with your pup.  You certainly helped a dog out...  I do wish you the best.

Regards,

Mandie

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