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I have a 5 month old Bull/French mastiff. He weighs around 65 lbs. Out of nowhere, on Wednesday, he began to limp around the house. When he would go outside, I would catch him running, jumping, chasing a ball, but the minute he would begin to walk, the limp would be there. He never yelped or whined about it. The limp got worse and worse, now he doesn't even try to get up to go out or eat. We took him to the vet and they did x-rays and ran tests, but found nothing. They stated that they felt he had growing pains and prescribed a medication for him. I have been doing some research on line regarding it, and it states that this could last for months and move from leg to leg.

Has anyone experienced this with their puppy? If so, what did you do for it? I read someplace that an aspirin a day helps, but don't give it for too long to avoid stomach issues. Did you find anything that helped? It is soo sad to see him limp around and just not himself. My poor sons are starting to get sad b/c Dozer is so sad. Any ideas?  Thank you!

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I haven't had it in our dogs but have heard it travels to other limbs.

What meds did your vet give you? Prednisone? Usually Pano resolves itself without drugs. I could be wrong.... Just curtail his activity.

Be sure the food you feed has less than 26% protein.

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Try this, from Patty G.

Patty's remedy for limping pups:

15-20 alfalfa tablets
10-15 cod liver oil capsules
2-4 tablespoons of wheat germ oil (can be a blend)
2 raw eggs
2 huge tablespoons of plain yogurt
2 acidophilus capsules or Lethecin granules 1 teaspoon
Mix all ingredients together and pour over puppy's food
can be given all at once or half in the morning, half in the afternoon

I recommended this for the pup's first year.  I also ask that you write down on a calender the day you start the diet and the day you don't see them limp.....


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Patty's formula works.. I am a believer..


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Here is an article....

http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/depano.html



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We had it here pretty bad.  We started Patty's formula and I think it took about 8 days but haven't had a problem since.  It does work!

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I use Glycoflex stage 2 and it works great and fast, along with restricted exercise.It available through KVVET. 

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Something that I've used with great success for limping pups/dogs is arnica. JMO


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I have a 5 month old Bull/French mastiff. He weighs around 65 lbs. Out of nowhere, on Wednesday, he began to limp around the house. When he would go outside, I would catch him running, jumping, chasing a ball, but the minute he would begin to walk, the limp would be there. He never yelped or whined about it. The limp got worse and worse, now he doesn't even try to get up to go out or eat. We took him to the vet and they did x-rays and ran tests, but found nothing. They stated that they felt he had growing pains and prescribed a medication for him. I have been doing some research on line regarding it, and it states that this could last for months and move from leg to leg.

Has anyone experienced this with their puppy? If so, what did you do for it? I read someplace that an aspirin a day helps, but don't give it for too long to avoid stomach issues. Did you find anything that helped? It is soo sad to see him limp around and just not himself. My poor sons are starting to get sad b/c Dozer is so sad. Any ideas?  Thank you!

ihi my name is bridget i have the same problem with my 11month old english mastiff brutus, and the vet just gave him muscle relaxers and pain killers it seems to work but i dont know how long this will last its been 1month already and it seems to get worse, his is on the back right leg and its very hard for him to stand up after he was laying down he starts to yelp like nothing ive ever heard before, so unless somebody has some ideas that would be great and how long it lasts cause its very hard and sad to see him go thru this.
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PANO Formula

 

Occasionally a growing Mastiff puppy gets “Pano” . ..  this is caused by too rapid growth of the long bones which leads to inflammation of the bones. The symptoms are limping and soreness, usually in the front end.  The most commonly affected bones are the long bones in the front legs and sometimes the shoulders.  If your puppy limps you need to have this diagnosed by a vet.  But if you do get Pano in your puppy, I have a nutritional formula passed down to me from another Mastiff breeder of many years, that really works well to cure this problem, and usually in just a week or so.  I have tried probably every cure there is and find this formula to be above and beyond all others in results!

