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I was wondering for those who have seen Kazia recently *last day or so* if they could tell us how long her hair is now..............

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I'm not a mastiff owner... in fact I've only met a handful of them. But a friend sent me this story, and it just ripped my heart out. Seeing those beautiful dogs in such a horrible state... wow, horrendous. First my heart broke, then I was ready to puke. I am in shock that anyone could do that to such a beautiful dog.  I just wanted to let you know that my prayers are with you all and these beautiful dogs. I can't imagine how heartbroken you must be. I hope that these dogs and you all get justice.
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AMASHA, SORRY I MISSED YOUR CALL. I KEEP SAYING I'M GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP, BUT I KEEP GETTING A ZILLION PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS. PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL TOMORROW ON THE CELL. THANKS,
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Wasn't Montana from you???  I could have sworn I remember Gloria talking about importing a bitch from you about 5 or 6 years ago.  I was interested in seeing her in person and had hoped that Gloria would bring her to Bucks, but I don't think she ever did.
My memory really sucks any more.  Somebody help me out here.  It was back when the Typey list first came about.  Anybody??
 U r warm....but  MOST DEFINITELY NOT!!!!! Gloria NEVER owned a Hunzeal bitch and she was NEVER going to own one! Though I was her
' Worlds Apart friend "! 
But that's when she first contacted me to say that she 'was delighted to have a Hunzeal bitch!' I hit the roof! Though tried to be 'nice' to a person who was pleased as Punch!
 That was a lovely case of breeder bashing so well done on lists......one of my absolute successful public flamers on this very List advised the breeder of Montana's grandparents to put the two Hunzeal dogs together in spite of my agreement with the purchaser  NEVER to do so! This great 'pedigree expert' who bred nothing of ' note' & has not owned a Mastiff for years just knew it better than the breeder, (ME)! Incidentally BOTH Hunzeal dogs had excellent hips & elbows but I did a similar mating with Damaria Powerful Magic & his grand-daughter...came a cropper. I did NOT want some poor unsuspecting newby with less of an eye for problems to come a cropper...but ' I was jealous & didn't want others to breed the quality Mastiff I bred'...& the mating went ahead...the daughter was put to another Australian prefix I had NO intention to deal with ...then a 'Father daughter mating' of the same. That was the lovely Montana bred by a ONE TIME breeder! I was spitting chips, sitting on my tongue when G. contacted me! BTW..both parties are good ' friend' now.
Nevertheless SURPRISE Gloria came a cropper with Montana ..who knows? She may have shot her?? Allegedly she was euthanized before she turned 4 years of age! So things must have been grim!
Whist on the subject of Gloria,
 After cussing Gloria in my last post...I have just realized one thing, in my disgust I overlooked the fact that, ...whilst I was in TN for the 3-4 weeks, back in late Dec 2006....though she did thing differently from me & by MY standards in an appalling  conditions..I have to say, she was a very hard worker and WITHOUT fail, rain, hail, blizzard or shine she DID do her dogs TWICE a day...They were all let out, ( from the smaller pens) watered twice each & every day and fed once...sure, in those revolting big buckets what they could step in with muddy, shitty feet & they did as several dogs were kennelled together.....but the buckets were CLEANED...twice. She LOVED Hammer, he was her ONLY dog that was a very good size. She loved him for that!  She also loved Tilly as she was her' English type Mastiff'.....she always took esp. good care of them THEN....and she had crates on crates for her poor Chihuahuas on top of each other....disgusting...but I bet she is NOT alone in that!  By the time I left most Chihuahuas & Pugs were GONE! I had to share this to be fair. I cannot fathom just HOW things sunk this low???
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A few inches, but I've got a great wig that makes me look like a geriatric Hannah Montana.
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Reading through these posts , it seems almost obvious there are far to many people who bred Mastiffs , and that for highly ranging reasons . History tells the difficulty of breeding genuine Mastiffs , so it seems not to be appropriate everyone who owns a female to breed from her , in order to have such cute puppies . Those cuties grow up and they all deserve a good home & care as a full house friend who NEEDS human interaction in order to develop its wonderful character . If one isn’t able , and that in a definite level , to secure this process of thinking , if one isn’t able to do the highest efforts re betterment of the breed re health , temperament & type , one should think more than twice before starting as a breeder of Mastiffs .

