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Suma

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Hello All,

Hope most of you on the east coast are enjoying this great weather.

Suma is about 9 months old and weighs about 120 pounds. Recently she has starting limping on her front left leg. The limping is esspecially severe when after she get up from sleeping. I have taken her to the vet, who took x-rays with no result. He said there is nothing wrong with her bones and that he could not see anything. She has been limping for about 3 weeks now and is on Tramadol and Rimadyl. I dont know what to do and would appreciate any input...

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http://www.pgaa.com/CANINE/health/rimadylwarning.html

http://www.srdogs.com/Pages/rimadylfr.html


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Please don't give her those meds...............Rimadyl especially.  She should be kept crated and quiet and walked on a leash.  No playing or romping around with anyone or other dogs.  She should heal. 

She is a puppy and if the vet saw nothing, she probably just hurt herself while playing.  Most likely not an issue.  If this continues, look for a good acupuncturist in your area.  If you have a hard time finding one, let me know and I'll give you a great website to find one in the area who was trained by Dr. Xie from the U of F.  He is a world reknowned veterinary acupuncturist and EXCELLENT!

Give her a couple of weeks rest and then go from there if it persists.

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...............Rimadyl especially. 
 
I agree on this one ,many dogs have died on this Med ,
They have had a lawsuit against the drug company
 
I know most of the pain drugs for dogs are not good .
BUT TOO ME RYMDYL IS THE WORST ,i USE DERMAX
and then only half of what the Vet says
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Just a thought:

Have you actually examined the underside of her paw?  If it's pink or red it might be yeast related.  Did you look for any swelling?  Is her crate big enough so she can turn herself around in it?

I'd keep a close eye out for any changes in the foot such as swelling...


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I'd like to tell you all about something that happened about 5 or 6 years ago.  We sold a puppy (harle bitch) to a couple for show.  She was a Zuni daughter (Zuni was my dog and had been number 1 for a couple of years..............and this pup was a female version of him..........amazing.  At any rate, when she was about 14 months of age, her owner delivered her to me in Perry, Ga for her first shows. 

The first day, I noticed an obvious limp coming from her front right shoulder.  That night I called the owner who said she had been limping on and off for quite some time.  Never thought to call me, but I had no time to get into it, so the next day, I gave her 1/2 aspirin.  She was fine, got a couple of points and the same thing the next day.

When I got home, I quickly took her to the Vet who Xrayed her and told me she had a lesion in the joint of the shoulder.  She showed me the Xray and I saw nothing of what she described.  She asked her age and said it was imperative that surgery be performed immediately. 

I asked her for the Xrays and took her to a Veterinary Hospital in Winter Park where you give all the info and your credit card and go from there.  I had spoken with the owner who wanted her to have the surgery, but I opted not to dive into that without another opinion.

After a full day of all kinds of tests including a bone scan, they could see nothing.

I then made an appointment with an acupuncturist who first went over her very lightly with his hands (it was amazing) and found the spot because when he applied a little pressure she winced.  He then gave her electrically stimulated acupuncture and suggested she have a follow-up with someone he trained and closer to where I live.  I decided not to because she really was fine and I had to go out of town and had a huge lineup of shows on my itinerary.

She was absolutely fine after that, but I did follow up with a couple of more treatments with the original acupuncturist.

Now this story is a doozy!  I called the owner who admitted that when the puppy was about 3 months old she was in the car with her driving and jumped out of the window and all she did was have a scrape on her front right shoulder.........................  Let me tell you all.  I'm not a screamer, but she didn't need a phone I screamed at her so loud and told her what the ramifications could have been had I not done what I did.  Surgery would have ruined this bitch's career. 

Oh, I forgot to tell you something.  The vet that wanted to do the Xray also told me she was developing Arthritis in the shoulder.  The second opinion vets saw absolutely NOTHING.

So to all of you.  No matter how much you love your vet and I love this vet.........she is a personal friend of mine.  Get a second opinion when they want to give your puppy serious drugs or operate.  Please.  Most pet people accept everything a vet says as the word of G-d. 

If it was your human child, you'd ask more questions, I'm sure.

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If It was me I would take her off the meds. Put her on a good quality large breed puppy food like Eagle pack holistic large breed puppy food. If you already have her on a large breed puppy food then here is the pano recipe. That's what it sounds like to me but cant say since I haven't seen her. Pano is do because the teeth are pulling to much and the food is not providing what they need so its pulling from the bones. Also known as growing pains.

I would do that and see how she is in a week. I would bet you see and inprovment. Its all in the food and natural not vets or med's.



  

PANO Formula

 

Occasionally a growing Mastiff puppy gets “Pano” . ..  this is caused by too rapid growth of the long bones which leads to inflammation of the bones. The symptoms are limping and soreness, usually in the front end.  The most commonly affected bones are the long bones in the front legs and sometimes the shoulders.  If your puppy limps you need to have this diagnosed by a vet.  But if you do get Pano in your puppy, I have a nutritional formula passed down to me from another Mastiff breeder of many years, that really works well to cure this problem, and usually in just a week or so.  I have tried probably every cure there is and find this formula to be above and beyond all others in results!