 

 

 “Pano” Formula (via Patty Gropetti)

 

This conglomeration of  ingredients is mixed up together and fed once a day over food.  (All at once)

 

 

 

Alfalfa Tablets – 15

 

Cod Liver Oil  - 2 teaspoons  ( or Capsules – 10 )

 

Wheat Germ Oil – 2 Tablespoons (or Capsules equal to 30 grms)

 

Lethecin Granules – 1 teaspoon

 

Yogurt – 4 Tablespoons

 

Egg  - 1 (raw, minus shell)


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PANO Formula

 

Occasionally a growing Mastiff puppy gets “Pano” . ..  this is caused by too rapid growth of the long bones which leads to inflammation of the bones. The symptoms are limping and soreness, usually in the front end.  The most commonly affected bones are the long bones in the front legs and sometimes the shoulders.  If your puppy limps you need to have this diagnosed by a vet.  But if you do get Pano in your puppy, I have a nutritional formula passed down to me from another Mastiff breeder of many years, that really works well to cure this problem, and usually in just a week or so.  I have tried probably every cure there is and find this formula to be above and beyond all others in results!

 

 

 “Pano” Formula (via Patty Gropetti)

 

This conglomeration of  ingredients is mixed up together and fed once a day over food.  (All at once)

 

 

 

Alfalfa Tablets – 15

 

Cod Liver Oil  - 2 teaspoons  ( or Capsules – 10 )

 

Wheat Germ Oil – 2 Tablespoons (or Capsules equal to 30 grms)

 

Lethecin Granules – 1 teaspoon

 

Yogurt – 4 Tablespoons

 

Egg  - 1 (raw, minus shell)


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Bridget-be sure it is not something else too. Have him vetted. I personally don't have experience here but I didn't think pano has them yelping much? It also seems that they trot and do well, at a walk it is pronounced.
Your puppy isn't exactly presenting that way.
Good Luck and keep us updated.

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I like Patti's formula - it makes sense !  I haven't had to use it though so glad to hear it works for those who have. . .would certainly agree with the GlycoFlex stage 2. . .and, the hx Arnica (you may also have a rhus tox or ruta grav there, depending on how the dog is presenting)

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How long do you use Patty's formula?  Just until you see a difference?  Where do I buy lethicin granules, at the health food store?   Also, how much food do you think a 12 week old pup at 30 lbs needs?

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Lethicin at the health food store and I did this until I saw a difference, I also had good results switching to a salmon based kibble when we had Pano issues.
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some people feed that pano formula for months


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does it matter what kind of yogurt?  will the plain old dannon work?

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also, sorry but one recipe calls for 1 egg, the other for 2.  Which is it?

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Plain dannon good-no added sugar.
I have chix-2 eggs. if I bought them then prob 1. I don't think it is that crucial.

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Elah is having a little bout with Pano right now. At first I thought it was a strained muscle because I thought Pano was super painful and he hasn't cried. Also, I have palpated both legs several times from top to bottom, checked his pads and in between his toes. There is no swelling, heat, tenderness or soreness anywhere. I'm trying to restrict his activity as much as possible. Sometimes his limp is barely noticeable, and other times it's more pronounced. He has no problems trying to bounce around (even though I am restricting his activity as much as possible) just limping when walking. I couldn't bring myself to buy Pedigree to mix in his food, so I got Wellness Senior (it had the lowest crude protein I could find) and also alfalfa. I will buy the ingredients for Patti's recipe ASAP.
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just made the recipe (as best as I could).  They didn't have Cod Liver Oil, so I got fish oil.  They also didn't have Wheat Germ Oil, is there something I can substitute for that?  I also gave him an aspirin, I didn't want to give him a coated or chewable one in case it had Xylitol in it.
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Go to a health food store. They will have cod liver oil, wheat germ oil and lethecin granules. It is important not to substitute - the recipe works for a reason.. each ingredient is in itself important.  Stay off the asperin - an occasional one can't do much harm, but on a regular basis it will cause many problems.

