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DFWmastiff

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anyone have the chart of the average for weights and there age.Went to our first OB class at petsmart tonight and there were 3 other mastiffs in our class from backyard breeders.Our boy was 99.3 on there scale and he is right at 6 mo.one of the others was 6 mo and the other 2 were 7 and 9 mo and mine was bigger than all 3.is that a good weight for his age. I have also noticed him getting a soft bump on his elbow.kinda like a calluse but it hasnt lost hair and is soft like fluid.

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the bump is a hygroma...leave it alone..it can get as big as a golf ball, but don't worry, it will go away...what kind of bed does your pup have?


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he likes to lay on the tile

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Also,Trevor, his large size could be causing the hygroma.  .....one of my pups is a BYB pup and he's 36" [BYB pups can be big!] and he had a terrible hygroma. He has had all kinds of growth issues and I wish that he was a 'shorter' mastiff. Being a big pup can be very hard on them.

Try to keep your pup on the slim side.


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I happen to know the backyard breeder of one of the pups and not suprised by one of thems size(very small and small bone).My dog has good bloodlines and is not from what I call a backyard breeder.

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Trevor, one more thing...if your vet is not familiar with hygromas...then that should tell you that your vet is not familiar with large breeds.

Your dog is hitting the tile too hard...he will learn!


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I actually think he is on the slim side.You can almost see his last rib and you can feel them.I am going to call my vet but he is very good and I travel 45 just to go to him.He also does large animal.

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I agree with you butseems in this area alot of them are breeding 90-100 lb females to 130-150 full grown males.Alot are unregistered or ckc reg.

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it sounds like those aren't even mastiffs! Anyway, back to the hygroma...do not drain it, do not do anything [except a nice foam bed] and it will still take 6 months to go away...any heavy fall will make it last longer.


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Thanks for your helpful info.

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Weight Chart

Male /
Female (in lbs)
8 wks 29/24
9 wks 33/29
10 wks 36/32
11 wks 40/36
3 months 45/39
4 months
60/50
5 months 80/65
6 months 100/80
7 months 125/90
8 months 140/100
9 months 155/110
10 months 165/112
11 months
170/115
12 months 175/120
13 months 180/122
14 months 185/125
15 months 188/125
16 months 189/125
17 months 190/127
18 months 192/127
2 years 205/135
30 months 210/140
3 years 215 - 225/155 - 180
4 years 220 - 230/160 - 190
5 years 220 - 235/170 - 200

 

These are averages and lines develope at different rates so it is basically just a guide.

 


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Anyone have a height chart ?  (number of inches at number of months ????/)

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I thought it would be interesting to put up Marie Moore's weight chart from her 1978 book....
"Over a period of many years, the weights of three of the best bitches and three of the best dogs were compiled to determine the average weights at different points in growth pattern:"

Age              Bitch     Dog
1month         13lbs     15lbs
2months        28lbs     36lbs
3months        42lbs     60lbs
4months        55lbs     81lbs
5months        77lbs     108lbs
6months        89lbs     128lbs
7months        101lbs   135lbs
8months        110lbs   158lbs
9months        114lbs   166lbs
10months      122lbs   170lbs
11months      130lbs   175lbs
12months      140lbs   180lbs

"The foregoing will vary, but the general trend should be constant for good, typical Mastiffs.  The weight at two will be a shade greater, but attention to diet and exercise is most important in order to combat obesity."

It would have been great if she had given the names of the 6 dogs involved in this compilation - but I find it very interesting to compare the charts.

By 4 months (sept 29th) I will guess my puppy will be around  64lbs which is about right on with the weight chart going around but can't imagine a pup being 81 lbs that the M.Moore chart is using.

I also wonder if rates have changed over the years due to the lower protein levels that is popular now-a-days with everyone trying harder to slow growth down.







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How does Marie Moore's chart relate for today.  What are your average weights at 2-8 weeks old?

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I think your old English style mastiffs are more like Marie Moore's chart today.They weigh more because they have bigger heaver bone and more muscle mass. muscle weighs more than fat. Most of our pups weigh in Marie Moore's chart.MY 5 month old female is over 85 pounds. MY 4 month female is 60 pounds.

 

Also DFW I would strongly suggest to start giving him glucoamine with msm. It is a joint supplement that will help thous swollen elbows and joints. And help to reduce further health problems because of deterating cartilage later down the road.

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And those charts are not set in stone. I've had a bitch pup who only weighed 18 lbs at 7 wks. She was 185lbs by age 2 yrs.

Then, Samburu Warrior was 22 lbs at 8 wks. By age 3 yrs, he was a 260 lb dog!


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I have always said it is in the genes not the charts.  Know the lines and the growth rate of those lines.  Each breeder will help you on their particular lines.

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I agree! I've seen a few runts end up much bigger than I expected them to be.


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The litter I have right now is as follows. They will be 4 weeks this Friday.

 

Fawn Male         7.9 1/2

Apricot Male       7.3

Fawn Female      5.11 1/2

Apricot Female    6.10

The fawn female has put on a full pound in 3 days. The apricot male has put on almost 2 lbs. They have just started eating on their own. Still getting some from mom too. They are not fat, but after eating they look like little Buddhas.


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I hate weight charts... They mean NOTHING... I have had the biggest babies turn out to be very average sized dogs, while I have had several runts turn out to be the biggest dogs in the litter  when grown.. You must look at the parents and grand parents to have any idea of what your dog may turn out to look like.

