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It has been 12 years since we had a puppy.  I wanted to get some various opinions on some things.
 
1) What do you use for nails?  PediPaws, Dremel or old fashioned clippers...
 
2) Food?  I see lots of info and opinions on this subject.  What do you think of Holistic Select Puppy Food for Large and Giant Breeds??  And HOW MUCH do you feed a 13 wk old, 49 lb Mastiff??
 
3) Potty training...Do you just take her to the spot in the yard a million times per day to try and get her to go there?  Why does she still have accidents in the house?  Is there something to use (pee pee pads) to get her to want to go potty in the special area of the yard?  Also, how much water should they get?  Do you give them water and food at the same time?  What do you think about bloat?
 
4) Brush?  There are so many kinds to choose from and I am overwhelmed!!!  Why would you pick one over another?  We used a shedding tool for our last girl, but it seems so harsh for a puppies fur.  It doesn't seem to do the same thing a brush does for the skin, oils and fur.
 
5) Ear care?  I have a cleaner but what do you use and why?  Do you put it on a cotton ball first or squirt into the ear?  Do you use the 'dry' ear stuff?
 
6) Teeth?  Brushing them or the stuff you squirt in?  I prefer brushing.  I feel it works better.
 
7) Why the heck do they want to EAT everything??  Rocks, mulch, leaves, pollen, sticks, grass, gravel...Are the odds good she'll eventually GROW OUT of it ?  My last Mastiffs did not share such an interest in consuming everything.
 
8) Toys for teething MASTIFFS.  Real bones are great, but what else lasts and is safe?  What do we think about bully sticks and things of that nature?
 
9) How often do we bathe them and what do you use to keep their natural oils?
 
I think that is all of the questions for now, but feel free to throw in your own advice if you have anything else to add.  It is all appreciated.  I feel like a new mom of an infant again.  I just want to make sure I am doing everything right.  I guess I did it all good with our Chloe because she stayed pretty healthy for her 11 1/2 years.
 
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*Sidenote:
 
I did just want to say that my breeder, Teresa, has given me tons of info and is extemely helpful and available any time I need her. 
 
I just wanted to see what everybody else was doing and what has been working or NOT working for you all.
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And yes, Hman...I agree about Eileen.  I have liked her since the first time I spoke with her.
 
I liked her dogs by the pics I saw, but when I saw them at the Bucks show, I was truly impressed, they are perfect and gorgeous.
 
I just left you a message Eileen, call me when you get a free sec!
 
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It has been 12 years since we had a puppy.  I wanted to get some various opinions on some things.
 
1) What do you use for nails?  PediPaws, Dremel or old fashioned clippers...

I use Clippers and dremel. But start doing it asap. Eaiser to get a puppy used to these things than a 200+lb dog lol
 
2) Food?  I see lots of info and opinions on this subject.  What do you think of Holistic Select Puppy Food for Large and Giant Breeds??  And HOW MUCH do you feed a 13 wk old, 49 lb Mastiff??

How much is the breeder feeding? I was feeding mine about 4cups a day ( in 3 meals at that age) I know my breeder fed her last litter ( TruckerxAngel) GO! Natural and she said it was great. I think the consenus is not to feed puppy food. And to make sure the calcium/phosphorus levels are not over 1.6%

 3) Potty training...Do you just take her to the spot in the yard a million times per day to try and get her to go there?  Why does she still have accidents in the house?  Is there something to use (pee pee pads) to get her to want to go potty in the special area of the yard?  Also, how much water should they get?  Do you give them water and food at the same time?  What do you think about bloat?
 
I took mine 10-15 min after eating or drinking and ever 1/2hr and right after a nap. They both had a few accidents, which is normal. I cleaned and said nothing. But always threw a happy praise party when they went outside. They were both trained within a week or so. And by 3 months no accidents again. I wouldnt use pee pads...only because they can smell their pee outside. And pee pads look an awful lot like door rugs lol Might have a training problem if you use them lol
I let mine drink anytime they want. I monitored their eating as pups..seems pups gobble their food. Perhaps a large round stone in the bowl or feeding on a cookie sheet will slow them down.

4) Brush?  There are so many kinds to choose from and I am overwhelmed!!!  Why would you pick one over another?  We used a shedding tool for our last girl, but it seems so harsh for a puppies fur.  It doesn't seem to do the same thing a brush does for the skin, oils and fur.

I use a slicker and furminator. But truth be told my slicker I bought at the dollar store works the best. Also bought a rubber brush at the dollar store that works great for soft hair and is handy for bathing. Its like a massage and really works up a lather!
 