Most importantly - GO TO A VET to have the problem diagnosed, usually with an x-ray. There are other things that would cause the same symptoms, like elbow dysplasia or a shoulder problem, or OCD.  There are times to save money on a vet - this is not one of them.

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Linda,
I think that sounded a little harsh. Kristie does not cut corners when it comes to her babies and she is a huge worry wart. She did take Elah to the vet the day after he started limping. She has now scheduled another visit for x-rays. This sounds like a classic pano case but I think we will both be relieved now to see the x-rays.
I do appreciate this board and all the knowledge and wisdom that yourself and other members have to offer. I just ask that you impart your knowledge without making assumptions please. Some people are very sensitive when it comes to the care of their pets and can be easily hurt by the miss-wording of given advise.

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Oh god I am sorry,, I really am. I am in a lot of pain and I gues I came accross short, and I did not mean yto hurt anyones feelings.

Please accept my appology.

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Oh thank goodness it was just a misunderstanding. Kristie is pretty distraught over her puppy not feeling well. I'm sure she will realize you were just trying to help once Elah is feeling better. Right now she's pretty sensitive.
Once again thank you Linda for this board and all your knowledge.

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Yeah, I'm frustrated and worried and miserable that there isn't more I can do to help him [frown]  I know this will pass but it's awful to deal with while it's happening [frown]

I'm sorry you don't feel good Linda, I hope you feel better soon.

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Hoping this is resolved soon Kristie, sending many positive thoughts your way.
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I've had pups come down with Pano in the past.
Generally, you'll notice a head bob or a little gimp for a couple of days then it will go away and you'll catch something else out of the corner of your eye. a couple of days later.
It will continue for weeks or months then everything will go back to normal.
Pano is an inflammation of the thick Periosteum of the long bones in young dogs.
In severe cases you can see what looks like shadows or lace on long bone X-rays.
None of mine ever cried out in pain, however.
If your dog is crying out in pain there is something seriously wrong.
Mastiffs are not screamers.
I would suspect a fractured growth plate. So its important to work it up with your vet and keep those pups buckled down in a x pen or large crate to keep them quiet.
The bad thing with pups is unless the growth plate has slipped and displaced its hard to tell. Even if the leg is xrayed. So just because your vet says he can't see anything treat it like it is a fracture.
Pups bones are mostly cartilage. Growth plates are where the bones grow their length. They are easily damaged by rough housing or jumping up or down.
If a growth plate is damaged it could stop growing on one side causing a angular limb deformity as the bone continues to grow on the other side
You need a correct diagnosis to prevent further damage. If the first vet blows it off and it does improve go somewhere else. Additionally, your pup should be on a anti inflammatory like Metacam. And something for pain like Tramadol. Which is cheap and affective. Remember though that your pups may feel no pain but keep them buckled down for at least 2-3 weeks. That means no running, playing or off lead time to go potty. Period.

If in fact it is Pano. I've cut the food the pups were on with 50% Pedigree and have seen good results within a week.

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I took him in this morning and had to leave him there so they could do X Rays over lunch.  He is home now.  He has OCD in the left shoulder with a mouse.  He also has grade 2 HD in his left rear leg.  No Pano.  He said these are growth related (which I very much agree with since his last growth spurt was the longest one yet at 3 weeks).  His growth plates have not closed so he is still growing, I am more than ready for him to stop.  They may or may not clear up on their own, time will tell and we are taking a conservative approach for now.  I will not be able to change him over totally to Wellness Senior since he is still growing.  I have to get him Glucosamine Chondroitin to supplement his diet.  He will remain on restricted activity and has a prescription for Previcox for the pain.  If he ends up needing surgery at a later date for the mouse or whatever, then he will get it.
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Hi, needing some input.
I sent Elahs x rays to a board certified ortho surgeon here in Tulsa. Spoke to the office manager and she said Dr Dean was more than willing to reveiw them and give his opinion. I told her the vets diagnosis of OCD in the left shoulder with a mouse and grade 2 HD in the left hip. She explained that these problems, if present, would not heal themselves with time and maturity and would actually get worse. If surgery is needed it would actually be better to do it young so the pup can continue to grow properly.
It took a few days for Dr Dean to actually get the x rays. His office manager called me yesterday and said Dr Dean did not see a big problem but was unwilling to say anything else because he was not familliar with the vet that gave the diagnosis...
I'm pretty frustrated right now because the more I think about it the more I realized that he really did'nt tell me anything useful... I am happy that he says there is not a big problem with Elahs joints but I would still like to know if there is a problem.
What do you guys think about the situation?