Sad things has happened over there , things has settled for the good in the matter involved with , but now it seems the time for contemplating about the future keys for improvement re our breed annex ‘positive’ cooperation between the dedicated ones . I’m sure it’s possible , so go for it and , yes , ‘evilness’ vs our breed must be tackled in a hard & honest way , but try to leave the ‘sour path of ‘only’ focusing’ on the demolition of that ‘evilness’, and that by concentrating upon one’ own strategies for better Mastiffs in all perspectives , so everyone should firstly ‘brush its own doorstep’ .

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Kazia, I will give u a call, but this time I want to get the truth. Were the dogs shot? So many CONFLICTING reports. Why aren't people out there looking for Gloria? Surely, this amount of cruelty must be a jailable offence?


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Hi Amasha, I can't believe I'm still up. I must go to bed right after this post. This is NUTS. Yes, there were some dogs that were shot, but they were the ones that Gloria had hidden under the tarp, plus I pointed out to Catie that Lana looked to me like she had been shot in the head. I asked the officer to take a look at Lana and he seemed to agree. Max and Tilly were not shot. Also, Gloria sent you that email about Max on Feb. 8th, not Dec. 8th. I think you might be confusing that when she told you that she had 'lost' Ella and Lana. People are DEFINITELY looking for Gloria. I've been talking with them every day. Also, when I mentioned in one of my previous posts that the brindle males that were at the shelter were J.C. and Hawk, I forgot to include Junior. He's there too. Linda was afraid it might have been my Bogey that I got from her, but J.C., Hawk and Junior were all fairly short and also very dark. My Bogey was at least 34" or better and 'standard' brindle markings.

I KNOW that G must have driven past here last night. I deliberately left her mail in the box out front and it was gone today. I honestly think she's got some of the bitches over at Susan's. Catie said they were probably pregnant, and that would explain why she took them before she'd take J.C. $$$$$$
Now I'm going to bed for real and I hope to sleep a full 8 hours. Talk to you tomorrow. Please call the cell. I don't answer Gloria's phone.
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Kazia, I did NOT call today, I need to try to digest all this! Will call 2morrow...to get some closure.
 My mistake, please Crossroads don't bother flaming me! I am TIRED! SPENT! 
Yes, G's last brief email I posted now twice was on the 8th of Feb! ..The day Max supposed to have died...I always though she BRED Max...the way she spoke about him....that's the last time I heard...must have spoken to her 3-4??? weeks b4 that.
Again...NO flaming, please! I phoned on my phone card so I have NO accurate record...again, I have to say, all seemed ' normal'....she was in love, 'tending to her dogs!' kept ringing a couple of more times to see if she was OK after Max..she supposed to have LOVED him!...got Kazia but NOT to talk about how things really were until days LATER....

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Kristyn Walsh on Facebook is compiling all photos she can get of Lionhearted dogs, she is up to 51 and I have to say it is so emotional to see all the gorgeous photos. JC is beautiful... as are many many more. Definitely worth seeing this album.. what a tribute to the DOGS....


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Thank you Catie and Crystal.

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My suggestion to anyone who co-owns a dog with this Kazia, or bred a dog she has and has a contract with terms about the dogs being taken care of, should be getting copies of as much of the true evidence as possible and hiring yourself a civil lawyer to sue her to get your dogs back.  She has no business with anything above pet rock level, period.  Not only did she apparently sit by as dogs died, but she just left them lie there to rot as she lived in the stench.  If nothing else, that speaks volumes in itself.  Money may be tight, but if you want these dogs not to share the same fate, it might be a wise investment.  Who knows, maybe even the right lawyer will cut you a decent deal on it.  Dogs know death, dogs smell death, imagine those dogs of hers smelling and knowing and perhaps even wondering if they are next....

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I am in no way trying to steal thunder away from this post. This circumstance has brought SSMR to the forefront and I wanted to share this with you.

 

Many many of you are directly involved in rescue all over the US and/or have supported it financially through the years. Being ready and available to assist in these kinds of circumstances highlights why all of the support and experience we gain on a daily basis is so important.

 

These pictures are NOT one of the South Carolina dogs.

This is Delta in NC  - taken in on 2/12/10

 

 

 

Ms. Delta came into NC rescue this past Friday 2/12/10  She was a stray and picked up by Animal control. Her story is sad but is getting much better. If you would like to see her video follow this link

 

 

I took it yesterday while visiting her at the Pet Resort where she is being housed until we can get her to a foster home. Ms. Delta and the dogs in this thread are why we do what we do.