5) Ear care?  I have a cleaner but what do you use and why?  Do you put it on a cotton ball first or squirt into the ear?  Do you use the 'dry' ear stuff?
 
I do the Blue Power Ear wash on a weekly basis with Trucker and every other week with Harley. He tends to get dirty ears if I don't. And I never squirt it in their ear. They hate the sensation and will run away from me LOL I put on a latex glove and saturate a cotton ball and squeeze the ball in their ear and wipe out the ear and massage. They enjoy it...Trucker..obviously enjoys it haha.

6) Teeth?  Brushing them or the stuff you squirt in?  I prefer brushing.  I feel it works better.
Ive brushed their teeth only a few times. I find that feeding raw turkey necks as a treat every other week or 2 keeps the teeth nice and clean. I think it was someone on here that recommended that. It works great!
 
7) Why the heck do they want to EAT everything??  Rocks, mulch, leaves, pollen, sticks, grass, gravel...Are the odds good she'll eventually GROW OUT of it ?  My last Mastiffs did not share such an interest in consuming everything.
I don't think they grow out of it unless you are actively discouraging it. Mine are munches either..never have been. 
 
8) Toys for teething MASTIFFS.  Real bones are great, but what else lasts and is safe?  What do we think about bully sticks and things of that nature?
Planet Dog makes great balls and such that last a long time. Bully sticks are great if being supervised. I dont ever give rawhide. Filled Kongs are another good one. Filling them with frozen stuff like peanut butter..not only keeps them busy but the cold soothes their gums too.
 
9) How often do we bathe them and what do you use to keep their natural oils?
I maybe alone in this. But a recent health seminar made me against bathing our dogs often. They get their vitamin D from licking their fur. Bathing too often strips them of this vitamin. And its one thing that aids our immune system and defends against diseases like cancer. But when I do have to wash, I use baby shampoo. And if Trucker has been in my cedars...which he is sensitive too. I add a drop or 2 of tea tree oil to the shampoo. But other than that...a bath maybe 2-3 times a year. I use water ina  spray bottle with lavender drops for a fresh cologne.
 
I think that is all of the questions for now, but feel free to throw in your own advice if you have anything else to add.  It is all appreciated.  I feel like a new mom of an infant again.  I just want to make sure I am doing everything right.  I guess I did it all good with our Chloe because she stayed pretty healthy for her 11 1/2 years.
 
Thank you wise Mastiff friends



I agree to call Eileen too. She is one of the most knowledgeable mastiff ppl I think. I just had a few minutes and figured Id answer with my 2 cents. Good Luck...exciting to be getting a puppy!!

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I want to add that a breeder XYZ told me that she used one of the blends of Large Giant Breed puppy formula by Holistic Select and all the puppies had diarrhea...which stopped after she changed foods. I *think* she said it was the one in the purple bag. Note: they may have changed the packaging since then.

Almost forgot, I know of a puppy that someone else bought and it was sick with diarrhea for quite a while..until they changed foods.  It was the Holistic Select
Puppy food. This particular puppy got very ill.

So, if anyone else knows (Eileen) or someone on the board knows of something
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At work, we have a lot of problems with puppies on lamb-based foods, I'm not sure why.  For that reason, I don't recommend the Holistic Select much.

Anymore, the word is out that a large breed puppy food is fine.  The calcium/phosphorus levels are where they need to be to prevent fast growth, and the fat levels are where they need to sustain energy while growing.  I'm a HUGE fan of the Fromm lines if you're wanting just a regular ol' dog food, and they do make a large breed puppy food.  If you want something higher end, I have at least 3 Boerbels and a cane corso at work right now on Orijen Large Breed puppy, and all are growing wonderfully, yes even with the protein at 38%!

Definitely talk to your breeder though. She will know what works best for her lines!

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1) What do you use for nails?  PediPaws, Dremel or old fashioned clippers...
 Clippers & a dremel

2) Food?  I see lots of info and opinions on this subject.  What do you think of Holistic Select Puppy Food for Large and Giant Breeds??  And HOW MUCH do you feed a 13 wk old, 49 lb Mastiff??
Anything grain-free is a good place to start if you want to feed kibble. Raw is the best in my opinion. If you do feed a grain-free you may need to add some supplements to even out the richness. I supplement vitamins E & C & Glucosamine. Don't overfeed...leads to more poops & tend to be runny, it's best to start with less food and work your way up by the condition of the dog. I feed our newest pup 4 cups a day and a light snack in between. And she's perfect physically
 
