SteveOifer

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http://www.pawnation.com/2013/04/22/is-dog-meat-used-to-make-dog-food/?ncid=webmail39
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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dirtpoor

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OMG!!!!! Roadkill?!?!?!? Euthanised animals?!?!?!
I could die.
__________________ Kristie in Texas
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And my new boy Elah!!!!!!
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augusta
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hi,
i am not a defender of the dog food industry. i think they are outrageous in their claims and pricing. but the article does not reference the slate.com article, which presents the same information but with a slightly different viewpoint, one that i think is worth reading.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/04/what_is_in_pet_food_zoo_animals_sick_livestock_dogs_and_cats_from_shelters.2.html
not all rendering facilities take diseased animals or animals from shelters and i'm not sure all dog food companies take any old ground up animals because consistency is critical in processed dog food. i'm not sure where the reporter from slate got his information, it's been around on the internet since about the dawn of the internet with the added horror of 'flea collars are ground up too.'
dog food companies are notorious for keeping reporters out. but some of them have allowed whole dog journal reporters inside in the past few years so maybe they are becoming more transparent? one can only hope.
but think about the junk your puppies have eaten. tv remotes, sheetrock, lead paint on woodwork, polyester socks, the list is probably endless.
dogs eat roadkill all the time. the last foster i had snarfed a flattened squirrel out of the leaves in the gutter and swallowed it in a heartbeat, fur, teeth and all.
mice eat antlers. dogs eat feces. hooves are just another part of an animal and if i'm not mistaken, they are smoked and sold in pet stores as treats?
so it's not all bad, really. i think we need to be a little more objective than that article.
best, v
p.s. much more fun on slate is what happens when you wring out a washcloth in space? http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/04/23/washcloth_in_space_video_of_what_happens_when_you_wring_out_a_wet_cloth.html
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SteveOifer

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Protein is protein I guess and after V's acceptance of such doings, I'm ready to take orders on Soylent Green!
__________________ For the betterment of the breed!
"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Janine

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Lets not forget Mad Cow Disease, I have big reservations about all these bits and pieces going into the pet food. I know dogs eat all sorts of crap, this is why I feed mine home prepared food and fresh bones etc. I have also had dogs grab dead animals and scoff them down before I could grab it and they have had no ill effects at all, and I have less of a worry about that than I do about what humans are adding. I can remember in the early 70's, I was working then for the vet I am working for now, we had an unconscious dog bought in, all vitals were fine, it was just out to it, I can remember the client was also a farmer and the boss had euthanised a cow for him the week prior with lethal injection, the farmer had fed this meat to his dog, hence, the dog was under the effect of anaesethic. The dogs and cats from the main shelter here are made into blood and bone garden fertilizer.
Epidemic in British cattleCattle are naturally herbivores, eating grass. However in modern industrial cattle-farming, various commercial feeds are used, which may contain ingredients including antibiotics, hormones, pesticides, fertilizers, and protein supplements. The use of meat and bone meal, produced from the ground and cooked leftovers of the slaughtering process, as well as from the carcasses of sick and injured animals such as cattle or sheep, as a protein supplement in cattle feed was widespread in Europe prior to about 1987.[3] Worldwide, soybean meal is the primary plant-based protein supplement fed to cattle. However, soybeans do not grow well in Europe, so cattle raisers throughout Europe turned to the cheaper animal byproduct feeds as an alternative. The British Inquiry dismissed suggestions that changes to processing might have increased the infectious agents in cattle feed, saying "changes in process could not have been solely responsible for the emergence of BSE, and changes in regulation were not a factor at all."[26] (The prion causing BSE is not destroyed by heat treatment.) The first confirmed animal to fall ill with the disease occurred in 1986 in the United Kingdom, and lab tests the following year indicated the presence of BSE; by November 1987, the British Ministry of Agriculture accepted it had a new disease on its hands.[27] Subsequently, 165 people (until October 2009) contracted and died of a disease with similar neurological symptoms subsequently called (new) variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD).[5] This is a separate disease from 'classical' Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, which is not related to BSE and has been known about since the early 1900s. Three cases of vCJD occurred in people who had lived in or visited the UK – one each in the Republic of Ireland, Canada and the United States of America. There is also some concern about those who work with (and therefore inhale) cattle meat and bone meal, such as horticulturists, who use it as fertilizer. Up-to-date statistics on all types of CJD are published by the National Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Surveillance Unit (NCJDSU) in Edinburgh, Scotland. For many of the vCJD patients, direct evidence exists that they had consumed tainted beef, and this is assumed to be the mechanism by which all affected individuals contracted it. Disease incidence also appears to correlate with slaughtering practices that led to the mixture of nervous system tissue with hamburger and other beef. An estimated 400,000 cattle infected with BSE entered the human food chain in the 1980s.[citation needed] Although the BSE epizootic was eventually brought under control by culling all suspect cattle populations, people are still being diagnosed with vCJD each year (though the number of new cases currently has dropped to fewer than five per year). This is attributed to the long incubation period for prion diseases, which are typically measured in years or decades. As a result, the full extent of the human vCJD outbreak is still not known. The scientific consensus is that infectious BSE prion material is not destroyed through normal cooking procedures, meaning that even contaminated beef foodstuffs prepared "well done" may remain infectious.[28][29] Alan Colchester, a professor of neurology at the University of Kent, and Nancy Colchester, writing in the 3 September 2005 issue of the medical journal The Lancet, proposed a theory that the most likely initial origin of BSE in the United Kingdom was the importation from the Indian Subcontinent of bone meal which contained CJD-infected human remains.[30] The government of India vehemently responded to the research calling it "misleading, highly mischievous; a figment of imagination; absurd," further adding that India maintained constant surveillance and had not had a single case of either BSE or vCJD.[31][32] The authors responded in the 22 January 2006 issue of The Lancet that their theory is unprovable only in the same sense as all other BSE origin theories are and that the theory warrants further investigation.[33]
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augusta
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hi janine,
if not all, then almost all commercial cattle in the us and canada now have electronic ear tags so that if mad cow surfaces, it can be traced back to the source very quickly and cattle feed companies are no longer routinely adding who knows what to cattle feed because the economic price they'd pay for a mad cow outbreak would put them out of business - it's economics, not care for humanity that keeps us safe<eyeroll>. our cows don't have tags but they don't eat feed, just grass and hay so they are not at risk. of course nothing is ever 100% but it's better than it was. i fed raw for years, as noted, i am not a fan of dog food companies!
i'm also not a fan of articles that are written with the sole purpose of freaking people out ;-)
i presume steve is old enough to be solent green himself<g>. or perhaps he'd like to go eat at the uc boulder cafeteria?
best, v
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SteveOifer

