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To know the truth about owning an American Mastiff, as discussed by owners (NOT breeders!), please visit:

American Mastiff Family Facebook Page (1200+ members):  https://www.facebook.com/groups/12623648858/

American Mastiff Family Forum (1200+ members): 
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The Facebook page and website/forum are owned and operated by an AM owner, NOT a breeder!

P.S.  The owner (me) has/have had both American Mastiffs and English Mastiffs.


Michelle Parlier




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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Also important to read!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Originally Posted by SteveOifer
http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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To know the truth about owning an American Mastiff, as discussed by owners (NOT breeders!), please visit:

American Mastiff Family Facebook Page (1200+ members):  https://www.facebook.com/groups/12623648858/


American Mastiff Family Forum (1200+ members): 
http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php


The Facebook page and website/forum are owned and operated by an AM owner, NOT a breeder!

P.S.  The owner (me) has/have had both American Mastiffs and English Mastiffs.


Michelle Parlier







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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveOifer
http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is HUMAN radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Originally Posted by michelleparlier
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveOifer
http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is HUMAN radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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To know the truth about owning an American Mastiff, as discussed by owners (NOT breeders!), please visit:

American Mastiff Family Facebook Page (1200+ members):  https://www.facebook.com/groups/12623648858/

American Mastiff Family Forum (1200+ members): 
http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php


The Facebook page and website/forum are owned and operated by an AM owner, NOT a breeder!

P.S.  The owner (me) has/have had both American Mastiffs and English Mastiffs.


Michelle Parlier







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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Originally Posted by michelleparlier
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Originally Posted by michelleparlier
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveOifer
http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is HUMAN radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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To know the truth about owning an American Mastiff, as discussed by owners (NOT breeders!), please visit:

American Mastiff Family Facebook Page (1200+ members):  https://www.facebook.com/groups/12623648858/

American Mastiff Family Forum (1200+ members): 
http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php


The Facebook page and website/forum are owned and operated by an AM owner, NOT a breeder (or EM judge, others that are NOT familiar with the AM breed
first-hand)!

P.S.  The owner (me) has/have had both American Mastiffs and English Mastiffs.


Michelle Parlier







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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Originally Posted by michelleparlier
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveOifer
http://www.mcoamastiff.com/THEENGLISHMASTIFFVSAMERICANMASTIFF.htm

Also important to read!


Back atcha Steve:

http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php/topic,285.msg877.html#msg877

He is HUMAN radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 

http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=2827


Dr. William R. Newman of Bedford, PA is the AKC Delegate for the Mastiff Club of America, where he has served as a Board Member for multiple terms; and also as President, Vice President and Secretary.

Newman is the breeder/owner of numerous Mastiff Champions and the owner of the top winning Alaskan Malamute and English Foxhound of all time. He is an AKC licensed judge for 14 breeds, is Chairman of the AKC Delegates’ Health Committee and a Board Member of AKC Canine Health Foundation.

In addition to his extensive experience as a fancier, Newman is accomplished in the medical profession and in his community. He has served as the Director of Radiology at Memorial Hospital and as Director of Radiology and Chief of Staff at Sacred Heart Hospital. He served as mayor of his hometown, Bedford, PA, from 1994 to 2000.

Newman is also involved with a number of professional organizations including as a founding member of the Maryland Nuclear Medicine Society, and the President of the Allegany County Medical Society and Bedford County Medical Society.

Newman holds a B.A. from Hofstra University, in New York, and an M.D. from the State University of New York.
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To know the truth about owning an American Mastiff, as discussed by owners (NOT breeders!), please visit:

American Mastiff Family Facebook Page (1200+ members):  https://www.facebook.com/groups/12623648858/

American Mastiff Family Forum (1200+ members): 
http://amfamilyforum.net/Forum/index.php


The Facebook page and website/forum are owned and operated by an AM owner, NOT a breeder (or EM judge, or others that are NOT familiar with the AM breed first-hand)!

P.S.  The owner (me) has/have had both American Mastiffs and English Mastiffs.


Michelle Parlier







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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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LOL  I guess when a post is "edited," it multiplies. LOL 
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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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He is radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 



Actually Michelle, Bill's view is a condensation of the general view held by most Mastiff fanciers. 