 

Thanks to everyone for your big hearts and you continueing support of mastiffs in need.

 

I'll start a separate thread for Ms. Delta so to not clog this thread if anyone wants to make a comment or get more info.

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I have wanted to say this for days.  I have wanted to SCREAM this so many times.  Now I am.
People - make this about the DOGS!!

DOGS died - their mode of death is unimportant.  At this point, even the breed is irrelevant.  Bottom line - DOGS died at the hands of despicable, worthless humans (and YES, I say HUMANS - plural).  "YOU" may not have literally killed these dogs, but by being complicit in their treatment "YOU" too had an hand in their deaths.  "YOU" know who you are.  Allowing this to go on, not stepping in to stop it, is called aiding and abetting.  YOU might get away with it in this world, but YOU will be judged in the next.

DOGS were abandoned.  Again, by the actions of despicable, worthless humans!!  Again, not stepping in to stop it, not doing all in your power to help these dogs makes YOU just as guilty as the person who left them.

DOGS are homeless.  Will YOU step in to help any of them?  I hope not.  YOU didn't help them when they really needed it.


DOGS have survived.  THIS is not because of something "YOU" did to help.  This is because GOOD people have stepped in, stepped in IMMEDIATELY, as soon as they knew, to help the DOGS.  They made this all about the DOGS.  The ONLY injured parties here are the DOGS, and those people like Catie, Crystal, Shirley, Jill and others who put their love for Mastiffs before all else - who put the DOGS first.

Now, quit trying to defend actions that have no defense.  Quit lying to yourself to cover up your guilt.  Quit lying to others to make yourself look the injured party.


DAMN IT!  QUIT BEING SO F***ING SELFISH AND THINKING OF ONLY YOURSELF.

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.  YOU ARE ANYBODY WHO LET THIS HAPPEN, ANYBODY WHO HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE THAT COULD HAVE SAVED EVEN ONE PRECIOUS LIFE, ANYBODY WHO SAW AND KEPT QUIET.

FOR ONCE IN
YOUR LIFE; FOR GODS SAKE; MAKE IT ABOUT THE
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Kristyn Walsh on Facebook is compiling all photos she can get of Lionhearted dogs, she is up to 51 and I have to say it is so emotional to see all the gorgeous photos. JC is beautiful... as are many many more. Definitely worth seeing this album.. what a tribute to the DOGS....



I was told Petes boy Angus s picture was posted. It needs to be removed as Pete told Gloria many times to remove his picture from that website. I know Pete does not want his picture assosated with Gloria..  So please remeove it will be the one of the brindle jumping a jump

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 U r warm....but  MOST DEFINITELY NOT!!!!! Gloria NEVER owned a Hunzeal bitch and she was NEVER going to own one! Though I was her
' Worlds Apart friend "! 
But that's when she first contacted me to say that she 'was delighted to have a Hunzeal bitch!'

Ok.  That would make sense then.  She carried the Hunzeal name?  Or just had the blood.
 
Your comment on the care of her animals (which I would say we all feel was bad gone to worse) but what of her breeding practices?  Does anyone have evidence that she falsified pedigrees, made random choices, anything like that?  Yes, we can all see now that she had far too many breeds to manage responsibly (It's hard enough for me to keep track of one!  And ours comes from a very small gene pool), But was it more of the Mastiffs were where she put her effort and the other were just the money makers?
 
 

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I just want to set the record straight, the female they are talking about "Montana" was NOT one of my dogs.

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Terri,

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

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I just want to set the record straight, the female they are talking about "Montana" was NOT one of my dogs.

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Montana was the dogs' call name. I can't remember her registered name (anyone else???)  I think it was quite clear that she was an import from Australia. 

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I had been told by Gloria, years ago, that she had imported a bitch from Hunzeal.  I had either never heard the truth or did not remember ( quite common for me, but that's why I don't spin webs of lies.  Too much remembering!) that Amasha was not her breeder. 

I don't even know you and I am not looking to start a flame war with you, but this is how unnecessary arguments occur.  If everyone would take a breath, take a moment to clarify an ambiguous topic and reread your post BEFORE you send it, it may avoid gratuitous confrontations in the future. 