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__________________ For the betterment of the breed!
"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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Janine

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Same here in Australia V, beef cattle trade is a big business and needs to be protected, I personally would love to see the end of live animal exports, it is a huge bug bear with me, I do not see why the animals cannot be slaughtered here, humanely, and the meat shipped overseas but that is another story. If our beef industry went down the whole economy would be in huge trouble. I don't think we have had any outbreaks of mad cow, hoof and mouth (not as long as I can remember anyway) or anthrax (again, not that I can remember). Our quarantine laws are so strict and it is one thing I do not mind at all. Each time I have returned from the UK the customs people have even checked the bottoms of all my shoes for any signs of dirt or mud. As soon as you tick the box to say you have been in the countryside you are checked. My main reservation with processed pet food is this, dogs and cats cannot cook, why do humans feel it necessary to give them cooked food? Mine eat raw and I am a big fan of the BARF diet. I do sometimes give them a can of food, but only when I have forgotten to take their dinner out of the freezer. I think about all the problems dogs have these days, allergies, bone and development problems, dental problems, anal gland problems so many different things going wrong with dogs and cats, diabetes, thyroid, kidneys problems, the list goes on and on. Personally, I do not think all these things were around as much prior to processed pet food becoming available. In all my years of owning having dogs, not once have I needed to have a dental done on any of them, never had a problem with anal glands either.
Steve, I don't even want to read that last one, just the heading was enough. Hell, we did a pyo surgery last Friday night, as the boss removed the uterus, one of the younger vets said it looked like sausages, we were having sausages that night and do you think I could eat them. Janine.
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SteveOifer

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I think most issues are usually one of degree.
We don't live in an antiseptic world and our processed foods do remove many important nutrients.
One reason why clay eating has become a popular supplement, as it reintroduces factors removed from our daily intake.
Psychologically, who wouldn't be affected by associations that turn our stomachs, but the percentage of foreign elements are relatively low in most prepared food products for human consumption.
But in the pet food industry, there is more latitude for contamination to occur despite checks & balances.
The source of ingredients are not always listed on labels and a protein, or fat percentage, does not equate to the quality of the product.
Some companies have had major issues with products used for pet foods & treats, and our pets suffer as a direct result.
No doubt your dogs enjoyed the sausages!
__________________ For the betterment of the breed!
"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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augusta
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hi janine,
what amazes me about dog food, at least over here is the promotion of silly things like the bag that has carrots and other vegetables, sort of floating down from heaven, printed on the bag. as if dogs need vegetables the way we do. we, (except for me who eats lots of vegetables<g> , don't eat enough vegetables so our dogs should eat more? the marketing used by dog food manufacturers rivals that of athletic shoe manufacturers. i wouldn't know which one to trust if i had a dog and would be feeding raw like i was when i had dogs.
i rarely eat processed food because it's just as easy to saute spinach, i can only wonder what the perfect ratio of fat, sugar and salt is for dogs<g>. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/02/26/172969363/how-the-food-industry-manipulates-taste-buds-with-salt-sugar-fat
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Janine

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I tell you what V, Coke Zero had me well and truly hooked, I was drinking about 8 cans a day, if not more, going through cartons of it, and if I didn't have some I would get terrible headaches, I do not know what they put in that but it had me. I have not had any now for about 4 weeks, I put myself on sparkling water and I feel much better, but it was hard. I am sure they put stuff into lots of things to make you come back for more. And yep, we have "veges from heaven" on the dog food bags here too, Beneful are good at that. Advertising and lies makes things attractive and this sells. If they had "Dog eat Dog" food I doubt they would sell much lol. Janine
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