Hal
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Can a mastiff develope more width as they mature? I'm not talking about gaining width as the result of additional fat and/or muscle. I'm talking about gaining width in their skeletal structure and set. I apologize if this a dumb question, but I've got a pretty narrow guy at 7 months. Thanks in advance.
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Posted 07/02/12 at 07:22 PM
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Yes. Your boy is just seven months old. His head should get wider, his shoulders should get wider. I noticed with my girls they kept getting
broader (as well as heavier) as they aged. Both of my girls were 200 lbs.
and very wide chested. My boy is taking longer to develop.
It's hard when people post pictures of year old males that look like they are
all ready 200 lbs. +/- . Some lines mature faster than others. Just love him
for who/what he is. It is possible he will be a smaller mastiff but I think its
to soon to tell.
Look at his Sire and Dam and his bone structure. That should give you a hint.
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What Dixie said...LOL..and don't forget they look gangly and are still puppyish at that age. A Mastiff matures so slowly, but takes a couple of years to fill out, so a 7 month old is only a baby.
Do you have his pedigree? any pics?
and NO question is too dumb Hal..we all have them. ..
hugs to you and your beastie..
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Hal
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Posted 07/02/12 at 10:01 PM
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Sire: Greesons Earth Shakin Eddie, Skamania Celestial Hum V
CH Greesons Ibe Soo Mo Betta
Dam: Majestics Princess Athena, King Oden Lighthouse
Lady Phoenix Sunrise
I don't have any current pictures available right now to put on the computer, but I'll get a few and get them on here eventually. We love him and he is a very good dog, I just think he may not be as conformationally correct as I thought he was going to be. He seems a little narrow, a weak rear end, poor angulation and kind of a sidewinder's gait. Now with all that said, we wouldn't trade him for anything in the world.
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dixierockstarr
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Posted 07/02/12 at 10:21 PM
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I don't think you can know all that at 7mo! If he isn't out of his awkward "teenage" phase by 2 then you can worry.
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Hal
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Posted 07/02/12 at 10:45 PM
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I'm not worrying.
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Look at all of the dogs in the pedigree as far back as you can. That will give you some idea.
The other thing I can offer is that my own dog looks better than he's ever looked and he'll be 6 in August. It took him forever to thicken and fill out.
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Posted 07/03/12 at 01:35 AM
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some lines do take forever to fill out, but bone is bone either have it or they dont. The width between the fronts of the shoulders. to me personally is a good idea of whether they will thicken and widen as they grow. If they are narrow from shoulder to shoulder in the front, its seems maybe just to me they never really develop a good forechest.
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Hal
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Posted 07/03/12 at 05:54 PM
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Thanks h and Tracy. H good luck with your new lady.
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7 months is probably the gangliest stage for any Mastiff. A lot of breeders joke that it's the age where we want to put a paper bag over their heads and not look at them again for several months. Think of your average pre-teen boy.
For the most part, a dog will mature into what his genes tell him to become. Neutering prior to maturity is one of the few things that will influence how he develops. This is why many breeders do not want their male puppies neutered prior to reaching sexual maturity but it can be a tough call if the dog is sold as a pet and they don't want it being bred.
If your boy is still intact, you will see a tremendous change by the time he reaches two years. If he's already neutered, he will likely become tall but not fill out the way you envision.
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I remember calling my breeder in a PANIC when my boy, Montgomery (DavexIndy) was that age. She just peed her pants laughin, knowing he would fill out. He sure did ..became a group winner and love of my life. Lived to l0..God I sure miss him (and all of them)...
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We had Benson neutered 2 weeks ago. I could tell well before he was 7 months old that he was not going to offer anything to advance the breed. We did not plan on breeding him anyway and we were not going to show him. I'm just one of those freaks that wanted the best representative of the breed I could get, conformationally speaking, even though he would be nothing more than a family member. If he had turned out to be able to offer something significant to a program, I would have been open to offering him, but.... Oh well, we love him. I was just wondering if he can still widen out to give him a more mastiff stance.
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Posted 07/03/12 at 09:11 PM
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In light of the neutering, he won't "fill out" like he would if he were intact (though he may actually end up taller) but you probably won't experience the "joys" of those less desirable testosterone-driven traits either.
Just like with your kids, ya love 'em as they are. Sounds like he has a wonderful family.
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We had Benson neutered 2 weeks ago. I could tell well before he was 7 months old that he was not going to offer anything to advance the breed. We did not plan on breeding him anyway and we were not going to show him. I'm just one of those freaks that wanted the best representative of the breed I could get, conformationally speaking, even though he would be nothing more than a family member. If he had turned out to be able to offer something significant to a program, I would have been open to offering him, but.... Oh well, we love him. I was just wondering if he can still widen out to give him a more mastiff stance.
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Nine months to me is as bad as it gets with a mastiff - you had a beautidul puppy with great parents. Trust me please -he will change a lot - a whole lot! Too bad you neutered him so young - they need the testerone to devlope properly. He will be much narrower and not as filled out because of the neutering, but he will still be no slouch of a mastiff.
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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.
We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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We do not breed often, but we do our best to breed top quality mastiffs
with excellent pedigrees to back them up. All breedings are carefully planned to produce
the very best mastiffs, sound in both body and mind, beautiful and strong,
representing the true mastiff standard.
We fully test our dogs. We believe that a person that "just wants a pet" has a right
to own a beautiful, well bred dog that is sound and healthy
every bit as much as someone wanting a "show dog".
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Posted 10/12/12 at 04:36 PM
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Hal - How is your pup doing?? It's been a few months has he filled in a bit?
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