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Originally I had asked for a second opinion and assumed I would be going in to his office for a consult with the x rays. When they called to tell me they finally recieved the x rays is when I was told there was not a big problem. Nothing was said about the quality of the x rays.
Elah is in the Dallas area, I am in the Tulsa area. I will call back and get a referral in the Dallas area and ask a few more questions.
Any suggestions on what to ask?
Elah is doing better on the pain meds and I've sent him some glucosamin/chondroitin/MSM... But what if this is just Pano? I'd hate to prolong it because the pano furmula was stopped...

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What kind of food is Elah on right now?

If there is a mouse in his shoulder from the OCD it would be a good idea to get it out of there depending on the size and location. If its in a spot that it is always be grinding back and forth across the meniscus then it will continue to cause pain inside the joint. If its in a spot that its just floating and not affecting the joint itself then you'll have time.
I wouldn't stress to much about the grade II HD. There isn't much to be done except ride it out. I wouldn't do any surgery to correct it. It's also not uncommon to have some laxity in the hips on mastiffs at 5 months.

I think it could be very beneficial to start him on Cetyl-M, aka Cetyl Myristoliate, aka Myristol. The stuff is unbelievable and well worth the price.
You can google search it got now. I know amazon sells it but shop around cause you can find better prices.
Great stuff and definitely worth a try.

Good luck.

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I am more than happy to take him in to an ortho around here as soon as I can get the money to do so.  Between Elahs Vet bill and my IRS attorneys payment, my account was literally wiped out and I still have my property tax payment of $500 to come up with as well.  I have 2 antique pieces of furniture to sell, but that's it, everything else was sold off earlier this year.  I will figure out a way to get him in though.  He hasn't limped since the day after the Vet appointment and is very happy and stir crazy.  I will see if I can figure out how to post his X Rays [smile]
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Hey Kristie, stop stressing hun. Elah is feeling good right now and that is all that matters. I just really want to learn from this. The vibe I got when speaking to the office manager was that Kristies vets diagnosis was wrong but that he refused to say so because he doesn't know him. That is really frustrating to me for so many reasons.... Mostly, I want to make sure Elah is getting the best meds for whatever his condition may be and also do I need to worry about the other 11 puppies from this litter? This is my first experience with joint issues and I was hoping to get to sit with the ortho surgeon and pick his brain.... He seems unwilling so I thought I would come on the forum to get the collective advice from experienced mastiff folk. :-)

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And my new boy Elah!!!!!!

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It's cool Doll <3  I think that everyone should be able to learn from it, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I'm just cranky today because I forgot to take my antidepressant yesterday and woke up today having panic attacks because I had nightmares last night that I was drinking and doing drugs again :/  I was able to get some free samples of my antidepressant today from my Shrink and had the chewed up bottle as proof of why I needed to get some from him [smile]  Yes folks, lessoned learned, Elah ate one of my two bottles of antidepressants.  I learned that just because he has never paid any attention to the bottle before, doesn't mean that he won't finally decide one day to investigate them.  It was a scary night, but we made it through and he is fine.  My meds are now out of reach and will remain out of reach forever.  He is restless and stir crazy since he is on restricted activity, in the past two weeks he ate:  A third of a box of Tampons, 3 rolls of toilet paper, a bottle of antidepressants, and a hairbrush...  He has countless bones and toys at hand, he's just trying out new things I guess....
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Proud mom of Daisy and Gunnar who live in Heaven with God and my daddy, Grace my silly clown who makes me laugh when I cry and every opportunity she thinks she can, Oliver who beat the odds and survived the impossible, Chigger, he's an a$$ but he's my little A$$....