 

Gar was 26 lbs at 8 weeks he was the smallest puppy in the litter.. He turned out to be the biggest and weight ( 275 lbs ) the most of any of his litter mates..

 

 Loni my fist girl was 10 lbs at 10 weeks.. He turned out to be one of the largest females of her time.. She was 31 1/2 ' and 184 lbs ( at 3 years) when grown and many judges would check her for testicle's.

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Most of my puppies do not read weight charts - they grow up to be whatever they are programed to be.

 

I do find that bottle fed litters (not nursed naturally) tend to be about five pounds lighter at eight weeks than bitch nursed babies - but by three months they are whatever they were programed to be

 

Most of my puppies average 20-25 pounds at eight weeks, some more, some less.

 

At six months my bitches usually weigh in at 95-105 pounds, males about 15-20 pounds heavier. I seldom have a male that weights less than 190 at 12 months - they usually are over 200.

 

Heck - one of the biggest puppies I know of was a premie and only weighed 14 pounds or so at eight weeks - and you should see her at six months - she is HUGE! (She is out of Waay-Mo and Adorabelle).


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What does a 200 pound 12 month old finish off at??


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Depending on your bloodline and genetic make up will determine the rate of your puppy growth. I do not think there is a standard formula that is accurate other then breeder knowledge of their lines.


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I feel a little bit better now. My pup wieghs 12 lbs and she is going to be 9 weeks on the 30th. I hope she starts catching up....

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She will. In no time at all she will be a giant. Once you find out what she likes to eat watch out.


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Do breeders feel their dogs are bigger in the last few years? Because of the chemical use in meat production human kids are maturing so much earlier. I have noticed that both of my girls, Mariska and Maggie are SO much bigger than the average chart--or is just the lines that they come from?


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Good question Susan.  I know nutrition has played a role in humans, although I love antiques........they are way too small in height for me and most people.  Of course we see on TV what fast foods and snacks and lack of exercise has done to kids of today and adults.  If anyone watched PBS on going back in time to the 1900's in the West and farming, you saw that one man thought he was sick and starving to dead because he went from 200 lbs down to 150 lbs and he could see his ribs.  It was explained he was in perfect shape to work all day and it was his body shape concept not him starving that was the issue. 

Here is a portion of what I am trying to scan on nutrition for the Mastiff--Nutrition, environment and genetics all play a role and each interferes with the other sometimes.  Although those corn-fed Germans miners in the North seem to produce Great football players.

 *The nutritional requirements of the growing pups are 2-3 times those of an adult.  It is during growth that the basic structure of the hard and soft tissues is formed and the genetic potential in terms of conformation and size is realized.  If feeding incorrectly, poor conformation will result no matter how good the parentage, and conversely there is no feeding regime which will develop good conformation or characteristics if the genetic potential is not there.*
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THANK YOU RAIN GOD--I am now off the mower and we needed rain here in the middle of Kansas!

One example of chemicals affecting girls for example is they start their periods at the now average age of 9-11. That same treated meat is of course going into dogfood. And people's foot sizes and heights have increased over the years. Is it affecting dogs sizes as well?

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Maybe you're also right Susan....often the best answer is its a combination of things.  My first answer is to guess that the larger people and kids and feet etc. are the product of improved agriculture and nutrition.  Today people have far more of that plus health supplements at their finger tips easily procured.   Plus a generation ago people werent as health conscious as they are today.  It was hot dogs and hamburger....  now its "Vita Burger".

I just hate to see what the next generations kids are like after having been concieved off of Viagra !!!??!!

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They probably won't slouch as much as previous generations.  No need to tell them "Stand up straight!!!"


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Of Course you are and God knows who needs to waste 4-6 hours on something so silly.  Besides your eyes will see only blue.  Men seem to have such a problem with their eyes, first they will go blind when a teenager then they have no idea what is really ugly by 2 am, and then they see only blue in their later years.  I am sure it is a genetic sex linked condition........since the Bitch of the species does not have the issue.

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You have a rather Missionary outlook on life with all of them swimming sideways, experience and time can teach you other ways to impress

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I need more coffee. This is what I wake up to..........I guess this is what I have to look forward to.


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Thank You this was helpful


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if memory serves me Ernie only caught up to this chart at 6 months, stayed with it up to 14 months then passed it after that ...
I think these are just silly games we play while we wait - nothing to take very seriously but still fun to play.


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I can't weigh mine at home. Between my fat ass and the dog the scale says error, how rude is that?


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bump for updates...

Do you think the weight charts are pretty much on the mark or are they outdated?

Just curious...

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Cole always weighed more then what the chart had for males. Sometimes just a couple of pounds sometimes lots more.


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I think its' time to start a new weight chart.  You'll always have those that will be over...  I think most are...  all of mine are.

Perhaps a new weight chart can be started and information can be sent and compiled.  But, there can be no exxagerating weights as the kennel names will not be posted.  Honest and true weight measures...  We've all heard those 'BASS' stories.

It should be interesting to see where we are in relation to those weight charts.

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Balou was always well under the weight chart until he was over 2 years of age. Pirate seems to be a bit over.


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I don't care for weight charts. It's ok to get an idea of about how much many are around each age, but I think it encourages overfeeding on some people's part if they feel their pup isn't up to the weights on the chart. I'd rather have a lighter, leaner puppy while they are growing, even if that means they are well below what the chart says. My puppies don't want to hear that....their chunky butts are all on a DIET right now LOL!


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