Bill was a medical doctor who's specialty was radiology.
Radiologist physicians have four to six years of unique, specific, post–medical school training, which should not be discounted, as you have done, when compared to a veterinarian.

Few if any vets have had Bill's experience in AKC, as he served as Vice Chair of the AKC which encompasses many more breeds than most vets see in their business life & practice.

I believe, that your opinion is one sided, not Bill's, since what he states in the MCOA article cannot be refuted!

You can try to deny the facts, but the facts remain as facts, despite your objections.

All because you may own both a Mastiff & AMMA, doesn't grant you any greater insight into the development of the AMMA, or it's flawed history.

Discounting Bill Newman's words and your attempt at diminishing his stature in the all breed dog world, is an obvious ploy used by you, to try and elevate the status of the AMMA at his expense.


"The MCOA is opposed to the cross breeding of pure bred dogs for the purpose of whim and fancy".

How long can you decieve yourself & justify the erroneous claims of less drool, as being the raison d'etre for the AMMA's emergence!


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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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He is radiologist (NOT a vet) and an English Mastiff breeder and judge, and is on the AKC board of directors.... so his "opinion" is definitely one-sided. 



Actually Michelle, Bill's view is a condensation of the general view held by most Mastiff fanciers. 

Bill was a medical doctor who's specialty was radiology.
Radiologist physicians have four to six years of unique, specific, post–medical school training, which should not be discounted, as you have done, when compared to a veterinarian.

Few if any vets have had Bill's experience in AKC, as he served as Vice Chair of the AKC which encompasses many more breeds than most vets see in their business life & practice.

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I believe, that your opinion is one sided, not Bill's, since what he states in the MCOA article cannot be refuted!


You can try to deny the facts, but the facts remain as facts, despite your objections.

All because you may own both a Mastiff & AMMA, doesn't grant you any greater insight into the development of the AMMA, or it's flawed history.

Discounting Bill Newman's words and your attempt at diminishing his stature in the all breed dog world, is an obvious ploy used by you, to try and elevate the status of the AMMA at his expense.


"The MCOA is opposed to the cross breeding of pure bred dogs for the purpose of whim and fancy".

How long can you decieve yourself & justify the erroneous claims of less drool, as being the raison d'etre for the AMMA's emergence!



How can you logically claim that MY opinion is one-side, when I've personally owned TWO of both the English Mastiff breed AND the American Mastiff breed?!  I guarantee that Mr. Newman never even MET an AM in person!!

HE, unlike myself, has a vested (and financial!) interest in the English Mastiff!  I have ZERO vested interest in either breed!!  I am NOT a breeder of any animal, NOR am I a judge!  I am just the average, everyday, Joe-Schmoe OWNER.  I tell it like EXACTLY like it is!  [smile]

Again... anyone looking to know what it's like to be just an everyday OWNER of an AM, please check out the American Mastiff Family forum and American Mastiff Facebook page.  Both are open to public viewing/member posting. 

Michelle








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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Michelle, you operate an AMMA web forum, you have a vested interest in supporting the cross!

You are not objective, nor does the ownership of both give you credibility on either.

Try not to discount yourself into feigning invisibility, it's obvious that you block out any thinking that Bill Newman & others have stated.

No doubt there are good AMMA's as pets, that's not the issue that Bill was addressing.

Please tell us about Bill's recent financial gains in Mastiffs, I didn't know that being a delegate was so lucrative!

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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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Michelle, you operate an AMMA web forum, you have a vested interest in supporting the cross!

You are not objective, nor does the ownership of both give you credibility on either.

Try not to discount yourself into feigning invisibility, it's obvious that you block out any thinking that Bill Newman & others have stated.

No doubt there are good AMMA's as pets, that's not the issue that Bill was addressing.

Please tell us about Bill's recent financial gains in Mastiffs, I didn't know that being a delegate was so lucrative!




What "vested interest" do you think I personally have by owning the American Mastiff Family forum and/or Facebook page? 

I gain ZERO dollars by owning and operating the forum/website and FB page.  I pay every cent out of my own pocket. 




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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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It's all yours to do with as you please!

It's your forum dedicated to the cross.

THAT, is a vested interest!

You're not just an occasional poster on both forums, YOU ADMITTEDLY SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY IN SUPPORT OF THE AMMA FORUM!

How can you say you're just another Joe Schmoe?

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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It's all yours to do with as you please!

It's your forum dedicated to the cross.