3) Potty training...Do you just take her to the spot in the yard a million times per day to try and get her to go there?  Why does she still have accidents in the house?  Is there something to use (pee pee pads) to get her to want to go potty in the special area of the yard?  Also, how much water should they get?  Do you give them water and food at the same time?  What do you think about bloat?
 potty right after they wake up, about 15-20 mins after they eat and I usually take her out every hour and work our way to longer period of time. As for getting her to go potty in a certain area, I've heard of people 'relocating' poop to the 'area' and you can buy these stake things that you stick into the ground where you want them to go. ALWAYS have fresh/clean water available...I do 'cut' off water about an hour before bedtime though. I also will put water in her kibble. She eats it slower and it's already expanded so leaves less risk (or ease of mind) for bloat. Little puppies don't bloat, but make it a habit to limit activity after they eat for at least an hour.

4) Brush?  There are so many kinds to choose from and I am overwhelmed!!!  Why would you pick one over another?  We used a shedding tool for our last girl, but it seems so harsh for a puppies fur.  It doesn't seem to do the same thing a brush does for the skin, oils and fur.
 Furminator is my shedding saviour! I also use a rubber brush too.
5) Ear care?  I have a cleaner but what do you use and why?  Do you put it on a cotton ball first or squirt into the ear?  Do you use the 'dry' ear stuff?
 I use the ear pad wipes, my dogs LOVE them. When I get the wipes out my boy will position himself against me waiting for his cleaning, and will try to push whoever else is getting cleaned out of the way.

6) Teeth?  Brushing them or the stuff you squirt in?  I prefer brushing.  I feel it works better.
 
Never have brushed my doggies teeth. Like Mindee said, turkey necks, when they are older I feed pork necks & hocks, ox tails. For smelly breath, the stuff you put in their water helps a lot too. which I just found a place where you can buy it by the gallon, lol.

7) Why the heck do they want to EAT everything??  Rocks, mulch, leaves, pollen, sticks, grass, gravel...Are the odds good she'll eventually GROW OUT of it ?  My last Mastiffs did not share such an interest in consuming everything.
 My current puppy was like that when we first got her...she's now down to eating dirt clumps, which is by far better than the sticks and rocks she was also eating. I think for the most part they grow out of it. I discouraged her from eating the sticks and rocks since she was trying out the BIGGER ones, lol. The dirt clumps are not that bad...I can deal with mud drool.

8) Toys for teething MASTIFFS.  Real bones are great, but what else lasts and is safe?  What do we think about bully sticks and things of that nature?
 kongs & wubbas are great also the jolly balls are a hit too.

9) How often do we bathe them and what do you use to keep their natural oils?
When they are young I try to bathe them once every other week...usually in the shower with me so they can just hang out, play in the water, and just get used to the whole bath situation. Then once they've got the hang of it...whenever they need it, lol. They LOVE mud...lol. If they are normally cleaner, you can use a baking soda based shampoo (1tbsp/1cpwater), which will leave the natural oils there. I also use a waterless shampoo for just 'spot' cleaning, or when we are at a show and they decide to roll in the dirt, lol. For actual 'get the dirt out' baths, I use '#1 All Systems-shampoo & conditioner'.

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Some stuff I found very helpful with my first mastiff:


For paws I use nail clippers and then file them down with the dremel.

For brushing (especially on pups) I squirt the dog down with a few squirts of water in a squirt bottle and then I brush the dog out using a pumice stone. Just brush from head going the same direction as the hair. It works great at removing dead skin and hair and is a bit more gentle then a comb. If the dog stinks, squirt her down with a water vinegar mix and the comb with the pumice stone...great bath replacement! You gotta try it...works great (I also use the pumice stone to brush hair off my couch and car seats). During the shedding season I often use my furminater, which is amazing, but honestly I think it doesn't feel good to my dog because he usually Loves being brushed but seems to get fed up with the furminater.

I personally don't wash my dog's ears out unless I notice the beginning signs of an ear infection. I live in a dry climate which I think helps prevent the constant yeast problems that some dogs deal with.

For chew toys I found jw pet products to hold up well. The "bad cuz" is a favorite pick at my house, but I cut the feet off because my dog can easily chew them off. I also buy deer and elk antlers in replacement of bones. They do not break or splinter, last months, and are softer on the teeth. Just make sure you throw them out once your dog chews it down to a smaller size. My dog chewsbon his elk antlers literally every day...they are his favorite!

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I thought some grain free kibbles are NOT ok for puppies because of their calcium/phophorus levels. Now it might be the adult formulas to watch out feeding to puppies...like Orijen is not ok for puppies. But their puppy formula is ok. Just something to look into. I tried to find the info on another forum Im on but had no luck.