 

 

 “Pano” Formula (via Patty Gropetti)

 

This conglomeration of  ingredients is mixed up together and fed once a day over food.  (All at once)

 

 

 

Alfalfa Tablets – 15

 

Cod Liver Oil  - 2 teaspoons  ( or Capsules – 10 )

 

Wheat Germ Oil – 2 Tablespoons (or Capsules equal to 30 grms)

 

Lethecin Granules – 1 teaspoon

 

Yogurt – 4 Tablespoons

 

Egg  - 1 (raw, minus shell)

 

 


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Hi,
We have a 3 1/2 year old bullmastiff that has limped on her front leg since she was about a year old, especially when she gets up from laying down.  It almost seems as if one front leg is a little longer than the other which causes this weird limp.  We have had xrays but they show nothing.  Her paws are fine.  And the vets don't have any concrete ideas.  We did give her dermax and plenty of rest when this first appeared but over the past couple of years it has not changed.  She shows no signs of pain and loves to run and chase things and the limp seems to disappear when she is bolting across the yard.  She will run with me on leash and is in complete joy when doing so.

I hope you find what the problem is.  I worry about how this will affect our dog as she ages.

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Thank you all for those advices.
I stopped immediately giving her Rimagyl and Tramadol.
I give Suma one tablet of Glucosamine. Is this recommended? .Suma is also on the RMB - diet and prefers eating chicken leg quarters.But she also eats organ meat and veggies....
We live in NC and I would like to know where to contact an Vet acupuncturer.
Thanks again for your help.
Suma is my first Mastiff and I love her.
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I'm sorry to hear about your dog!  I'm with Lorie - sounds like pano.  A good friend's mastiff who's a month older than yours was at first diagnosed with OCD.  Thankfully it was NOT that (a long story) and is being treated for pano.  Accupuncture is part of the treatment and since I'm a huge believer in it, don't think it can hurt to try it.  JMO. 


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Pano.....It usually does not show up on an xray, unless you catch it just at the right time for the xray....Crate rest and potty on a leash...We also put our dogs on the lowest protein I can find..Dog Chow til it goes away...Pano is inflamation of the long bone and can jump from leg to leg.

http://www.petngarden.com/dogs/dogs41.php

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http://www.netpets.org/dogs/healthspa/boned.html


Description

This article is from the Canine Medical Information FAQ, by Cindy Tittle Moore with numerous contributions by others.

40 Panosteitis (puppy limp)

Also called pano, this is an inflammation of the membrane covering the
bone and is relatively common. Rest, quiet, and sometimes a
vet-approved painkiller are generally recommended for the puppy. Some
vets recommend a reduced protien (usually an adult mixture) diet. This
can strike anytime between 6-18 months of age and rarely lasts past
two years of age.

If the limping goes from leg to leg (i.e., one day the dog limps on
the right rear leg and the next it limps on the left front), it is
very likely pano. Pano can also be diagnosed via x-rays.

Fortunately, lasting effects are uncommon, and most puppies outgrow
it. It is not known what causes pano, the belief is that there is
either a hereditary link, perhaps just a predisposition toward,
causing pano.

http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/depano.html


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Puppy limping (pano) is like the common cold: do nothing and it will get better in two weeks, invest in a load of remedies and it will take just fourteen days!

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  .Suma is also on the RMB - diet and prefers eating chicken leg quarters.But she also eats organ meat and veggies....
 


Thats your problem right there. I would never sell a puppy to someone that would feed it a raw diet. Yes slam away but until someone can prove to me that they can pass OFA's after being raised on it then I may rethink this. I find it funny that many that feed a raw diet dont test their dogs.

People want a breeder to guarantee a pup but want to feed it a diet that you, meaning in general not specific, can not regulate the calcium phosphorous levels. Which is what causes pano.

Thats why you have a pano problem. Put her on a good quality LB puppy food until she is 18 months old then if you want to feed raw then go ahead but you are not doing your puppy any favors by feeding that type to her now.

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Lorie, I must respectfully disagree.  I have friends/breeders who have fed raw for years, clear OFA, show to CH and to the best of my knowledge haven't had any pano problems.  However, having said that, there are MANY different raw diets out there just as there is kibble and each dog is different too.  JMHO


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I am happy for them but its is more rarity than common. I know many people over the years that have and do feed raw. many dogs dont pass ofa with anything better than a far and same line when changed to regular food started testing out good remember here same lines. So maybe they have it down and it would work with smaller breeds but does not work well with growing mastiff puppies. Just my experience.

AS I said bash a way But I have been around a long time and I have reasons for what I believe. I dont mean that you bashed but others will.

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No bashing intended Lorie - just another point of view and I respect that everyone has their own too!


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I have to interject here.  And this is my opinion and my experience.

My bullie that I mentioned in the earlier post was on kibble when she developed her leg issue.  One of my mastiffs has been on raw since 9 months and the other since eight weeks.  Neither have had any pano, or any problems.  My puppy that has been on raw since 8 weeks has grown very consistent and steady. 

I will chance the assumed risk that my dogs may not pass OFA (which I will not be testing for anyway because I am not going to breed) for the multitude of other wonderful benefits that the raw diet gives my dogs.

To each his own......
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Suma, if the limping has been going on that long, and you have had her confined and you've seen no improvement, i would take her to an Ortho.
I would put her Glyco-Flex and fish oils and get her checked.
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