THAT, is a vested interest!

You're not just an occasional poster on both forums, YOU ADMITTEDLY SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY IN SUPPORT OF THE AMMA FORUM!

How can you say you're just another Joe Schmoe?


LOLOL  You crack me up Steve... like always!! LOLOLOL

Like I've mentioned.... I am just an OWNER of both the AM and the EM.  I am NOT a breeder, nor a judge ... nor do I have any monetary involvement in either breed.  [smile] 

If anyone wants to know what it's like to own an American Mastiff.... from an OWNER'S perspective, please check out the American Mastiff Family Facebook page and/or the AMFamilyForum.net.com. They are both public viewing sites/members-only posting sites.

Michelle

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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Glad to keep you in good humor Michelle!

And everyone, please remember Michelle's non one sided repeated directive................

"If anyone wants to know what it's like to own an American Mastiff.... from an OWNER'S perspective, please check out the American Mastiff Family Facebook page and/or the AMFamilyForum.net.com. They are both public viewing sites/members-only posting sites."

No doubt Michelle states the same thing on her forum about our breed!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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Glad to keep you in good humor Michelle!

And everyone, please remember Michelle's non one sided repeated directive................

"If anyone wants to know what it's like to own an American Mastiff.... from an OWNER'S perspective, please check out the American Mastiff Family Facebook page and/or the AMFamilyForum.net.com. They are both public viewing sites/members-only posting sites."

No doubt Michelle states the same thing on her forum about our breed!





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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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Glad to keep you in good humor Michelle!

And everyone, please remember Michelle's non one sided repeated directive................

"If anyone wants to know what it's like to own an American Mastiff.... from an OWNER'S perspective, please check out the American Mastiff Family Facebook page and/or the AMFamilyForum.net.com. They are both public viewing sites/members-only posting sites."

No doubt Michelle states the same thing on her forum about our breed!


[smile] Thanks Steve!!  [smile]

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~American Mastiff, Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05) CGC, TDI, Inc. ~ RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic German Shepherd mix, Annie (B: 10.4.04) ~ Adopted 5.06 AHF ~ RIP 5.17.08 ~English Mastiff, Frankie (B: 11.11.01) ~ Adopted 10.07 GLMR ~ RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic & Deaf American Mastiff, Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09) ~ Adopted 4.2.10 ~ RIP 6.15.13
~English Mastiff, Maggie (B: 10.17.05) ~ Adopted 12.06 GLMR ~ RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: 2003?) ~ Adopted 11.23.09 ~ RIP 1.31.2014

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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As fate would have it, for my belated birthday present, my sister gave me a book titled .....................The American Mastiff!

I explained to her that this book was not about the Mastiff breed that I am involved with, but thanked her nonetheless for her gracious thought.

It just supports my views about how the general public is affected by the name American Mastiff.

They think it's our breed.

Well I now own the book, so I might as well read it and see what is being promoted.

pg. 5 begins with the cross having fewer health problems and a much dryer mouth (I believe it should be spelled drier, but perhaps in the second edition their proof reader might get it correct.

pg.6 states and I quote, "The American Mastiff looks identical to the English Mastiff in color, shape, size, etc."

pg. 16 "Our dogs do not drool except sometimes on the following occasions: when you have an especially yummy treat for them, when they're playing outside on a very hot day, or if they are taking a walk in the woods with a million new smells. And when they get a drink of water around their water bowl" etc., etc.

It appears that they drool during the same instances that our breed drools!

pg.23 shows a photo of a good amount of slobber being shaken off by one of their "drool-less" specimens!

pg. 29 uses only 5 lines devoted to what breeds were used to create the American Mastiff. It is empty of any substantive information, other than just saying that the English Mastiff was crossed with an Anatolian Mastiff.

Since they are ineligible for AKC admission, they simply say that they are family dogs not show dogs!

212 pages of mostly photos and general care, feeding, toys, accessories, training, etc.

Nicely photographed in hard cover, but without any important information regarding breed history (67 words on pg. 5) No names, dates, or validating evidence of what actually went into the creation of this cross.

Many repetitive references throughout the book as stuffing for the pages.

Glad I read it, as it confirms my views about the nature of forces that used our breed and name to promote an imposter!

Too bad that a clueless public gets taken in by the erroneous claims!

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For the betterment of the breed!

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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