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Evolution of size, is typically commensurate with the ability to maintain a food supply, in order to sustain a large body & frame. Herbivores typically have their food supply at their feet, and in a lush environment can eventually produce animals of great size. From elephants to dinosaurs, great size correlates to abundance of resources in the food chain.

So how does this relate the giant breeds of dogs?

In a natural setting, unless you are a wolf, size of most canids are relatively small. It took man's intervention to sustain giant types. Smaller dogs were always available and could be acquired fairly easily by early man, either for specific hunting tasks, or for eating. These smaller types did not have to be maintained in specific ways, or bred carefully, since a mongrel served it's various purposes in it's many lesser shapes & forms.

But when it came to the giants as guards, or hunting large prey, more interaction with man was necessary. in fact, without man's intervention these giant breeds would not have formed on their own.

Which leads to the theory of connectivity and involvement of giants with man throughout the millennium. Giants had to be maintained by man, otherwise, they would have just devolved back into their lesser forms. Therefore, one can infer, that giants have had a much closer relationship to man than most other breed types. This relationship, in all probability. was unbroken and flowed into the present more or less intact. It's a repository of the genetics created by the ancients, which modern breeders were able to tap into and form the specific giant breeds we see today.
http://www.cmaa-museum.org/meso09.html


Mesopotamian Terracotta Dog with Kassite Cross
Isin(?), Mesopotamia; 1800-1600 BC; 11 inches

The tan terracotta statue of a dog is related to the modern breed of mastiffs. The dog has an open mouth ó perhaps barking ó heavy jowls, a collar and a Kassite cross on top of his head. His front legs are missing. Large when compared to surviving Mesopotamian art, this statue was once painted brown like dog's fur. Traces of ancient paint still remain. Only one other large Mesopotamian statue of a dog is known. It belongs to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

Possibly from Isin, a major Babylonian city and site of the main temple for the healing goddess Gula, the dog was likely a cult statue used in healing practices. The Kassite cross pre-dates Christianity by more than 1,000 years.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
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So how does this relate to the giant breeds of dogs?..corrected*
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Modern Dog Breeds Genetically Disconnected from Ancient Ancestors

ScienceDaily (May 21, 2012) — Cross-breeding of dogs over thousands of years has made it extremely difficult to trace the ancient genetic roots of today's pets, according to a new study led by Durham University.

An international team of scientists analyzed data of the genetic make-up of modern-day dogs, alongside an assessment of the global archaeological record of dog remains, and found that modern breeds genetically have little in common with their ancient ancestors.

Dogs were the first domesticated animals and the researchers say their findings will ultimately lead to greater understanding of dogs' origins and the development of early human civilization.

Although many modern breeds look like those depicted in ancient texts or in Egyptian pyramids, cross-breeding across thousands of years has meant that it is not accurate to label any modern breeds as "ancient," the researchers said.

Breeds such as the Akita, Afghan Hound and Chinese Shar-Pei, which have been classed as "ancient," are no closer to the first domestic dogs than other breeds due to the effects of lots of cross-breeding, the study found.

Other effects on the genetic diversity of domestic dogs include patterns of human movement and the impact on dog population sizes caused by major events, such as the two World Wars, the researchers added.

The findings were published May 21 in the scientific journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA (PNAS). The Durham-led research team was made up of scientists from a number of universities including Uppsala University, Sweden, and the Broad Institute, in the USA.

In total the researchers analysed genetic data from 1,375 dogs representing 35 breeds. They also looked at data showing genetic samples of wolves, with recent genetic studies suggesting that dogs are exclusively descended from the grey wolf.

Lead author Dr Greger Larson, an evolutionary biologist in Durham University's Department of Archaeology, said the study demonstrated that there is still a lot we do not know about the early history of dog domestication including where, when, and how many times it took place.

Dr Larson added: "We really love our dogs and they have accompanied us across every continent.

"Ironically, the ubiquity of dogs combined with their deep history has obscured their origins and made it difficult for us to know how dogs became man's best friend.

"All dogs have undergone significant amounts of cross-breeding to the point that we have not yet been able to trace all the way back to their very first ancestors."

Several breeds, including Basenjis, Salukis and Dingoes, possess a differing genetic signature, which previous studies have claimed to be evidence for their ancient heritage, the research found.

However the study said that the unique genetic signatures in these dogs was not present because of a direct heritage with ancient dogs. Instead these animals appeared genetically different because they were geographically isolated and were not part of the 19th Century Victorian-initiated Kennel Clubs that blended lineages to create most of the breeds we keep as pets today.

The study also suggested that within the 15,000 year history of dog domestication, keeping dogs as pets only began 2,000 years ago and that until very recently, the vast majority of dogs were used to do specific jobs.

Dr Larson said: "Both the appearance and behavior of modern breeds would be deeply strange to our ancestors who lived just a few hundred years ago.

"And so far, anyway, studying modern breeds hasn't yet allowed us to understand how, where and when dogs and humans first started this wonderful relationship."

The researchers added that DNA sequencing technology is faster and cheaper than ever and could soon lead to further insights into the domestication and subsequent evolution of dogs.


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
TEST YOUR DOGS!
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