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Canidae has a new grain free product that is good on calc/phosp levels, but it also depends on the dog. It seems your heavier/larger boned dogs need the lower levels compared to your lighter framed ones...that's how it seems with my kiddos anyway!


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I just wanted to add that the Holistic Select Large and Giant Breed puppy is NOT appropriate for our pups. I had to email the company to find out an average for the calcium and phosphorus. They were way to high. I can look through my email to see what the numbers where. 

ps- I think there is something in your contract about not feeding puppy foods. I would talk to your breeder about food.

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I just wanted to add that the Holistic Select Large and Giant Breed puppy is NOT appropriate for our pups. I had to email the company to find out an average for the calcium and phosphorus. They were way to high. I can look through my email to see what the numbers where. 

ps- I think there is something in your contract about not feeding puppy foods. I would talk to your breeder about food.

From the Holistic Select website... This is actually on the LOW side.  Granted, this is the minimum, but the max is usually only a few percentages higher, which would still make this food completely safe for a growing giant breed.
CalciumNot less than1.10%
PhosphorusNot less than0.80%

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I thought some grain free kibbles are NOT ok for puppies because of their calcium/phophorus levels. Now it might be the adult formulas to watch out feeding to puppies...like Orijen is not ok for puppies. But their puppy formula is ok. Just something to look into. I tried to find the info on another forum Im on but had no luck.


/\ What she said.
Orijen does have a few ALS formulas that are fine, as is their LBP food.  

However, Wellness Core, Taste of the Wild, and many other grainfree foods are not appropriate for a growing giant as high protein levels often bring on high calcium levels (which caused the correlation in the past between high protein and growth disorders.  We now know it's the accompanying calcium.)

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I don't think it matters if the dog has heavy bone or not. Certainly doesnt matter when it comes to joint issues if the dog is finer boned. Excess of calcium in a growing pup leads to bone and joint abnormalities. I just checked on a site I read ..which is a wealth of information when it comes to dog food. Im not agruing with you. But its something for someone with a puppy to look into. Everything Ive read says to be careful with calcium/phosphorus levels with giant breeds. Considering this is a breed that is PLAGUED with joint issues...it makes sense to be cautious.

Tells the effects of excess
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=dminerals

Also says the same about large breed pups in general the the calcium levels being dangerous and can lead to orthopedic problems in the future.
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=feeding_puppies

Again, not arguing just putting the info I have seen out there for others to read too. I know what works for one, might not for another.

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Okay found the email:

Dear Whitney,

Thank you for taking the time to write about Holistic Select large & giant breed puppy food.

We only have gauranteed minimum levels we do not have gauranteed maximum levels as AAFCO does not require this information.  On average however (or on an as fed basis) I have given you the values below.

Here are the nutritional values you have requested:

Large & Giant Breed Puppy Health 2.21% Calcium
Large & Giant Breed Puppy Health 1.25% Phosphorus


I just thought that over 2% calcium for an average was a little high. They also sent me the averages for all there food.

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WOW, that makes a big difference from the info they list on their bag! Kind of scary actually.

I think the best thing to do when in doubt...is ask questions. I really like the Dog Food Project site..its very informative and unbiased.

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I used Eagle Pack Holistic for a few years and when things changed, poop changed.

I switched to Fromm Gold and things got better.  The first ingredient in Fromm Gold is Duck.

Duck seems to do a body good.  My dogs look great and so does the poop.

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Wow... No wonder they don't list a max!
And the number she gave you was still just an AVERAGE, not a max!  I'm probably going to email and ask the same question and then forward it to my boss, because something like that makes me very uncomfortable!  Thankfully, I don't put puppies on it anyhow because of the lamb, but still...scary stuff!

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My female reacted to lamb when she was a puppy. Broke out in hives and my local vet ( not overly mastiff savy) asked right away if she was eating a lamb based food. Said its pretty common for any puppy of any breed to react to lamb.


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Wow, thanks guys for all of this useful information.  I appreciate to hear what has worked and has not worked for people.
 
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Hi

I have one English Mastiff and one Italian Mastiff. My English Mastiff breeder fed their dogs canidae so I did too, it was costly but my dog was worth it.

Last year I got my Italian Mastiff and breeder said he used same food until he found out Diamond pet food was making canidae and they had recalls. I now use this dog food that he recommended, its much cheaper than canidae and no recalls, plus better and its compared on this link. I agree with breeder who thinks its the best dog food for cane corsos. 


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