I have read a good many posts on this thread where people jumped to conclusions.  You kind of have to think like a detective.  Wait until you have gathered all of the facts.  Let me say that again...FACTS. Not hearsay.  Take those facts and piece them together like a puzzle.  Then you should make your judgement.

I must say though, there is at least one person here who seems to be working from about 5 or 6 different puzzles!

Sorry.  This went a little more than just clarifying my original point!  

**Also, just on a personal note to everyone.  Proper (or at least an attempt at ) punctuation makes reading these posts much easier and more concise. May I suggest the two keys to the right of the "m" on your key board? 


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I can tell you, I am not or nor ever will make this about myself or I did this to try to look good! I care less how I come off when it comes to how I feel about this breed. I don't post often or rub elbows with "big wigs" I enjoy my Mastiffs and help when I can.
 
I have had alot of life changing events over the last year. My life is about my newly aquired family (my nieces) and my Mastiffs. I feel very fortunate to own my animals and I see too much devistation and I am fortunate enough to be able to reach out and help when I can. I appreciate the "thank you's" and private messages but I swear this is not why I done it. I DID IT FOR THE DOGS,PERIOD! I am not that damn selfish, it has always been about the dogs for me! Hell I have not had my own litter in over 5 years, I have been fortunate enough to co-breed a couple of nice litters with some friends.
 
I can tell you what I saw yesterday was the most horrific death camp I have ever seen. The reason I said Catie was a hell of a woman was due to the fact that by the time I arrived she had them wrapped up. Catie and I have had our difference's and had not really spoken in several months. When she asked for help, I went. When I arrived these Mastiffs had been lying on top of the ground for weeks. Decayed and rotted! CATIE ARNEY wrapped these Mastiffs up, not leaving the guts laying around, not leaving one damn piece of their bodies to lye in rot.
 
You will never understand what kind of person it took to do what she did. Understand these dogs were bloated swollen, open bodies and Catie made sure every piece of the Mastiff went with that Mastiff. I will be grateful for her because I was there and I saw the gruesome task she did. These dogs had NO shelter and you could see where they tried to bed into the fecees and mud to stay warm. 5 of the Mastiffs had gun shot wounds in the top of the head. I do not know which one's specifically but that was what I was told from AC.
 
It was way worse than the photo's that were posted. This was a "death camp" yes the dogs did suffer. Right now rescue cannot take money to help the survivors but we have dogs in rescue that we can help. Terri, I can tell you by god it has always been about the Mastiffs for me and will only speak for myself and what I saw.

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I never thought any differently where you were concerned Crystal.  You have my utmost respect for the job you helped do.

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Steve, I usually do say what I feel.  Today, I just broke and wanted to stomp my feet and throw a temper tantrum - and I did!

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You're entitled!


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I have to tell you gals that I think you are wonderful. I am moved beyond words to describe how much I am in awe of what you did. 
 
I have to thank so many of you for your very personal and warm thoughts that you have taken the time to send me - privately - they mean so much to me. They have helped me through a most difficult time, helping me to controll the utter rage that I have been feeling.
 
Hopefully some good will eventually come from all of this - if nothing else lessions learned. We have learned that no matter what our personal differences are, we are all dog lovers at heart (well, at least most of us are - I know two who are not) and we can move mountains when we work together.
 
This not over at all - but we are getting some closure to the situation. Hopefully we have saved some -
 
If you want to help - please make a donation to Southern States Mastiff Rescue..
 
Another way you can help is to sent the Forum link to as many people as you can - any breed - it may help save others.



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One of my Facebook friends sent me this....
I believe the address was from 2000
 
By Ch Avalons Tucson Warrior - Lionhearted Blackberry's Gypsy.
Owner: Gloria Davis., Live Oak, FL 320605554. Breeder: JoAnn S Young & Gloria Davis.

She also found this....

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To those of you that did the clean up, that went in and saved the dogs that could be saved - bravo.  You deserve so much more but words can't express the gratitude for what you did.  It couldn't have been any harder, I'm sure, yet you summoned the fortitude to go forward and do what must be done. Thank you.

Kazia, there's no way that you could have been "back and forth" and not have seen those animals wasting away and standing in mud and filth. 

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This is a message to Kazia,
YOU are as guilty as Gloria for this, was this not a part of 1 of your postings?