And my new boy Elah!!!!!!
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The doctor can read off the X-rays just fine unless the X-rays themselves are substandard. I would get to an orthopedic specialist with X-rays in hand to discuss the best course of action. I agree of the mouse is not in an area where it rubs on anything leave it alone, the hips I would to go near until growth plates are closed have seen a pretty messed up pup from early surgery when n all reality it would probably have straightened itself up with further growth. Why take him off the pano formula? These is nothing in there that should interfere with the mess, all are natural vitamins and additives to help relief joint inflammation.
Crate rest is probably going to be your best option unless the mouse is causing the pain,

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Just my opinion as always but I wouldn't put a pup through surgery over a mouse. Everyone thinks their vet surgeon is the very best . . . and even though mastiffs are big there is just so much danger with a surgery the pup might (and I did say might) grow out of. If he doesn't at least you know it's there and can start a plan of attack on the issue.

Until a concensus can be reached by at least 2 vets whether they are specialist are not, might as well go with the pano cure . . . it definitely won't hurt him and his coat will be downy soft and smooth as silk.

As uncomfortable as he would be and his attitude will be in the majorly unhappy zone he'd go in lock down at my house if he were mine.  I don't mind locking puppies up as much as it bothers me putting the older ones in the crates because the older ones really do know something is wrong or they wouldn't be in there.  And even though the pain meds are working now - this should be considered the time to find out the exact issue and get started on a plan of resolution - even if that plan is just to wait it out for awhile.  Find out how long the wait and see what plan will be and what they are waiting to happen or see happen.

I know everyone is in a major panic and I would be too.  Maybe it could be as easy as getting a 4 way with the vet, specialist, Kristie and Christen.  I would prepare the vet and specialist in advance that there will be a resolution by the end of the call so they better come with their big guns.  As everyone knows I had a horrible time getting everyone on the same page with Mina, but once I told them there would be progress and there would be a game plan and if they thought something they better have a reason they could put into words and if they didn't think something would be a viable option they better have a solid reason for their opinion.  In less than 15 minutes with everyone on the phone, we had a plan of expected results for test and why.  Things went very smoothly after that call.  Well until the results were all in and I had to be medicated . . . but other than me - everyone else set out a plan and followed it to the letter and had results when they were expected with possible resolutions everyone thought would work best.  Just my two cents - but it was better than running around chasing my tail.

And Mina and Wings got into my meds and they were inside a closed drawer . . . so it does happen.  I had to take dirty dirty drugs the rest of the month . . . go ahead and laugh everyone else did . . . . especially me picking them out of the carpet was apparently hysterical.
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Thank you.  He is doing great, he hasn't needed his pain pills since 2 days after taking him to the Vet.  There is no limping and he is still on restricted activity and will remain restricted for at least another 2 weeks.  I do not want to do surgery, not on a growing puppy who's growth plates still have not closed, in my opinion this could cause a lot more harm than good.  His hips will more than likely tighten up, and the mouse may or may not disappear on it's own.  If it is still there when his growth plates have closed, and it is causing him discomfort then I can always opt for surgery at that time.  The X Rays did lose some clarity when they were emailed to me, they were very clear and well defined at the Vets when we were looking at them, but even there they really weren't that bad at all.  My Vets opinion is that this is very mild, growth related, and will most likely resolve itself [smile]  Keeping him occupied right now has gone to a whole new level, every night I come up with a new game that we can do while he is laying or sitting on the floor next to me [smile]
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And my new boy Elah!!!!!!
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Excellent Kristie, glad to hear he is feeling better, hope you are too.
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Thank you Janine <3
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And my new boy Elah!!!!!!
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And my new boy Elah!!!!!!
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