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Agreed , the natural look is so much better , if not strung up ,
also re perception off collar zone ; here below another pic of ‘Agent Man’
which does more justice to his unmistakable qualities ,
but unfortunately still stacked with hind pads way too far back ;
I presume it’s some handling ‘finishing touch’ quite appropriate
within the ‘regular BIS ring’ breeds as Terriers , Danes , &c ,
but highly disturbing in the ‘angular’ Mastiff breed ,
especially looking through European glasses !




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CH. WARLORDS SECRET AGENT MAN


It must be the camera angle because this dog's top line
was straight  he had a strong rear end  had height and girth
a level bite and he produced in the show ring and threw champions
you can't ask for more than that.
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Certainly an impressive Mastiff, without doubt!

I wouldn't mind them all looking like him, if that were possible, despite a few flaws.

Would like to see him up on his toes a bit more as well.

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Two handlers have put the dog's feet back further than I like, so I guess it was on the owner's wishes. I'm afraid I would ask for the rear pasterns (or metatarsi) to be put back to vertical, and for the collar not to be pulled up so tight. Front feet are not ideal, but that isn't a handling issue in this case.
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I would ask for the rear pasterns (or metatarsi) to be put back to [U]vertical [/B].


Exactly to the point ! I do hope judges become instructed upon such important details re presenting a dog for correct assessment .
The same goes for handlers , perhaps only wishful thinking here .
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Do any of you have any information on the Dahlseide mastiffs?


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Lois Savage was a fine Mastiff fancier & breeder, who although not very prolific, produced some very fine Mastiffs.

Gulf Mills, Greenbranch and Rams gate, were just several kennels that were influenced by her breedings.

She liked brindles and some went back to Falcon of Blacroc. Alexander was one of her better known studs.

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Dahlseide Tudor Rose went back to Shambeau and Trek (my own Mastiff's sire) and Dame Dickens was also a well respected bitch that she bred.
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Odin was another fine Mastiff and influenced Oak Ridge, Peersleigh, Winterwood, etc.


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Among things Tobin Jackson gave me, there is a set of 300+  negatives that I finally printed after 12 years.

This are very rare shots of  Deer Run Florister Rufus and Deer Run Wycliff. 






Deer Run Wycliff at Tobin's office.


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Fine addition to the historical record Miguel!

The following image of Rufus is the one Tobin selected for the Deer Run ad in Dog World Mag.

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" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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 Please could you tell me how I can get hold of a photo of Mr Micawber and Mrs How as I am trying to put together an album of our Buckhall Mastiffs.  Many Thanks. Susie.

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Here above two pics of another past Great American bred Mastiff being ch Old Schools Ursa Major - DR Florister Rufus x ch Makar Hannibal’ daughter Old Schools Trouble - , a splendid large brindle with a genuinely strong head piece ; her maternal grandsire Hannibal (see below right at old age) reminding at his uncle that grand English ch Buckhall Mr Micawber (see below at left) , and if Hannibal , being brother to ch Nanjemoy’ Ka-Reem , ‘should’ (correct if I’m wrong) also be brother to Ursa Major’ paternal grandam ch Nanjemoy’ Etasja , than Ursa Major goes back along both parental sides to ch Kisumu Tiberias (f3/f4) , older brother to that Mr Micawber .

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http://neveryetmelted.com/2007/07/17/mrs-gep-hows-arms-armour-collection/

You may want to contact the London Times, or Bonhams and ask them if they have a photo on file, or where you might obtain one.

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well. Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything"...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Many thanks.
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