"I've had my differences with both Catie and Crystal in the past, and they've had some of their own issues, but damn it, I have to say they stepped up to the plate and got the job done. It's nice to be able to walk out in the yard now and not have to look at these poor dogs."

You witnessed there suffering, how could you do it? And your ment to a a dog lover and a breeder? Glad I live in england cause I would not want to end up buying a puppy form someone like you or Gloria and lining your greedy pockets cause obviously hardly any of the money earnt went on the dogs care. This took a matter of months not minutes and you left them there! You watched them suffer, starve and freeze to death? You make me and a million others sick!

A message to everyone else
Is there no way that the post she put up could be sent to the police as evidence that she allowed these dogs to suffer? Surely she can be charged for allowing these animals suffering as well.

My thoughts are with those who's dogs ended up as they did. Thankfully I believe Karma calls in the end!

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I cannot imagine the AKC not banning Gloria and Kazia for life. They will still be able to register litters under other peoples names, but being banned for life would be a good start.

Another thought is having a mastiff version of America's Most Wanted. I'm sure that Gloria and Kazia wouldn't be the only ones on that list!

I also wonder how many regional clubs are taking a look inward at current members, no matter how famous or important to the club's finances, and check on the conditions at that kennel or home. As Ronald Reagan said, ''trust but verify.''

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Wow.  I have not been active on the boards in the last year and I was told about this situation.  This saddens me to no end.  No matter who, what, where, when or how....it is simply horrid.  My heart goes out to those poor babies that rely on us humans and humans failed them.  I am utterly dumb founded over this....

Rest in peace babies..

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I also think that the person/ people responsible for this should live in those same conditions as those mastiffs were...then once they were weak and freezing...shot like they were....Just my humble opinion.


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I have been following this thread for a few days now.  It amazes me how quickly blame has been shifted from Gloria to Kazia just because Gloria has not had enough guts to take responsibility for killing her dogs.

Shame on all of you for jumping to such quick conclusions when you have absolutely nothing to base those conclusions on.

Until we have been in Kazia's shoes, none of us know how we would have reacted or what we would have done. 

Kazia I'm so sorry you had to live with all this death surrounding you and all you have done is try to do what was right.

To Catie and Crystal thank you for doing what you did. 
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Really??  Kazia's nasty shoes have been walking around in her yard full of dead Mastiffs for a month or more.  I wouldn't even consider walking in her shoes.  Nobody should be feeling any sorrow for Kazia...trust me. 

I can say with 100% certainty that I would never in a million years have allowed those dogs to suffer.  I would never have allowed them to go hungry.  I would never have allowed them to live in squalor conditions.  In fact, I'm pretty sure everybody on this board can say we would never have worn her nasty shoes and we would never have done what the hell she did so.........you might be singing the wrong tune here.  Who are you anyway??

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As I said I have not walked in Kazia's shoes.  Jennifer, have you heard all sides of this story?  Have you talked to Gloria?  Clearly Gloria has been a troubled woman for many years as many have said.

Being a Christian I will not cast judgement on someone else. 
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Im suspicious of anyone making their first post in defense of the people in the hot seat.


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They probably have the same IP, or an IP from a local library

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I used to be a mod on another forum. You can most definitely see the IP addresses and search to see which login names use the same IP. Also most "fakers" use the same email address variations just different providers.


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My thoughts and prayers go out to you all that had pups involved with this terrible act of cruelty!  May all the beautiful babies rest in peace on the other side of the rainbow, happy, playing, and safe.  May Saint Francis of Assisi watch over the ones that are still alive, and take care of the ones that are in heaven!   This is terrible and makes me cry, I hope this does not happen ever again!  

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Was going through 2,000+ pictures today and came across the picture of the bitch that Hunzeal was talking about named Montana.
Here she is...

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Well that would have just been down right embarrassing... had I not used spell check (you might want to heed your own advice ).  Not sure why the corrections didn't occur, but I will be sure to reread my posts twice now before sending.  Thanks!.


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I Just caught a link on face book to here, and have been reading through this forum posts,
I look at my babies, and I am horrified at how someone is capable of doing this to an animal let alone a mastiff, someone so undeserving of their love and devotion, 
The thought of how these poor babies waited with faith that you would return and everything would be okay. You are not worthy of a dog, You are looking up to the bottom feeders lady!
God will judge you

How horrible for the breeders of those dogs, Those pictures are heart breaking.
I look at my babies and can not image the thought of them being left like that, and how I would feel.
I hope you will see some form of justice upon this terrible person who did this to your babies.
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PLEEEEEASE get off HUNZEAL's case ..'Montana' was NOT a Hunzeal breeding, I would have NEVER bred her, let alone exported her. What's wrong with u guys???
Her grandparents on the dam's side were 2 Hunzeal dogs bred together TOTALLY against my wishes! ( Not that there was anything wrong with them b4 you all jump and flame me, BOTH were health tested & SOUND! The deal was NOT to breed them together!) She may have been a lovely bitch, I hope so, but NOT a Hunzeal prefix! Nor were either of her parents a Hunzeal prefix!  That's when Gloria got in touch with me proud as Punch she 'got a Hunzeal bitch',...NOT!
I am proud to put my name to dogs, good, bad or indifferent but pleeeease let ME breed them! I am sorry if you mean well...this is the 3rd time I am saying the SAME thing. There are so much more important things to focus on!

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PLEEEEEASE get off HUNZEAL's case ..'Montana' was NOT a Hunzeal breeding, I would have NEVER bred her, let alone exported her. What's wrong with u guys???


Amasha ~ Much of the peoples rage over this situation has blinded them to many facts about your relationship with Gloria. I think many may have skipped over the parts of this thread that stated you came here on vacation and wound up spending your time and money seeing to the needs of her dogs, fencing, shelter, feeding and veterinary care. I do not understand why so many here in the states who know our laws and turned a blind eye, are now trying to shift the blame to you the foreign tourist. This sociopath has been puppeteer to many on our own soil. I truly believe you are  just another one of her victims. There were many here in the states who knew of the recent conditions of the dogs dead and alive. They circulated photos of the dead dogs privately. Yet you were the first to come public and alert us.

Anyone can go to the AKC online store and buy Montana's pedigree. This will list the name of the true breeder. If your name is not on the document this clears you.  What was Montana's registered name ?


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This kept me awake last night..the pictures of Tilly and Max haunted me.  How can anyone watch these dogs die?  I just don't get it.  I know that Kazia was sick but DAMN! If she saw them getting thin, why not throw food in with them?  I mean c'mon!  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they need food.  I think there is a lot more to this story than people know.  I think all involved are guilty for the death of these beautiful creatures.  If people knew ANYTHING and said nothing until it is too late, that is GUILT.  They will be judged. 


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What these dogs have seen, heard, SMELLED....my god.

My heart is BROKEN for all of them.


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As I said I have not walked in Kazia's shoes.  Jennifer, have you heard all sides of this story?  Have you talked to Gloria?  Clearly Gloria has been a troubled woman for many years as many have said.

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NatalieT,

As a "Christian" you may not be willing to judge Kazia, but you sure were willing to jump on everybody else weren't you??  I know way more about this than I ever cared to know and I feel completely confident in my opinion Kazia.  She is just as criminally culpable as Gloria...perhaps even more so.  She knew what what happening to those dogs, she watched it, allowed it, took pictures of it, talked about it and did absolutely nothing to stop it.  Thankfully she slipped up and told the right person one day.  She also sent a picture of dead Max to that person and they immediately picked up the phone and called Animal Control and this whole thing was put to an end.  Isn't it interesting though that the person who was ultimately responsible for putting the wheels in motion to save these dog is located in Minnesota!!!  Kazia couldn't bring herself to do a freaking thing, except sit by and WATCH the suffering, but Lisa in Minnesota saw one picture and picked up the phone.  Isn't it amazing what a heart and a brain will allow a person to do for the innocent??? 

The people in Gloria's life who knew how her dogs suffered over the years are all scrambling now and trying to cover their asses.  They don't want to be known as people who would allow innocent creatures to suffer.....well guess what?  it's too late.  Their names are out there and the Mastiff community is never going to forget.  If a person is too weak and awful to fight for a hungry, cold, suffering Mastiff who is locked in a cage and can't even forge for food then they have serious problems in my opinion.  I don't even need to judge them.  I just hope they are wearing some stylish, flame retardant clothing when they meet their maker. 

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Eileen, thank you for a lovely, well thought out, balanced post! Awww to be a tall poppy! They all lay in wait...then the story escalates and FICTION is rapidly spread...who cares about facts?!

 Nobody listens to the fact that as Vannessa clearly pointed out, whilst we were in TN, 3 years ago there was NOTHING Gloria did that the authorities could have had for. She fed, watered, attended her dogs, rain, hail or shine.
It was just totally alien to me! I expected much, much more...and fewer breeds and dogs.

 Furthermore, Catie went to breed to Max soon after I returned home and thought things were FINE!

In fact, I bet G's dogs probably looked the best in years! For a short while she was in a good spot as were her greatly reduced in number and breed of dogs! There was a GOOD side to Gloria as well!

Same as it was I, not Crossroad whose nasty, ill-informed post I'll have to get removed who kept on keeping on to see just how Gloria and her dogs were? I am no friend of Kazia, NEVER clapped eyes on the lady, WHY?? would I have to co-ordinate stories, let alone lies! I merely felt terribly sad and concerned and acted as soon as I was led to become aware from AFAR! WHO could have imagined what had transpired? For the record, I have several of G's dogs pics dated  late October looking GOOD!
Besides, all these lovely folk throwing sharp stones WHERE were they for the past 30 or so years?...I was in TN for 3-4 weeks! I really wanted to catch up with a few Mastiff folk at the time! Unfortunately for me, luckily for the dogs, I didn't get my face out of the kennels! That was  NOT the USA hols I have had in the past with my wonderful friend Eve Olsen Fisher and will do hopefully in the near future!

Sorry as to your question...
You got me on Montana's pedigree name??, bred by Rhonda Monshower & Late husband John...Rhonda in due respect is now a friend & she has always had high regard for my dogs, always wanted one but never ended up with one...that was their only litter I think...Prefix??? I honestly, have no idea as it never concerned me. Too late to ring her, I' ll out most of the day...so, please hang in there, I'll have to find it out for you late tomorrow, unless someone on the list may know.
I ended up with Montana's  mother to nurse her back to health ( rather than Rhonda putting her down) and it was a dear friend Ros, on a big farm who actually had her... she died last year at 10 years of age... 

  So Prefix?? *  Montana Who??
 * Her Dam  Aust Ch Kalunga Kara Shadow
 
* Grand-dam  Aust Ch Kalunga Alpine Storm

*  Great grand Dam Aust Ch Hunzeal Nina  put to Ch Hunzeal Kudos Kramer

 her Sire & Grand-sire  BOTH Aust Ch Kalkavalier King Avalon 
His Dam...
Aust Ch Kalkavalier Wind Haven...and Lord Chinky Chunky of Massnoou ( Imp UK)

So as you can see a pure Hunzeal bitch in both name and blood. ...just like the "accurate" stories circulated about me

A pretty Impressive pedigree... NOTHING sinister about it, but I would NOT have done these breedings. Thank you for seeing through the gaffaw! Amasha.

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By Ch Kalcavalier King Avalon - Ch Kalunga Kara Shadow.
Owner: Gloria Davis

Breeder Mr & Mrs J R Monshouwer

MASJON PRINCESS MONTANA.

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I have been following this thread for a few days now.  It amazes me how quickly blame has been shifted from Gloria to Kazia just because Gloria has not had enough guts to take responsibility for killing her dogs.

Shame on all of you for jumping to such quick conclusions when you have absolutely nothing to base those conclusions on.

Until we have been in Kazia's shoes, none of us know how we would have reacted or what we would have done. 

Kazia I'm so sorry you had to live with all this death surrounding you and all you have done is try to do what was right.

To Catie and Crystal thank you for doing what you did. 

Certainly NOT shifted, merely expanded.  Anybody at all who had knowledge of this and DID NOT REPORT IT is equally complicit in the crime.  I don't need to walk in Kazia's shoes because they are covered with the blood of these dead dogs.  Kazia did NOT HAVE TO live with all this death surrounding her.  She had options.


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Thank you Jennifer for putting into words what most of us are feeling.  Couldn't have said it better.  How anyone, who has even a spark of love for animals, see first hand dogs starving and living in such horrible conditions can sit by, and feed themselves, and do nothing.  Our dogs sit and watch tv with us and live the good life, while these precious babies were treated worse than anything imaginable.  Kazia is glad that now she can walk in her yard and not see dead dogs?  Oh Please!  Don't tell us you love these dogs and then act as you have - or shall I say not taken any action.  Sorry everyone for your losses.


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